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Title: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on February 13, 2012, 01:36:25 PM
This is the official Baby Board / 1590A smack down project announcement goo. I've just updated the projects page with the intended roster. Things might get added or taken away, depending, but it will give everyone a good idea of what's going on: http://www.madbeanpedals.com/projects/index.html

To get people excited, I've uploaded complete documentation for Cave Dweller ver. 1 and 2 WITH PCB artwork for any etchers that want to get started at home right away. The actual PCBs will be available in the next batch of fabbed boards which I hope to have right at the end of this month.

Anyway, I think this is going to turn out to be a great set of projects for everyone, so I hope to see some really cool looking baby builds here in the next few months :)

Whee!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: juansolo on February 13, 2012, 01:57:11 PM
I'll take one of each.... So looking forward to these!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: BRGPollen on February 13, 2012, 02:25:21 PM
Sooooooo excited!
 ::) :o ;D 8)
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Ettore_M on February 13, 2012, 02:28:07 PM
Grab your soldering irons and get ready for 1590A adventures!  ;D
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: saxoftenest on February 13, 2012, 02:33:11 PM
Awesome. Totally awesome.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: thetrend77 on February 13, 2012, 03:03:52 PM
Can't wait for the chorus, delay, and comp!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Ice-o on February 13, 2012, 03:18:31 PM
Well, there goes all of my spare time and spare money this spring.
And gleefully so.
Could we twist you arm a little for a list of what each of these these baby boards are inspired by/based on?
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: cjkbug on February 13, 2012, 04:35:28 PM
etched up and ready for population! ;D
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jolly1423 on February 13, 2012, 04:41:04 PM
Do the two grounds on the cave dweller just both get run to the 3pdt? Can't wait!!!!! Gonna be cleaning out my 'pedal savings' :P
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: djaaz on February 13, 2012, 04:42:35 PM
Faster than me.
But i had to go out and buy a drilling workbench for my dremel and a drilling bit.

My first etch yesterday was for a sabertooth, i'm gonna use the same etchant for this one.

On my way to a disaster!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: eldanko on February 13, 2012, 05:55:21 PM
my oh my

I have an ostentatiously large spare enclosure lying around is about to become a huge multi fx unit comprised of these things.  I. Can't. Wait.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on February 13, 2012, 05:56:15 PM
Do the two grounds on the cave dweller just both get run to the 3pdt? Can't wait!!!!! Gonna be cleaning out my 'pedal savings' :P

You can run one ground to the switch and then the other with the 9v wire to the DC jack. It's cleaner that way.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jolly1423 on February 13, 2012, 08:38:34 PM
Gotcha. Thanks. I'm still a little new to this. Your projects have been an awesome learning tool though. I've only build a couple so far but even just looking through them causes me to keep researching and pushing my know-how. I'm waiting for the next batch and I'll be ordering a bunch!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: nzCdog on February 13, 2012, 09:40:51 PM
Yowsah!  A whole tribe of babies!  Fantastic work Brian, can't wait to see those projects! 8)
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: sgmezei on February 13, 2012, 10:59:33 PM
Stoked!!!! I can't wait. I shall build them ALLLLL. 
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Om_Audio on February 14, 2012, 12:43:26 AM
"Tigerlilly - Some kind of thing that does something" ---> has my name written all over it.
 ;D
Clifford
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: mattc on February 14, 2012, 08:13:26 AM
I'm thinking that a distortion, delay, chorus and flange in one "grab and go" box would be a perfect use for these baby boards  ;D
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jcuempire on February 14, 2012, 08:29:42 AM
I have never attempted a 1590A build.  It frankly scares the bejesus out of me.  Live where you fear to live, right?  It might be fun.  The smoothie and the pork rind sound interesting.  And the tigerlilly of course.  I need some kind of thing that does something.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: bigmufffuzzwizz on February 14, 2012, 10:10:08 AM
Wonderful!!! The documentations are getting even more packed with info!! This is exciting news!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jkokura on February 14, 2012, 10:19:32 AM
Building in 1590As, with a little patience, is quite easy actually. I recommend you buy two enclosures, one painted if you get them that way, and one not. Use the one that isn't as your practice one and learn about the tolerances you have in drilling. Then make your masterpiece.

The only problem I have with 1590A circuits is that I can't/dont use them. The enclosures are too small for me to really feasibly use in a pedalboard! I find that once you add the width of the jacks coming out the sides, you're not too far from a 125B then, and because I do top mounted jacks on those, I'm getting about the same square footage with more room for controls and things like Batteries if I need them.

That said, it's just me like that. MANY people love and use 1590A pedals, I just don't. 1590A's are really handy for things like tap tempo boxes, buffers, and splitters.

Jacob
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jcuempire on February 14, 2012, 10:28:03 AM
That said, it's just me like that. MANY people love and use 1590A pedals, I just don't. 1590A's are really handy for things like tap tempo boxes, buffers, and splitters.

So I could, conceivably, use my favorite 125B and not be subject to public derision (or varying degrees of it) because I really don't need the real estate savings.  I only use a couple of effects at a time - I do better with fewer choices. 

Thanks, Jacob
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on February 14, 2012, 10:41:48 AM
Part of the idea here is not just 1590As (as Jacob points out they aren't for everyone) but also the ability to build a little custom multifx box. You could throw three in a 1590BB for an easy grab and go jam, or whatever. But yeah, use em to whatever suits your needs best, I say!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: saxoftenest on February 14, 2012, 10:51:38 AM
the ability to build a little custom multifx box. You could throw three in a 1590BB for an easy grab and go jam, or whatever.

^This is what I'm really stoked for.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jkokura on February 14, 2012, 10:53:49 AM
Part of the idea here is not just 1590As (as Jacob points out they aren't for everyone) but also the ability to build a little custom multifx box. You could throw three in a 1590BB for an easy grab and go jam, or whatever. But yeah, use em to whatever suits your needs best, I say!

I can see three of four of these in a box being really cool actually.

Another think you could do with all these little guys is to build a massive multi effects box too, especially if you had a friend who could make you a custom enclosure. Something like those old school Cornish boards.

Jacob
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jcuempire on February 14, 2012, 11:54:59 AM
You could throw three in a 1590BB for an easy grab and go jam, or whatever. But yeah, use em to whatever suits your needs best, I say!

Ah, yea, I see that.  That's a cool idea.  It's just crazy enough to work.  Thanks
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: bigmufffuzzwizz on February 14, 2012, 12:03:13 PM
A multifx box would be rad especially considering these are gonna sound soo good on their own. Fuzz->Phaser->Delay or Fuzz->Octave->Vibe or Boost->Compressor->Envelope Filter...Oh man this is gonna be great...

I've been using the flat pancake jacks from Tayda, and they really save a lot of space. I'm able to have pedals so close together now, something that was frustrating me before. With those and side mounted jacks I would think you could fit 8 of these on a small pedal board, but why not do a few 1590bb boxes right?  :)
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jolly1423 on February 14, 2012, 02:16:52 PM
Makes me think of Pokemon. 'Gotta catch 'em all!'
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Om_Audio on February 14, 2012, 02:33:51 PM
Anyone have schem or post that explains how you would add switches or such to rearrange the order of the effects in a multi-fx setup with small boards like these?
C
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on February 14, 2012, 02:58:31 PM
Anyone have schem or post that explains how you would add switches or such to rearrange the order of the effects in a multi-fx setup with small boards like these?
C

There are a bunch of switching schemes like this out there. Check geofex and DIYSB.

Another idea that got kicked around a while back was coming up with a scheme to do all the I/O and power stuff via a DIN type connecter. So, you could have a an X-stage true bypass looper and each one has a single cable out that does all the I/O stuff. You could easily re-arrange the order of pedals physically or come up with a switching scheme based around that. You would basically "phantom power" each pedal by keeping the DC supply in the looper, too, so rather than sending lots of little DC wires out you have only one power connection to the main hub.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Myramyd on February 14, 2012, 03:02:28 PM

There are a bunch of switching schemes like this out there. Check geofex and DIYSB.

Another idea that got kicked around a while back was coming up with a scheme to do all the I/O and power stuff via a DIN type connecter. So, you could have a an X-stage true bypass looper and each one has a single cable out that does all the I/O stuff. You could easily re-arrange the order of pedals physically or come up with a switching scheme based around that. You would basically "phantom power" each pedal by keeping the DC supply in the looper, too, so rather than sending lots of little DC wires out you have only one power connection to the main hub.

^ This sounds like a genius idea. What about noise? Any risk of that with the mix of power and signal in the same cable?

J
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Om_Audio on February 14, 2012, 03:10:12 PM
Ya Brian sounds like a good idea. I know w audio cable they say to try and cross them (on stage etc.) at 90 degrees if they have to cross- maybe in such smaller scale it is not an issue.
C
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: djaaz on February 14, 2012, 03:49:26 PM
Part of the idea here is not just 1590As (as Jacob points out they aren't for everyone) but also the ability to build a little custom multifx box. You could throw three in a 1590BB for an easy grab and go jam, or whatever. But yeah, use em to whatever suits your needs best, I say!

Yes, that's what is the most interesting about them size.
I was thinking of using a single footswitches but use somehow "switched" pots just like in the good old day.

In that spirit, it could be easy to add some "buit'in" modulation to a standard sized pedal. For instance add a chorus to the lowrider.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: azrael on February 14, 2012, 04:12:09 PM
i am excite for the new stuff.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: DutchMF on February 15, 2012, 11:37:48 AM

In that spirit, it could be easy to add some "buit'in" modulation to a standard sized pedal. For instance add a chorus to the lowrider.


Now that is freakin' good idea! I was still wondering if I could get my clumsy hands and size 12 feet around those Baby Boards, but fitting them in a large enclosure with an extra footswitch might work. I could also use standard size components (1/4 watt resistors & normal caps) which I have already....... Options, options!
To much fun ideas and to little time/funds, damn!

Paul
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: aziltz on February 15, 2012, 11:49:43 AM
will any of these baby boards have board mount pots?
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on February 15, 2012, 12:16:18 PM
will any of these baby boards have board mount pots?

Nope.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: djaaz on February 15, 2012, 05:12:12 PM
[ but fitting them in a large enclosure with an extra footswitch might work. I could also use standard size components (1/4 watt resistors & normal caps) which I have already....... Options, options!
To much fun ideas and to little time/funds, damn!

Paul

I was thinking about something like a push/push pot:

http://www2.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Lorlin/MDSP5832/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvmogu7fABzFuadJy78X803

or like this:

(http://www.custom360skates.co.uk/ekmps/shops/guitarthings/images/1222346106_wd500pushus_w450_h400.jpg)

Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: lloyd17 on February 15, 2012, 10:07:49 PM
wonder if I can cram a fuzz face, p45 and urchin into a landscape 1590bb. definitely going to try!
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: gtr2 on February 16, 2012, 06:29:45 AM
I've got a 1590DD set aside for a multi fx grab and go  ;)

I'm with Jacob on the pedalboard usability.  I like stuffing things into a 1590A because it's a fun challenge but I find the enclosure harder to step on because it's not as stable because of the lack of Velco surface area.  But...it would be fun to have an all mini board anyways.  Especially with the new mini polytuner TC electronic came out with.  That would look so cool.

Josh
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on February 16, 2012, 07:18:39 AM
lloyd - yes, I think that would fit.

Josh- I will be writing a general build guide specifically for the baby boards that shows exactly what hardware to use and how to lay it out in the 1590A for the easiest assembly. With a drill template and following the guide, I think it will make them as easy to build as any other type of enclosure (so I says).
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: gtr2 on February 16, 2012, 08:22:31 AM
That's cool.  That will be really helpful with the "tight squeeze"!

I just have a hard time stepping on those little guys.  ;D
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on February 16, 2012, 08:39:41 AM
That's cool.  That will be really helpful with the "tight squeeze"!

I just have a hard time stepping on those little guys.  ;D

Next project: Stompie 2000: The Pedal Stomping Robot Assistant.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: gtr2 on February 16, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
I'm in  ;)
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: jtn191 on February 16, 2012, 11:58:46 AM
I will be writing a general build guide specifically for the baby boards that shows exactly what hardware to use and how to lay it out in the 1590A for the easiest assembly. With a drill template and following the guide, I think it will make them as easy to build as any other type of enclosure (so I says).

that's really cool. sometime's even in a 1590B I have poor planing and barely scrape past a DC jack. And 1590as are so much riskier
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Willybomb on February 16, 2012, 03:37:45 PM
For me the enclosure size is about ergonomics - I don't want to be standing on multiple footswitches or hitting knobs when trying to turn a pedal on/off.  Even if I try these baby boards, I'd probably be putting it in a 1590B or something similar as a minimum.  Even the Crankosaurus I have to finish is going in a BB.

After all that though, a multi sounds like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: BRGPollen on February 17, 2012, 02:29:11 AM
     I'm thinking up an idea that would have the 1590a's with no footswitch (ie always on) and a nice massive true bypass loop switcher.  I'm thinking it will still be pretty small and have ultimate rerouteing flexibility.  One drawback is that I would still be turning on each effect at a time instead of combinations. Believe me, I would love to have one of the GIG RIG boards to do all of the switching.  Money being what it is though, it's a little cost prohibitive.  I did see a switcher schem and doc at GGG using 8 sends and returns corresponding to dip switches and relays.  That's WAAAAAY over my head for now though!

     I'm still excited as hell though for these wee ones!!

"B"
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: cjkbug on February 18, 2012, 03:45:44 AM
     I'm thinking up an idea that would have the 1590a's with no footswitch (ie always on) and a nice massive true bypass loop switcher.  I'm thinking it will still be pretty small and have ultimate rerouteing flexibility.  One drawback is that I would still be turning on each effect at a time instead of combinations. Believe me, I would love to have one of the GIG RIG boards to do all of the switching.  Money being what it is though, it's a little cost prohibitive.  I did see a switcher schem and doc at GGG using 8 sends and returns corresponding to dip switches and relays.  That's WAAAAAY over my head for now though!

     I'm still excited as hell though for these wee ones!!

"B"
check this out. it's a much cheaper alternative.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220882453245?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_3880wt_1054 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/220882453245?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_3880wt_1054)
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: BRGPollen on February 18, 2012, 11:31:25 PM
CJKbug,
     WOW!!!  Totally not on my radar until today.  It smells too good to be true.  Cheaper than even the Carl Martin octo switch!!   Midi would make it awesome though (as I dream of buying my Strymon Timeline)!  I'm definitely hanging on to this when Brian releases all of the baby boards!!

     "B"
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: neiloler on February 19, 2012, 11:34:10 PM
I'd love some of these little baby builds and one of these guys controlling it all:

http://moenfx.com/gec9.html (http://moenfx.com/gec9.html)
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: ToasterMe on February 24, 2012, 12:26:52 PM
Am I the only person tempted to throw a mini-delay board into a Current Lover to have the option of Thru-Zero Flanging?
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Scruffie on March 01, 2012, 05:54:44 AM
Am I the only person tempted to throw a mini-delay board into a Current Lover to have the option of Thru-Zero Flanging?
If you mean one of these PT2399 baby boards it wont work, the TZF line needs to be incredibly short, at max 10mS probably 1mS or less would be better and a PT2399 will only get as short as around 30-50ms at best.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: culturejam on March 01, 2012, 08:27:40 AM
I still wanna know who "babby" is.  ;D
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: thetrend77 on March 01, 2012, 08:57:29 AM
I still wanna know who "babby" is.  ;D

+1 lol
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on March 01, 2012, 09:31:38 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/how-is-babby-formed
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: culturejam on March 01, 2012, 10:01:05 AM
Awesome!

I figured it wasn't just a speeeeellling mistake.  ;D
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: madbean on March 01, 2012, 10:30:59 AM
The internet is awesome.
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: Haberdasher on March 01, 2012, 12:52:15 PM
haha I was wondering what the babby thing was.  that was hilarious, especially how the 2nd caveman pushed the other out of the way to go off on his tangent.  I'll be thinking about that all day now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ll-lia-FEIY
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: culturejam on March 01, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
Aww man. I'm cracking up listening to that.  ;D
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: claytushaywood on March 16, 2012, 12:37:25 PM
     I'm thinking up an idea that would have the 1590a's with no footswitch (ie always on) and a nice massive true bypass loop switcher.  I'm thinking it will still be pretty small and have ultimate rerouteing flexibility.  One drawback is that I would still be turning on each effect at a time instead of combinations. Believe me, I would love to have one of the GIG RIG boards to do all of the switching.  Money being what it is though, it's a little cost prohibitive.  I did see a switcher schem and doc at GGG using 8 sends and returns corresponding to dip switches and relays.  That's WAAAAAY over my head for now though!

     I'm still excited as hell though for these wee ones!!

"B"
check this out. it's a much cheaper alternative.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/220882453245?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_3880wt_1054 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/220882453245?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649#ht_3880wt_1054)

Do you own that loop switcher?  the page is, how do you say, poorly marketed... ha you think if you could build this thing and sell it for $170 youd be smart enough to scan the printed instruction manual straight (why scan who knows) or use black and white instead of green on yellow... that worries me
Title: Re: How is babby formed?
Post by: pietro_moog on March 16, 2012, 06:43:54 PM
a 1590a noise reduction pedal would be nice