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Title: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: greysun on January 03, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
Happy new year, everyone!

I've been taking some voice lessons with a great teacher the last few months, and wanted to say thanks with a gift of sorts. I figure a pedal is apt, but can't figure out which one...

Then I had the idea to maybe put 3 baby boards horizontally into a 1590BB and give him something he can have/leave in his teaching room that has some useful effects.

I can swear I've seen someone do this, but can't find it.

I'm thinking a cavedweller, rabbit hole and egghead would cover quite a bit of sonic territory, but would love to hear any thoughts on a better combo? Would love a tremolo w/ tap in there, but I don't think a baby board exists with such functionality...

I'm also not sure how to wire it up just yet. I'd like to be able to switch the effects on/off. Maybe a main stomp on the right, and an A/B/Y on the left? Might just have to use some toggles up above, which is simple enough.

Any thoughts/advice would be great! As always, thank you in advance!
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: madbean on January 03, 2018, 03:32:35 PM
You should be able to fit 3 baby boards in a 1590BB (I did one a few years ago). I think the simplest and most useful bypass would just be one footswitch per effect like any other multi. An A/B/Y isn't going to be possible with a two-state mechanical switch.

My personal choice would be compressor, OD/Dist, and delay which covers a lot of ground. There is no MBP baby board tremolo right now (although there will be one in about another month). You would not be able to fit in a tap tempo with three effects in a 1590BB without designing a custom PCB, I think.
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: alanp on January 03, 2018, 03:44:27 PM
Pickdropper's Swiss Army Knife, if I remember rightly. Red with a white cross on it?
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: BrianS on January 03, 2018, 03:52:52 PM
Madbean and Alan both posted while I was typing this so if there's some info repeating excuse me please.

Heres a guide from GuitarPCB that will give you some ideas on building one.  It's not all Inclusive but it's a good starter and will give you some info.

http://www.guitarpcb.com/PDF-Files/Combo%20Build%20Wiring%20Tutorial.pdf

I've built a few multis in 1590bb's and your layout is real important.  Board mounted pots sometimes help and sometimes hinder things so just make sure everything will fit before you start drilling. Depending on the width of the board they can be placed on their side if you use wired pots to get some room.  Side placement of boards opens up more grounding possibilities so watch for that.

I like having a switch for each board but in a BB it may be difficult to hit the middle one easily. Depends I guess on how agile you are 😊.  Putting in a ABY switch isn't something I cant speak on but wiring the boards/switches up is just like doing a single one but the jack out of first switch goes into the jack in of the next switch (and so to the next) and the out on your end switch goes to the output jack.  The way I keep from getting confused on the wiring is how do I get the bypass signal from the in to the out jack and it sort of simplifies it for me. 

Anyway, take a look at the guide and you should be able to get some good info from there.  Getting everything to fit right is the most time consuming thing for me.  If you execute the planning phase correctly things will fall into place much easier.
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: dan.schumaker on January 03, 2018, 04:05:16 PM
Here is a 3-in-1590BB build that I did a while ago:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=26677.0 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=26677.0)
This one has an Xotic AC Booster, RC Booster, and BB Preamp in it.

Like Brian said, the easiest way to do it is to have three footswitches, and have all the circuits linked in series.

As for what three, I would think an Afterlife, Hipster/Runt, Smoothie would make a fun combo  :)
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: Timko on January 03, 2018, 04:28:19 PM
Quote from: dan.schumaker on January 03, 2018, 04:05:16 PM
Here is a 3-in-1590BB build that I did a while ago:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=26677.0 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=26677.0)
This one has an Xotic AC Booster, RC Booster, and BB Preamp in it.

Like Brian said, the easiest way to do it is to have three footswitches, and have all the circuits linked in series.

As for what three, I would think an Afterlife, Hipster/Runt, Smoothie would make a fun combo  :)

That pedal is a happy family!  I did a build like this too for a friend 2 years back; it was a muff, octave up, and octave down.  It was a lot of stuff shoved into a box :).

http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=21618.msg213452#msg213452 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=21618.msg213452#msg213452)
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: jimilee on January 03, 2018, 04:37:39 PM
The problem with a 3 in 1 ina1590BB is foot space. Does this guy have little feet? Don't get me wrong, I love multis, I have done many, one had 4 stomps and 4 switches, things got right in the top.


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Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: greysun on January 03, 2018, 05:09:50 PM
Wow - this forum always comes through! Thanks a lot for the suggestions and posts, guys!

After multiple suggestions, the Runt (with a reutz mod, of course) will take care of distortion. He teaches a lot of floyd and radiohead, so a cavedweller delay is also in.

He's worked with me to get better picking and volume control, especially while singing (hard to break bad habits after 23 years of playing), and he's mentioned it affects many other students, so I feel like any compressor wouldn't be used (again, for teaching - gigging is another story, but I don't think he'd use this for gigging - open to persuasion, but just mentioning).

I do have a pretty good schematic for a simple LFO tap tremolo, but not sure how small I could get it.

Since the idea is that this is a teaching aid, I wonder if 3 stomps is too much. I feel like the delay and tremolo would rarely (if ever) be used at the same time, so I wonder if 2 stomps would suffice - one for the runt, the other for the delay/tremolo, with a simple toggle at the top edge to switch between delay and tremolo effects. I could put the tap for the tremolo either into a small 1590a with an 1/8" jack connector, or just put a small pushbutton up top someplace.

As always, any thoughts are appreciated! Thanks again, guys!
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: Timko on January 03, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
Oh wait; mine isn't in a 1590BB.  It was in a 1790.  I don't think I would put 3 footswitches on a 1590BB unless one was at the top.
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: sjaustin on January 03, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Do yourself a big favor and use a 1590DD instead. Life is too short to try and put 3 in a BB. The extra size won't matter in a studio setting, and it will save you many headaches.  :)
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: greysun on January 03, 2018, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: sjaustin on January 03, 2018, 06:54:10 PM
Do yourself a big favor and use a 1590DD instead. Life is too short to try and put 3 in a BB. The extra size won't matter in a studio setting, and it will save you many headaches.  :)

Truth, but a 1590DD is huge. However, this did get me looking, and I found a slightly larger than 1590BB size in a 6500 enclosure, which is about an inch wider and taller that I might try out. https://www.mammothelectronics.com/products/4s6500-enclosure

That could get me out of trouble. Thanks!:-)
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: Timko on January 03, 2018, 09:04:37 PM
The 1790 is smaller than a 1590DD and does great with 3 1590B sized effects.

1790
https://lovemyswitches.com/1590xx-1790ns-enclosure-bare-aluminum/ (https://lovemyswitches.com/1590xx-1790ns-enclosure-bare-aluminum/)

1590DD
https://lovemyswitches.com/1590dd-enclosure-bare-aluminum/ (https://lovemyswitches.com/1590dd-enclosure-bare-aluminum/)

For some build reference, here are 2 builds of mine, each with 3 foot switches:
1790 - http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=21618 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=21618)
1590DD - http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=23022 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=23022)
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: greysun on January 03, 2018, 09:43:12 PM
Quote from: Timko on January 03, 2018, 09:04:37 PM
The 1790 is smaller than a 1590DD and does great with 3 1590B sized effects.

1790
https://lovemyswitches.com/1590xx-1790ns-enclosure-bare-aluminum/ (https://lovemyswitches.com/1590xx-1790ns-enclosure-bare-aluminum/)

1590DD
https://lovemyswitches.com/1590dd-enclosure-bare-aluminum/ (https://lovemyswitches.com/1590dd-enclosure-bare-aluminum/)

For some build reference, here are 2 builds of mine, each with 3 foot switches:
1790 - http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=21618 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=21618)
1590DD - http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=23022 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=23022)

the 1790 looks like it's basically the same size as the 6500, give or take a millimeter - and based on your build pics, I think it'll work... I have a much better sense of it now.

Thanks for all the help, guys! Probably February for the build by the time I get all the parts and some time to get down to it, but will definitely post pics. Thanks again! :-)
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: somnif on January 03, 2018, 09:49:27 PM
For reference,  the 1790 and 6500 are based on the 1590XX
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: Willybomb on January 04, 2018, 05:07:09 AM
Big fan of the DD for multi builds.  They're not that big once you start filling them if you're not organised...

Leviathan..
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=26498.msg256824#msg256824

Ammocan
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=19997.msg194487#msg194487

Space Station
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=26642.msg258217#msg258217

Hyperactive Hyperdrive
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=21721.msg214328#msg214328

If you want to go crazy, use a 1550G...
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=24145.msg235775#msg235775

Other than that, I don't mind BBs for builds with 2 effects, but for 3 switches, you need a DD imo, just for ergonomics.



Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: alanp on January 04, 2018, 05:38:05 AM
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=8131.0 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=8131.0)

Here's Pickdropper's 3in1 1590BB. Unfortunately, the photographs have been photobucketed :(
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: somnif on January 04, 2018, 07:32:47 AM
Quote from: alanp on January 04, 2018, 05:38:05 AM
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=8131.0 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=8131.0)

Here's Pickdropper's 3in1 1590BB. Unfortunately, the photographs have been photobucketed :(

My photobucket fixer mod lets me see them... but for some reason my preferred image host isn't letting me upload them. That is really frustrating.
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: greysun on January 04, 2018, 07:51:45 PM
I can't see pickdropper's pedal, but good to read the posts on this stuff to see where people may hiccup.

I have a crazy idea, and I either need to be talked off the ledge, or pushed onto it! I like the idea of a delay, tremolo and distortion. The problem comes back to the age old debate: trem before or after distortion? delay before or after distortion?

I, personally, like tremolo before distortion, and delay after (maybe the other way around - can't remember without looking at my board - ANYWAY...)

I came up with an idea using a 6PDT rotary switch where in position one, the audio signal is INPUT > DISTORTION > DELAY > OUTPUT (tremolo is off), and in position 2, it's INPUT > TREMOLO > DISTORTION > OUTPUT (delay is off).

This way, distortion is always available, my preferred order of operations is always upheld, the switching is still true bypass, all the LEDs still work AND I only need 2 footswitches so I can have a tap tempo for the tremolo. Here's a hastily made diagram (sorry if they're too big) - I know it's crazy, but please help me figure out if it can be done!

(http://www.mikeganz.com/guitars/pedals/multipedal-rotary-1.jpg) (http://www.mikeganz.com/guitars/pedals/multipedal-rotary-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: Timko on January 04, 2018, 10:48:05 PM
In my Up/Down Muff, I added a switch to change the order of the Octave Up and Muff, which proved awesome.  I think it would be crazy complicated to do to re-arrange 3 effects, but something like that could be done for 2 of your circuits.
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: Willybomb on January 04, 2018, 10:48:43 PM
Use a switch to change the order of trem before/after dirt so you never have to have it turned off.
Title: Re: Multi-pedal / All-in-One question...
Post by: fair.child on January 10, 2018, 05:50:37 AM
Will the two 1590B Bean boards fit 1590BB? I am thinking to build 2x 1.95"x1.95" boards with 1590BB.