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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: jimilee on July 30, 2013, 05:07:51 PM

Title: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on July 30, 2013, 05:07:51 PM
Is there a Fender tweed (sounding) pedal?
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on July 30, 2013, 05:11:47 PM
Wampler Tweed '59
Catalinbread  Formula No 5
maybe Tech 21 SansAmp Character Blonde
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: GermanCdn on July 30, 2013, 05:15:21 PM
ROG Azabache (available from Thomas_H)

ROG Professor Tweed (available from Chi_boy)

Tweedy Bird (used to be available from Chi_boy, might be able to find some from somebody here)
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: midwayfair on July 30, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
Azabache x 1000.

I'm just going to list it as my favorite overdrive, and possibly my favorite dirt pedal overall. It's the only dirt pedal except for my winnie the pooh fuzz face that earned a permanent spot on my main board in the last two years (and for a while, it replaced my fuzz face as the only dirt pedal I was using).

The Wampler has slightly more clarity in some settings, and its gain structure is almost identical, but the Azabache for me nudges it out on "feel" (slightly more sponginess) and simplicity (the EQ is surprisingly versatile even without the extra controls). The bright switch on the Azabache is particularly great for the higher gain sounds, because it cuts treble BEFORE the distortion, whereas the Wampler can only cut it after. So the Azabache intermodulates less on higher gain settings, without needing to fiddle with your guitar tone pot when switching your overdrive on and off.

The only change I would make when building the Azabache is to make the last set of diodes asymmetrical.

I really need to make a demo of it. Maybe I'll do that tonight while I'm shooting the vid for my contest entry.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: slimtriggers on July 30, 2013, 06:09:52 PM
Les Lius

Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on July 30, 2013, 06:11:33 PM
Yeah, forgot the Azabache. I have the board laying around, unpopulated, like so many others. So much to do, so little time. Thanks for reminding me!

Quote from: midwayfair on July 30, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
The only change I would make when building the Azabache is to make the last set of diodes asymmetrical.

How would you describe the difference this makes?

Quote from: midwayfair on July 30, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
I really need to make a demo of it.

I'd really appreciate that!
Title: Re: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: Mike B. on July 30, 2013, 06:14:05 PM
+1 again on the Azabache. Jon said it better than I could've.

And, on a side note, why have we not seen pics of the Winnie the Pooh FF? Cartoon characters on pedals are always awesome!
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on July 30, 2013, 06:20:13 PM
Quote from: slimtriggers on July 30, 2013, 06:09:52 PM
Les Lius

I'm not really convinced. These Electra diode clippers can give grit to a good amp. But "tweed emulation"? Tweeds also have a great clean sound.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: midwayfair on July 30, 2013, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: kothoma on July 30, 2013, 06:20:13 PM
Quote from: slimtriggers on July 30, 2013, 06:09:52 PM
Les Lius

I'm not really convinced. These Electra diode clippers can give grit to a good amp. But "tweed emulation"? Tweeds also have a great clean sound.

Yeah.

The Les Luis/Lavache was fun because it was simple. And the Electra Distortion is generally an okay circuit. But it had nothing in common with the sound or feel of an actual tweed amp.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on July 30, 2013, 05:15:21 PM
ROG Azabache (available from Thomas_H)
Sounds like this is the one to have, how can I get hold of Thomas_H to have a look at the PCB?
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on July 31, 2013, 02:17:56 PM
Quote from: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 01:57:51 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on July 30, 2013, 05:15:21 PM
ROG Azabache (available from Thomas_H)
Sounds like this is the one to have, how can I get hold of Thomas_H to have a look at the PCB?

http://diy.thcustom.com/shop/rog-azabache-pcb/
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 02:21:59 PM
Thank you. Annnnndd.....it's out of stock. Facepalm
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: midwayfair on July 31, 2013, 02:29:08 PM
I think jubal81's PCB file is on Pedal Geeks United if you want to get it from OSH Park. It's meant for a 125B but will fit in a 1590B if you're careful with the drilling template (I used the one for the Kingslayer, I think). There was also one on DIYSB from when ROG first released the design, but I think that one's made for a 1590BB. Otherwise I'd just ask Thomas if he's restocking them.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 02:33:53 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on July 31, 2013, 02:29:08 PM
I think jubal81's PCB file is on Pedal Geeks United if you want to get it from OSH Park. It's meant for a 125B but will fit in a 1590B if you're careful with the drilling template (I used the one for the Kingslayer, I think). There was also one on DIYSB from when ROG first released the design, but I think that one's made for a 1590BB. Otherwise I'd just ask Thomas if he's restocking them.
Thanks Jon, I'll do that, it looks like he is on Holiday till today, so i will give him a few to catch up on things. Ideally  1590b or smaller is what I'm after. It's going into a multi build, so smaller is better.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: midwayfair on July 31, 2013, 02:41:28 PM
Quote from: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 02:33:53 PM1590b or smaller

Even I'm not sure that can be done ...
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 02:45:31 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on July 31, 2013, 02:41:28 PM
Quote from: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 02:33:53 PM1590b or smaller

Even I'm not sure that can be done ...
Yeah 1590b sounds and looks like it would be the smallest and that is pushing it. Lots of switches and knobs.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: Chi_Boy on July 31, 2013, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on July 30, 2013, 05:15:21 PM

Tweedy Bird (used to be available from Chi_boy, might be able to find some from somebody here)

I heard a rumor that those will be available again sometime around the end of August. 
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: atreidesheir on July 31, 2013, 08:01:21 PM
chi_boy is good people to deal with.   I like his boards.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on July 31, 2013, 11:41:22 PM
Quote from: Chi_Boy on July 31, 2013, 07:57:18 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on July 30, 2013, 05:15:21 PM

Tweedy Bird (used to be available from Chi_boy, might be able to find some from somebody here)

I heard a rumor that those will be available again sometime around the end of August. 
Cool, what size inclosure wil it fit in? The smaller the better for this project.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: Chi_Boy on August 01, 2013, 12:58:21 AM
It's a pretty big board, so I went with a 125B and it fits nicely.  Never tried a 1590B, but with determination, you might get it in there.

http://home.comcast.net/~gprause/BuildDocs/Tweedy_V2.0_Build_Doc%20V2.pdf (http://home.comcast.net/~gprause/BuildDocs/Tweedy_V2.0_Build_Doc%20V2.pdf)
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on August 01, 2013, 01:23:18 AM
Well the thing is its going into a multi pedal that's why I was asking. The other effects are going to be 1590a size boards. If it will fit into a 125b that plenty good, I just didn't want a 1590bb sized board.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.

Wow. What size are you aiming at?
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: midwayfair on August 03, 2013, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.

With all that active circuitry, what's the DI box for?
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on August 03, 2013, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.

With all that active circuitry, what's the DI box for?

An active DI box (transformerless) to have XLR connectors and a balanced line to the mixing desk perhaps?
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: midwayfair on August 03, 2013, 05:19:26 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on August 03, 2013, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.

With all that active circuitry, what's the DI box for?

An active DI box (transformerless) to have XLR connectors and a balanced line to the mixing desk perhaps?

Ah. I didn't think recording desk ...
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 05:38:28 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.

Wow. What size are you aiming at?
i don't know yet, I'm trying to find the smallest circuits I can
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: jimilee on August 09, 2013, 04:04:25 AM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on August 03, 2013, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.

With all that active circuitry, what's the DI box for?

An active DI box (transformerless) to have XLR connectors and a balanced line to the mixing desk perhaps?
Transformerless D.I.? tell me more.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: kothoma on August 09, 2013, 05:54:00 AM
Quote from: jimilee on August 09, 2013, 04:04:25 AM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on August 03, 2013, 03:20:34 PM
Quote from: jimilee on August 03, 2013, 01:17:13 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 03, 2013, 07:24:13 AM
Curious as ever, what else will go into this multi pedal?
dude wants a tube screamer a chorus and a delay a headphone amp and a direct box. Not sure how much will actually fit though.

With all that active circuitry, what's the DI box for?

An active DI box (transformerless) to have XLR connectors and a balanced line to the mixing desk perhaps?
Transformerless D.I.? tell me more.

For example:
http://www.paul-gemine.co.uk/diboxes.html
http://sound.westhost.com/project35.htm
http://www.sonelec-musique.com/electronique_realisations_di_001.html
http://www.sonelec-musique.com/electronique_realisations_di_002.html
http://www.sonelec-musique.com/electronique_realisations_di_003.html
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: hoodoo on August 09, 2013, 06:16:29 AM
There's a dude called Ronin on DIY stompboxes that sells an Azabache board, good quality too. You might get it in a 125b, and OT, Chi-Boy, i hope the rumour you heard about the tweedy making a comeback, includes the other great discontinued boards as well  ;)
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: rullywowr on August 09, 2013, 08:18:21 PM
Funny you should mention this.  I was working on the Azabache and stumbled upon this thread.  Layout is for a 1590B and has PCB mounted pots and switches (because I hate offboard wiring).  All the other layouts didn't seem to have PCB mounted stuff going on.  Layout is done, the DRC checks out fine, just need to do some final tweaks and verifying before I send it off to OP.   

PM me if you are interested as I will have a few extras...just would like to verify its not a dud first.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0%20pic.png)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0%20pic.png (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0%20pic.png)

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Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: Chi_Boy on August 09, 2013, 10:05:15 PM
Quote from: hoodoo on August 09, 2013, 06:16:29 AM
There's a dude called Ronin on DIY stompboxes that sells an Azabache board, good quality too. You might get it in a 125b, and OT, Chi-Boy, i hope the rumour you heard about the tweedy making a comeback, includes the other great discontinued boards as well  ;)

All kinds of rumors are out there.   It's like Melrose Place around here.  There's even one about an 18v T-Wrex with modified booster. 
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: rullywowr on August 09, 2013, 10:30:22 PM
It's hard to keep a good Chi-Boy down!  Nice man, you make some awesome stuff.
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: ThePastRecedes on August 09, 2013, 11:36:38 PM
Quote from: rullywowr on August 09, 2013, 08:18:21 PM

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0%20pic.png)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0%20pic.png (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0%20pic.png)

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Maybe this me being pick but are those switches meant to be slightly out of line with the pots?
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: rullywowr on August 10, 2013, 12:54:07 AM
Sharp eye!... they weren't in line with the pots (on purpose) as this version had the switches 50 mils towards the inside evenly in order to give the enclosure more room (upper corners). 

I revised it slightly and put the switches in the middle here to alleviate that problem...just about ready to be sent off to the park.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0.1%20pic.png)
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0.1%20pic.png (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/Azabache/Azabache%201.0.1%20pic.png)
Title: Re: Fender Tweed emulation pedal?
Post by: Boba7 on April 23, 2018, 08:10:17 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on July 30, 2013, 06:04:07 PM
Azabache x 1000.

I'm just going to list it as my favorite overdrive, and possibly my favorite dirt pedal overall. It's the only dirt pedal except for my winnie the pooh fuzz face that earned a permanent spot on my main board in the last two years (and for a while, it replaced my fuzz face as the only dirt pedal I was using).

The Wampler has slightly more clarity in some settings, and its gain structure is almost identical, but the Azabache for me nudges it out on "feel" (slightly more sponginess) and simplicity (the EQ is surprisingly versatile even without the extra controls). The bright switch on the Azabache is particularly great for the higher gain sounds, because it cuts treble BEFORE the distortion, whereas the Wampler can only cut it after. So the Azabache intermodulates less on higher gain settings, without needing to fiddle with your guitar tone pot when switching your overdrive on and off.

The only change I would make when building the Azabache is to make the last set of diodes asymmetrical.

I really need to make a demo of it. Maybe I'll do that tonight while I'm shooting the vid for my contest entry.

Hey Jon,

Sorry for reviving an old thread but I'm seriously thinking about building an Azabache. I thought about the Black 65 first then saw your message.
Did you use the treble mod to get less treble out of it? (lowering R5 that's connected to pin 1 of the tone pot)
I've always wanted to have a Black 65 but am afraid of all the pots (3 band EQ is too much for me) and it looks a bit tricky to bias. So now I'm thinking of the Azabache.

Cheers! :D