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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2019, 03:03:25 PM »
Would like to see your take on the NT.  Great amp.

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2019, 03:04:11 PM »
The problem with ODs is that they really are usually the most common and most abundant thing out there. Everyone and their uncle's uncle has a tubescreamer design, etc. Between Aion and Bugg there are a ton of "underrepresented" designs available too.

So, if you want to be unique, you may have to get weird with it. Or at least rare with it, so to speak.

Amp-in-a-box designs are always fun, though you may want to look at things other than the usual Vox/Marshall/Fender crowd. Sunn, Mesa, Dumble, aim for "Distinctive but under represented" (Granted this also could lead to "under selling")

Could also look at oddness or quirky. CMOS drivers, modulation, shove an envelope follower up its butt, something new and different. Gotta stand out some how, if you can. The Clari(not) has just about the simplest implementation of an envelope follower possible, and I've experimented with putting it all sorts of places it ought not be.... usually for good reason, its not exactly subtle.

Oh and yeah, we've reached an era where smd pads for JFETs is the way to go, unfortunately or not.

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2019, 03:15:03 PM »
I'd love to see a multi gain stage od (like a reduced gain version of the Friedman pedals) with a unique tone stack (3 band gyrator or baxandall). A cab sim would also be sweet as an add on for pedals like that.

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2019, 05:45:05 PM »
I appreciate that OD designs are often what get people into pedal building.

I also appreciate the urge to reach out and keep pushing.
This might be more in the fuzz/distortion category, but I definitely like designs that use unusual parts. Anchovie's Noise Ensemble is a good example. No one expected a dirt/fuzz/mod pedal out of a PT2399.
I like set it and forget it, but I also really like pedals that use a momentary switch to punch in a different setting. Touch pads, external LDRs and other shenanigans are also welcome.
How this applies to ye olde dirt pedal is something I would have to give more thought to though.

As someone else mentioned, a blend control is also a welcome addition.

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2019, 07:29:18 PM »
The Ibanez CR-5 Crunchy Rhythm. The schematic:  https://www.dirk-hendrik.com/ibanez_cr5.png
As far as I can tell, nobody has made a pcb for this, and it's one of the most underrated overdrive pedals ever made. It's not another Tube Screamer, Klon, DOD 250; so that in itself is a breath of fresh air.
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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2019, 08:43:06 PM »
The Ibanez CR-5 Crunchy Rhythm. The schematic:  https://www.dirk-hendrik.com/ibanez_cr5.png
As far as I can tell, nobody has made a pcb for this, and it's one of the most underrated overdrive pedals ever made. It's not another Tube Screamer, Klon, DOD 250; so that in itself is a breath of fresh air.

That's interesting.... Knowing Maxon, it's probably made from left over boards of another pedal in a different series, or at least very similar to one. They did alot of that... Who knows, it could be the elusive Ibanez SK10 Visual Super Product Sound From USA



Speaking of...This Reverb listing has a pretty good shot of the SK10 board and components:
https://reverb.com/item/20145140-ibanez-sk10-visual-super-product-sound-from-usa?utm_source=android-app&utm_medium=share

I triple dog dare someone to do a schem and board based on these photos (my money is on that it is a version of a Rat)
« Last Edit: June 02, 2019, 08:50:45 PM by Aentons »

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2019, 12:46:28 AM »
I think that new and overdrive are two words that can't be in the same sentence  ;D

what about the sunn concert bass preamp?
Or a low voltage adaption of the sunn 2000s preamp.

A nice thing for overdrive (especially for bass) is to add a cap in series with the clipping section.
This is an example.


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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2019, 01:03:23 AM »

Speaking of...This Reverb listing has a pretty good shot of the SK10 board and components:
https://reverb.com/item/20145140-ibanez-sk10-visual-super-product-sound-from-usa?utm_source=android-app&utm_medium=share

I triple dog dare someone to do a schem and board based on these photos (my money is on that it is a version of a Rat)

My bet is the SK10 is based on the (admittedly also obscure) FC10 Fat Cat Distortion (apparently the SK10 was made for a particular music company in Japan). Fun fact the "Visual Super Product" is the engrish translation of "Mirage"

Edit after snooping-
Hah, yeah, side-by-side of the FC-10 and SK-10 the boards look pretty much identical. Can't tell if all the component values are the same, but its gotta be close.

FC-10: http://mirosol.kapsi.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/FC10-guts2.jpg from - https://mirosol.kapsi.fi/2014/04/ibanez-fc10-fat-cat-distortion/

SK-10: https://i.imgur.com/OV1Tiq3.jpg (note it even says "FC-0101A" on the PCB, same as the fat cat)


In which case, yeah, its basically a Rat.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 01:25:17 AM by somnif »

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2019, 02:31:43 AM »
Include SMD pads for any jfets or other through holes that are OOP.

My idea is for a clean-blend Wyllie New Moon. The New Moon is a (switchable) octave fuzz where both the fuzz and the octave can have a swell/bloom effect like an envelope. With the clean blend it would be like having a fuzz-delay. Could be cool.

Yes, fuzz != od, but all od's seem about the same these days.

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2019, 03:44:17 AM »
I just want the ultimate dirt pedal that sounds exactly as I want.  Is that asking too much?

Bugger it.  I just want a 9v solid state version of the HT-Dual.  And no, the LT-dual isn't nearly as good.

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2019, 07:55:52 AM »

Edit after snooping-
Hah, yeah, side-by-side of the FC-10 and SK-10 the boards look pretty much identical. Can't tell if all the component values are the same, but its gotta be close.

FC-10: http://mirosol.kapsi.fi/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/FC10-guts2.jpg from - https://mirosol.kapsi.fi/2014/04/ibanez-fc10-fat-cat-distortion/

SK-10: https://i.imgur.com/OV1Tiq3.jpg (note it even says "FC-0101A" on the PCB, same as the fat cat)


In which case, yeah, its basically a Rat.
The mystery of the ages has just been solved :)

Btw... The LM7 LA Metal also uses the same PCB-FC-0101A board


Brian, (As DFX mentioned) How 'bout a JHS "Bonzai" style Ibanez SK10/FC10/LM7

The Maxon OD-01, which was likely the precursor to these, is very similar too(i think) but it is a different board (it has a OD/Distortion switch)
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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2019, 02:10:52 PM »
Iíve heard a lot of good things about the nobles odr1, though Iíve never looked at the schematic.

Iím with Mr Patton, some kind of digitally controlled multi component selection would be very cool.

But to be fair, once I built a Timmy I stopped building overdrives.

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2019, 02:58:16 PM »
Maybe combining OD with another type of effect...hmmm.

A couple more ideas are:

Pulse OD - an overdrive that modulates gain up/down and to compensate for the boost, also does volume down/up... like a tremolo but with drive instead of volume

Dirty Delay - combined delay into an overdrive

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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2019, 06:04:25 PM »
How about an underdrive?  No idea what one is, but Google told me they exist.   ;)
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Re: Your suggestions on overdrives for mbp
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2019, 06:22:34 PM »
I would like an overdrive that makes me play better and gives me more hours in the day to practice.

But my ideal overdrive would be like thetimmy or vfe dragon, transparent but with flexible eq options but it would have second foot switch that would be able to toggle in whatever you set in the effects loop. That way instead of a dual pedal that is maybe just a od/boost or whatever, you could plop in a fuzz and delay.

Basically if a  klein bottle and a dragon had incestuous baby and left out a bunch of options, like only having one eye and nine toes.