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Title: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: adam193 on February 20, 2017, 07:32:04 PM
Bought some vero online, this is different looking than the stuff I've seen. The holes seem to be discrete and not connected, can I build with these? Should I get something else? (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170221/be3c1fb27c8e91427f3781d44ff04ab5.jpg)


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Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: jkokura on February 20, 2017, 07:44:39 PM
That's pad per hole board, not vero.

Jacob
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: alanp on February 20, 2017, 10:17:20 PM
Also known as "perfboard" -- Jon Patton's layouts largely use this, as does a lot of the Run Off Groove stuff.
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: somnif on February 21, 2017, 12:39:10 AM
Plenty of stuff can be made with perfboard, even vero layouts if you're willing to make all the connections. Just be careful, it can be a little more prone to pad lifting (may just be my experience with cheap materials, but worth being careful either way)

This is what the usual vero stuff looks like. Also known as Stripboard:

http://www.taydaelectronics.com/hardware/prototyping-boards/small-stripboard-94x53mm-copper.html
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: midwayfair on February 21, 2017, 07:40:46 AM
Also known as "perfboard" -- Jon Patton's layouts largely use this, as does a lot of the Run Off Groove stuff.

There are dozens of us! Dozens!
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: sturgeo on February 21, 2017, 07:47:45 AM
Storyboardist, a member here, has an incredible blogsite with more layouts than you can shake a stick at.
http://effectslayouts.blogspot.co.uk/
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: adam193 on February 21, 2017, 04:41:28 PM
Plenty of stuff can be made with perfboard, even vero layouts if you're willing to make all the connections.


Whats the best way to make the connections? wire? solder? unicorn tears?
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: mjg on February 21, 2017, 09:42:37 PM
I tend to make connections with perf board by just bending the leg of a convenient resistor or capacitor as you go. Rarely you may need to add a bit of spare wire.  Keep a few spare legs that you chop off.

If you are going to try unicorn tears, make sure it's the metric ones, the imperial ones are slightly the wrong size for the hole spacing.
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: DPTX on February 23, 2017, 07:36:53 AM
That stuff is usable.  I have built dozens of pedals and even a few prototype amps with perfboard. 
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: Netnnk on February 27, 2017, 03:49:50 PM
Storyboardist, a member here, has an incredible blogsite with more layouts than you can shake a stick at.
http://effectslayouts.blogspot.co.uk/

Exactly, I've been using more and more off his site. They are great. Start with a boost, or something simple like that. I'm alternating my builds with this and stripboard.
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: adam193 on March 04, 2017, 05:49:53 AM
Storyboardist, a member here, has an incredible blogsite with more layouts than you can shake a stick at.
http://effectslayouts.blogspot.co.uk/

Exactly, I've been using more and more off his site. They are great. Start with a boost, or something simple like that. I'm alternating my builds with this and stripboard.

So when I'm building from these layouts, do I just make all the dark black line connections with solder? Sorry if that's a silly question....
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: bluescage on March 04, 2017, 09:08:08 AM
As mjg pointed out, you can use the leads of resistors and capacitors to make connections between the different points, maybe sometimes you need a piece of wire. And BTW: there are no silly questions. It's silly when you don't ask!
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: BrianS on March 04, 2017, 09:15:31 AM
Not built anything on perf and had the same question.  It always helps if I have a picture. Runoffgroove.com has some projects that show the bottom side of a completed board.  Here's one:

http://www.runoffgroove.com/tubereamer.html

Hope this helps you out.
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: mjg on March 04, 2017, 08:27:47 PM
Yep, just connect the black lines. Occasionally there will also be a ground connection to a pot that isn't on the layout, so watch out for that. It might be mentioned in a note instead.

Here's a few projects that I've built using this method - there are photos showing the under side of the boards. The connections are done with the legs of resistors usually, as that's what I'll be soldering on first.

http://graybloomfield.com/guitar/2016/05/14/tri-vibe/

http://graybloomfield.com/guitar/2016/09/04/ducky-von-quackenstein/

http://graybloomfield.com/guitar/2016/07/03/the-fett/
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: storyboardist on March 05, 2017, 10:12:23 PM
There are dozens of us! Dozens!

Hahaha!

Storyboardist, a member here, has an incredible blogsite with more layouts than you can shake a stick at.
http://effectslayouts.blogspot.co.uk/

Exactly, I've been using more and more off his site. They are great.

Thanks guys!

So when I'm building from these layouts, do I just make all the dark black line connections with solder?

As a couple people have said already, bend the leads of resistors and caps as you go to form the traces. I start by populating flat components (resistors and any diodes) and generally that forms ~80% of the traces. Then do caps and there shouldn't be much lead bending left to do. Typically I have to use a bit of component cutoff to finish the ground trace, but it's not too bad. I've been working on a perf tutorial video that I would post here if it were done... Need to get my butt in gear. Anyway, hope that helps and good luck!
Title: Re: 1st vero purchase, looks off..
Post by: storyboardist on April 15, 2017, 08:28:37 AM
Finally got my butt in gear and the tutorial finished. Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aDx46PMaU