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Title: Mangler
Post by: Sigesmundninja on March 14, 2012, 10:50:16 AM
Finished this baby today, man am I happy about how it turned out. There are absolutely NO pop when I flip either switch!

silicon transistors are BC109
Germanium's are CV7112

Left switch is for Q1
Right switch is For Q2 and the two Bias-controls. Panel-knob is for Germanium and the inside trimpot is for silicon.

Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: cjkbug on March 14, 2012, 11:15:33 AM
nice build. I love those steel enclosures for fuzz boxes. they're a bitch to drill but worth the effort. how hard is it to get every combo dialed in? do you have to make adjustments for each set of trannies?(si/ge,ge/si.si/si, and ge/ge) or can you get it set so everything sounds good no matter where the switches are set? I was considering using an old byoc fuzz face pcb for a hybrid fuzz face. I like to use ge for some things and si for others but wouldn't want to strap 2 ff's to my board.
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Sigesmundninja on March 14, 2012, 11:35:28 AM
I haven't really had time to try it out that much. The way i have the trimpot set now sounds good in every combination but I'm sure It could be even better if I tweak the trimpot a bit more but for now its stays where it is and it works just fine. The BC109 aren't handpicked so I should probably try to get a hold of a matched pair from Banzai. the BC109 squeals a bit when the fuzz is cranked and I was thinking that might be to much gain from the transistor(?) I would appreciate your input on that subject.
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: raulduke on March 14, 2012, 12:27:55 PM
Really nice build mate. Top marks!

Oscillations can be caused by the Trannies being to high gain. This can be tamed by swapping the transistors out for lower gain versions, or putting a small cap across the transistors base and collector (ala D*A*M Meathead, Coloursound OKF).

In your case I would try swapping the trannies out for a low gain pair.

Good luck with it mate!
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Bluestrat on March 14, 2012, 12:47:16 PM
Fantastic build! Love the retro look and super clean all around. Where did you source the enclosure and did you have any issues drilling the steel?
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Sigesmundninja on March 14, 2012, 12:57:36 PM
Thank you guys!
i got it from pedalenclosures.com. I highly recomend them, they were not that hard to drill actually.
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: dwstanford on March 14, 2012, 02:51:02 PM
Beautiful pedal.  I love those pedal enclosures enclosures. 
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Post by: DutchMF on March 14, 2012, 04:28:30 PM
Now that's industrial-looking, I like it! And cool that your Si/Ge switching works so well! I'm really suprised that the bolt you used to mount the main board isn't shorting anything out. Very nice!

Paul
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: TNblueshawk on March 14, 2012, 04:31:52 PM
Great looking build. I love their enclosures but I don't love the price thus I have not gone for it. As a one off I'm in, but I can't bring myself to order say 10 of them or so.
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Sigesmundninja on March 14, 2012, 04:40:21 PM
Oh god, NO! 10 items plus shipping to sweden plus taxes and customs... that would ruin me

DutchMF, there's actually a lot of space on the manglerboard to drill hole for a mouningscrew, but it might be a litte tight if there are transistor-sockets in.
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: sgmezei on March 14, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
Dude I really love your build. I have been wanting to do this but haven't wrapped my head around how I want to do the switching and the bias trim pot for Q2.

Awesome look. Awesome Build!
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: LaceSensor on March 14, 2012, 07:18:13 PM
damn. Thats tidy as hell, looking really really good there.
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Post by: eldanko on March 14, 2012, 08:32:57 PM
droooooooooooooooool
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Sigesmundninja on March 15, 2012, 10:48:13 PM
Thank you everybody!
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: pryde on March 16, 2012, 03:36:41 AM
Fantastic build man.

I have a "basic" mangler with the CV7112 trannies and really dig it. I can't imagine how versatile and cool your pedal sounds.

Hats off  :o

Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Om_Audio on March 16, 2012, 04:20:20 AM
Cool! Let's hear it! Also, did you have a schem for the tranny switching mod?
C
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Post by: shawnee on March 16, 2012, 11:03:29 AM
Man that looks great. Super clean build!
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Post by: gtr2 on March 16, 2012, 01:25:56 PM
Great build.  Love the look and enclosure.

Josh
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Post by: nzCdog on March 17, 2012, 08:25:38 PM
That is soooo sexy!  :o Love the look and the guts make tasty viewing 8)
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Post by: slimtriggers on March 17, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
Very cool.  Has sort of a cold war era military device look 8)
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Post by: stevenrun on March 18, 2012, 02:28:29 AM
Love the retro look. Looks like a panel off a 1960s nuclear reactor or something.
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Sigesmundninja on March 18, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
I'm really glad to get all these positive response, thank you guys! Will see what I can do about a audio-demo.

Om_Audio:
this is how I wired the switching. (nevermind the orientation of the transistors, think the OC's are mirrored)
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Om_Audio on March 20, 2012, 08:27:42 AM
Wow, thanks. So I am a n00b for the most part but-
1- Did you pick Q2 to put the trim pots on for any particular reason vs Q1?
2- Did you consider an external trim for both trannys on Q2?
I don't really understand biasing yet but I assume it is somehow an adjusting that only needs to be done on one tranny or the other. 
Quote from: Sigesmundninja on March 18, 2012, 10:47:39 AM
Om_Audio:
this is how I wired the switching. (nevermind the orientation of the transistors, think the OC's are mirrored)
Title: Re: Mangler
Post by: Sigesmundninja on March 20, 2012, 10:57:26 AM
Not that I'm a expert on this, actually I don't understand it at all. I will let someone else answer why the bias is on Q2. The reason the pot for germanium Q2 is exterior is because germanium's are heat-sensitive, if if its cold the bias-pot is in one position and if its warmer I might turn it to another position. Silicon-transistors aren't heat-sensitive and to my ears they just sound good i "one" position, that's why the silicon-bias is internal....  I think  ;D