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Title: JHS switch
Post by: helos on August 30, 2017, 01:42:29 AM
Hello guys,
do you know why JHS uses a 3pdt switch in many drive pedals (like the moonshine, charlie brown, morning glory...) wired as a millenium bypass?
Is there any reason for that?
Does the millennium bypass reduces the "pop" noise?
 :o :o
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: jimilee on August 30, 2017, 09:07:12 AM
I would assume it's because they saw other people doing it too.


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Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: gtr2 on August 30, 2017, 12:28:31 PM
To eliminate pop noise from the LED turning on.
Quality 3PDTs are cheaper than good DPDT footswitches.
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: selfdestroyer on August 30, 2017, 01:12:57 PM
I would assume it's because they saw other people doing it too.


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BOOM! shots fired. LOL
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: helos on August 30, 2017, 02:32:35 PM
I would assume it's because they saw other people doing it too.


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BOOM! shots fired. LOL

 ;D ;D  LOL

Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: culturejam on August 30, 2017, 02:36:07 PM
BOOM! shots fired. LOL

Yeah, but it's shots fired at an armored car as it picks up mad stacks of cheddah. JHS doesn't give a shit anymore because he's got "F-You" money.
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: jimilee on August 30, 2017, 02:50:54 PM
BOOM! shots fired. LOL

Yeah, but it's shots fired at an armored car as it picks up mad stacks of cheddah. JHS doesn't give a shit anymore because he's got "F-You" money.
True story


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Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: helos on August 30, 2017, 02:58:35 PM
To eliminate pop noise from the LED turning on.
Quality 3PDTs are cheaper than good DPDT footswitches.

Ok, but... why using the Millenium Bypass?
If the pop noise is due to the LED turning on, why there aren't more Millennium Bypass in pedals (like wampler...)?
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: selfdestroyer on August 30, 2017, 03:03:41 PM
I'm thinking its goes with the "Many ways to skin a cat" term.

Millennium bypass used to be really popular when 3PDT blues were $8-$10 a piece.
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: helos on August 30, 2017, 03:05:33 PM
I would assume it's because they saw other people doing it too.


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 ::) All joking aside, I think it's really true: altough it's unusual to see a Millennium Bypass with a 3pdt, they can also use the third set of pins (left unused on the 3pdt) to ground the input... But they don't. Why?

Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: helos on August 30, 2017, 03:08:38 PM
I'm thinking its goes with the "Many ways to skin a cat" term.

Millennium bypass used to be really popular when 3PDT blues were $8-$10 a piece.

Indeed... that's the reason why using a 3pdt wired as a Millennium Bypass seems like a non sense to me... unless the Millennium Bypass has some "special feature" worth of preferring it over other wiring schemes...
But if so, why don't we see many more Millennium Bypass around?
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: jubal81 on August 30, 2017, 03:15:36 PM
Maybe marketing? Another factor might be that 'boutique' pedal buyers want to see the 3PDT so they know it's 'true bypass.'
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: electrosonic on August 30, 2017, 04:01:45 PM
Maybe because the Millenium bypass turns on rather slowly so it might be less likely to produce a pop.

Just a guess.

Andrew.
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: somnif on August 30, 2017, 04:35:57 PM
Maybe they just had 3pdt's on hand. Hell, wouldn't surprise me if they were cheaper than dpdt's now.

And they just didn't feel like reworking the circuit
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: madbean on August 30, 2017, 05:02:59 PM
But if so, why don't we see many more Millennium Bypass around?

I guess because many pedal makers use soft touch bypass now. And switch pop is more frequently rooted in input and output bypassing.
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: jimilee on August 30, 2017, 06:05:12 PM
Sorry for the hijack. Which set is the third set?


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Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: helos on August 30, 2017, 11:33:15 PM
Sorry for the hijack. Which set is the third set?


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I meant the third column of pins on the 3pdt, left unused if the switch is wired as Millennium Bypass
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: mrclean77 on September 01, 2017, 05:28:25 AM
Another factor might be that 'boutique' pedal buyers want to see the 3PDT so they know it's 'true bypass.'

I really don't want to believe this is true, but I kinda think it is.  :'(

And I mean I'd like to think the pedal buying world is more informed than that - I really don't give a crap what JHS does.
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: madbean on September 01, 2017, 05:56:45 AM
Bypass is over-rated anyway. Just leave all the pedals on all the time I say.
Title: Re: JHS switch
Post by: helos on September 01, 2017, 06:44:45 AM
Bypass is over-rated anyway. Just leave all the pedals on all the time I say.

 8) 8)