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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: Willybomb on July 12, 2018, 06:12:35 AM

Title: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: Willybomb on July 12, 2018, 06:12:35 AM
Top mounted jacks are something I struggle with normally.  Too close to the corners, not far enough away from the pots, all the usual things.

This time though, I drilled out the face of the pedal, and flipped it up to drill the jacks, and then realised I'd drilled the wrong end after doing both holes.

I'd like to say that I hadn't put the label on yet, but that isn't an excuse as the template had the graphic on it too.  FB has suggested LEDs in the holes, but I'm leaning towards plugs if I can find them...
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: dan.schumaker on July 12, 2018, 06:17:12 AM
I've definitely been there before (more than once).  Its the worst, a waste of a perfectly good box.  The worst time is when you are on your last box of that size and have to wait to fix your mistake....
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: sonnyboy27 on July 12, 2018, 06:23:46 AM
Any chance you could get some soft switching modules to save some space and keep using the box? I can't remember if the momentary stomp switches are shorter or not.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: EBK on July 12, 2018, 06:34:33 AM
I've used JB Weld to fill in misdrills and also to redrill an old enclosure for recycling into a new pedal.  It works pretty well.  An example:
Before repainting (I did add a bit more JB Weld to fill in some divots after I took this pic).
(http://i.imgur.com/3P90Gzkl.jpg)

Redrilled and repainted (technically, I'm still painting this one).
(http://i.imgur.com/Y4SyZf9l.jpg)
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: jimilee on July 12, 2018, 06:56:47 AM
I've used a little electrical tape on the inside and enviro to fill the holes.  Works out ok. LEDs sound cool too.


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Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: BuGG on July 12, 2018, 07:17:29 AM
I have a couple of these left if you want one.     

You just drop it on the edge of the enclosure and mark the holes, sets them right where they need to be.    ;)

(http://pedalpcb.com/images/DG1.jpg)

(http://pedalpcb.com/images/DG2.jpg)
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: dan.schumaker on July 12, 2018, 07:33:44 AM
Quote from: BuGG on July 12, 2018, 07:17:29 AM
I have a couple of these left if you want one.     

You just drop it on the edge of the enclosure and mark the holes, sets them right where they need to be.    ;)

(http://pedalpcb.com/images/DG1.jpg)

(http://pedalpcb.com/images/DG2.jpg)

That is awesome!  Super clever to make that up.  I need one of those!
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: davent on July 12, 2018, 09:28:11 AM
Nylon hole plugs, black, low profile, are sold by Mouser, a couple different manufacturers and a wide selection of diameters. They look good, like they're meant to be there.

https://www.mouser.ca/ProductDetail/Keystone-Electronics/8600?qs=sGAEpiMZZMsQtlBhqKq43aMDmho0KU6S

dave
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: jimilee on July 12, 2018, 11:31:27 AM
I need one of those


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Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: Hirti on July 12, 2018, 11:56:15 AM
Quote from: BuGG on July 12, 2018, 07:17:29 AM
I have a couple of these left if you want one.     

You just drop it on the edge of the enclosure and mark the holes, sets them right where they need to be.    ;)

(http://pedalpcb.com/images/DG1.jpg)

(http://pedalpcb.com/images/DG2.jpg)
I need this!  ;D
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: Adam_DIY on July 12, 2018, 12:13:48 PM
(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/005/574/takemymoney.jpg)
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: gordo on July 12, 2018, 06:53:15 PM
Damn, just put those up on the site and they'll fly of the shelves...ummm...baker's racks...
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: brucer on July 12, 2018, 09:38:46 PM
Quote from: gordo on July 12, 2018, 06:53:15 PM
Damn, just put those up on the site and they'll fly of the shelves...ummm...baker's racks...

umm, yeah ... I could use one for sure.   Might save some enclosures.  Half of my 125B builds either have DC jacks colliding with PCBs or TR jacks colliding with lip on the back cover   :-[
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: krisk on July 13, 2018, 06:53:51 AM
Quote from: gordo on July 12, 2018, 06:53:15 PM
Damn, just put those up on the site and they'll fly of the shelves...ummm...baker's racks...
I know I'd get one with my next order!
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: m-Kresol on July 13, 2018, 07:12:45 AM
I would greatly appreciate it, if you could share a template for this! I imagine, ordering this from oshpark will be very cheap and easy..
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: culturejam on July 13, 2018, 09:35:28 AM
Yet another very awesome thing that makes me say: "Why didn't *I* think of that?"
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: zombie_rock123 on July 13, 2018, 01:57:56 PM
Thats awesome and would definitely pick one up in your store
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: selfdestroyer on July 13, 2018, 06:24:30 PM
Super awesome. I love a good jig to make thing easier. This is fantastically simple.

Cody
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: alanp on July 13, 2018, 06:56:07 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on July 13, 2018, 07:12:45 AM
I would greatly appreciate it, if you could share a template for this! I imagine, ordering this from oshpark will be very cheap and easy..

The mouse nibbles on the edge of OSHPark PCBs might screw with the registration of the template on the enclosure edges, though.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: BuGG on July 14, 2018, 05:38:49 AM
Quote from: alanp on July 13, 2018, 06:56:07 PM
The mouse nibbles on the edge of OSHPark PCBs might screw with the registration of the template on the enclosure edges, though.

Yep.  To prevent this from being a problem these are built from three individual non-panelized PCBs.   It costs a bit more to do it this way but it gives each part a much nicer edge.

I didn't expect so many folks to be interested, let me see how many I have left and I'll get some more on the way if needed.   

Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: Willybomb on July 14, 2018, 07:32:28 AM
I'll definitely be getting one from you BuGG.  Unfortunately, it just means that I'll have perfectly aligned holes at the wrong end.

Update:  I cut up my spare label and filled the holes with PVA...
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: lars on July 14, 2018, 08:52:52 AM
Quote from: EBK on July 12, 2018, 06:34:33 AM
I've used JB Weld to fill in misdrills and also to redrill an old enclosure for recycling into a new pedal.  It works pretty well.  An example:
Before repainting (I did add a bit more JB Weld to fill in some divots after I took this pic).
(http://i.imgur.com/3P90Gzkl.jpg)
+1 on this. I've used this same method and it definitely works. I haven't had any problems with the JB weld "plug" cracking or falling out. It seems to be nearly as tough as the original aluminum.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: culturejam on July 14, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: lars on July 14, 2018, 08:52:52 AM
+1 on this. I've used this same method and it definitely works. I haven't had any problems with the JB weld "plug" cracking or falling out. It seems to be nearly as tough as the original aluminum.

What do you guys use on the back side to hold the JB Weld in place while it dries? Tape?
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: EBK on July 14, 2018, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: culturejam on July 14, 2018, 10:31:22 AM
Quote from: lars on July 14, 2018, 08:52:52 AM
+1 on this. I've used this same method and it definitely works. I haven't had any problems with the JB weld "plug" cracking or falling out. It seems to be nearly as tough as the original aluminum.

What do you guys use on the back side to hold the JB Weld in place while it dries? Tape?
Gaffer's tape is what I used.  Also, I don't remember if I got this tip here or over at DIYSB, but slightly beveling the hole that you are about to plug on both sides (as if you are slightly countersinking) may give your JB Weld "coin" a bit more security.  I wouldn't call it a necessary step though. 
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: culturejam on July 14, 2018, 10:53:16 AM
^^ Ah, thanks!
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on July 14, 2018, 02:32:20 PM
Just as with any other template, it is made for a specific thing. My question is what if there are components or other items that interfered with the jacks or power plug? It's all well and good for guts that have plenty of clearance but, what if that is not the case? Essentially, every design would have to be produced with that template in mind.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: culturejam on July 14, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on July 14, 2018, 02:32:20 PM
Just as with any other template, it is made for a specific thing. My question is what if there are components or other items that interfered with the jacks or power plug? It's all well and good for guts that have plenty of clearance but, what if that is not the case? Essentially, every design would have to be produced with that template in mind.

Yep, and that's why standardizing around a single set of hardware placements saves a ton of time and money in a production environment. 
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on July 14, 2018, 05:13:46 PM
Quote from: culturejam on July 14, 2018, 05:11:09 PM
Yep, and that's why standardizing around a single set of hardware placements saves a ton of time and money in a production environment.

Gotcha. So this would only be viable for those who are comercial builders then. Now I understand.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: culturejam on July 14, 2018, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on July 14, 2018, 05:13:46 PM
Gotcha. So this would only be viable for those who are comercial builders then. Now I understand.

I think hobbyists would get some use out of it, but it does sort of limit your options. If you like to build each pedal with a totally unique setup, templates are probably not ideal.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: Willybomb on July 15, 2018, 02:09:23 AM
If it fits into your design parameters, it'll be a massive timesaver.

In all honesty, most of my pedals use the same template as far as in/out/power goes, with variation depending on what controls are necessary.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: gordo on July 15, 2018, 12:54:04 PM
In this case if you're doing Bugg layouts its a no-brainer because he's settled on a repeatable 125B pattern so it covers the bulk of his builds.  I suspect it would also apply to the new Aion stuff as well.  I've never been a big 125 fan but have to admit, it lowers the stress level stuffing the enclosure and it's kinda cool having a consistent footprint on my board.

When I was still making Blue Dogs I had a lexan template that just draped over the 1590BB and you could just scribble sharpie marks on an enclosure when we got them back from the printer but I've been too lazy to duplicate the setup for my own stuff.
Title: Re: Top mounted jacks.... one day, I'll get it right.
Post by: BuGG on July 18, 2018, 04:30:14 PM
Okay, I put a few of the templates up on the site.      Probably bad form to link it here, if you don't know where to find them shoot me a PM.