self explanatory
Man, I'm having a hard time understanding this post.
Are you asking a question, inviting discussion, or sharing a poor experience? Making a title and then a 'self explanatory' statement isn't really helpful.
What I'm saying is, nothing is self explanatory on the internet.
Jacob
Sorry. I'm having one of those days. Just venting.
Quote from: jkokura on October 04, 2018, 10:20:28 PM
Man, I'm having a hard time understanding this post.
Are you asking a question, inviting discussion, or sharing a poor experience? Making a title and then a 'self explanatory' statement isn't really helpful.
What I'm saying is, nothing is self explanatory on the internet.
Jacob
Yup. Every time you think this does not need any explanation, people will understand it for sure, then you're absolutely, 100% wrong.
As for the OP, I LOVE Line 6 gear. I've used much of their stuff to my satisfaction, although I've been lucky enough to have never used a Spyder ;D. What I had has never fallen apart on me. Granted, their amp modeling wasn't always up to par to the real thing, and if I had to chose between my Fractal gear and Line 6 stuff, Fractal wins. But overall for what I used it for it has served me well. I can understand that others may have different experiences. Even the best of things fail sometimes, somebody has to be the unlucky SOB that draws the short straw, statistically that same unlucky SOB may even draw the short straw more then once. But a statistical sample of one is no statistic, and one of the biggest mistakes that people make is thinking that their experiences are the same for everyone.
Quote from: Muadzin on October 06, 2018, 11:07:28 PM
... Even the best of things fail sometimes, somebody has to be the unlucky SOB that draws the short straw, statistically that same unlucky SOB may even draw the short straw more then once. But a statistical sample of one is no statistic, and one of the biggest mistakes that people make is thinking that their experiences are the same for everyone.
Ah, yes. ( he said, as a wry smile passed across his lips ) I recall back in the days gone by, walking thru the grass
that had been freshly cut on my way to STAT 511. The teacher was a grad student from Europe. I believe that his name
was Omegaman. His super powers included transmitting an F straight to my report card. Needless to say, I was late for class
and often forgot my $100 calculator. I did, however, often bring $1000 worth of chewing gum. Grape, Strawberry, Cloudberry,
Blueberry, Red Pink Orange Rainbow ( which can be found on FBAY for a tidy sum ).
And then, I barfed.
"Fruit stripe gum. I think it was Charlton Heston's favorite."
~Methods and Applications of Linear Models: Regression and the Analysis of Variance by Ronald R. Hocking
My only experience with line 6 was a flextone ii 2x12 which I bought brand new which also lost almost all of its value in no time. I really regret that purchase.
I have a line 6 computer interface (I think its one of the POD series, too lazy to dig it out of the closet at the moment).
It works ok. Blue screens the computer if I try to unplug the guitar for whatever reason though, which is a bit annoying. But, it was cheap, so I didn't really expect much to begin with.
My Line6 love has all dried up too.
I was a gushing fanboi of the pods, and spent way too much on a VettaII (which eventually sold for about 25% what I paid new.) I recently dipped my toe back in with a second hand PodHD Pro... Had no mojo. Somehow it always felt like a wrestle to get a sound I was happy with out of Line 6. They were in there somewhere, mind you.
I think resale value of digital modelers is always going to be an issue, regardless of brand. If you bought a first gen Fractal, it has lost a significant amount of its value. I compare it to buying a computer. There's usually no advantage to buying an older computer and resale value of modelers reflects that. There may be occasional exceptions, but it will generally be the case. It's one of the things that would prevent me from getting a Kemperer; at least right now.
had a flextone II I bought stupid cheap ... it was indeed stupid cheap and I was glad when it was gone.
I'm also not fond of the blues junior amplifier but I don't condemn Fender as a company for it.
Still a big fan of my Variax. I wish I could afford a Tyler but the original still does a killer Firebird clone and some believable acoustics.
@Pickdropper: truth
I've been using a Line6 UX interface as sound card since they come on the market for my desktop. Sure there's better interfaces on the market with better preamps but for just some home recording fun with no professional aspirations: kick ass piece of gear, very affordable, software still compatible and hasn't failed yet! So for me, at least they got one product right ;) I don't care much for the rest.
Quote from: pickdropper on October 08, 2018, 06:59:09 PMIt's one of the things that would prevent me from getting a Kemperer; at least right now.
The Kemper is pretty amazing. I've had one for a year and a half and would have a hard time going back to a "real" amp, at least for my uses - playing at home and through a PA at church.
The only exception I would make would be an OX box and true stereo tube amps. I guess 2 ox boxes, in that case. But the Kemper is just so good I can't imagine the analog rig with a load box and IR's would be much better.
Quote from: pickdropper on October 08, 2018, 06:59:09 PM
I think resale value of digital modelers is always going to be an issue, regardless of brand. If you bought a first gen Fractal, it has lost a significant amount of its value. I compare it to buying a computer. There's usually no advantage to buying an older computer and resale value of modelers reflects that. There may be occasional exceptions, but it will generally be the case. It's one of the things that would prevent me from getting a Kemperer; at least right now.
You are completely right in that buying an older modeler is like buying an older computer. Because in essence that's what it is. Then again older Fractals, even the first Standard models, do hold up their resale value better then Line 6 gear. I suspect the biggest problem in that regard is that Line 6 gear is a lot more entry level gear, so it costs a lot less to begin with, plus they constantly release new stuff at a faster rate then Fractal.
On the plus side, while a modeler is like an older computer, an older computer is not a specialized piece of gear, optimized for one purpose. An older computer is a jack of all trades, master of none. And if a Pod, Axe-FX or Kemper sounded right yesterday, it still sounds right today or tomorrow, even if there are better computers now out there. Just like an old tube amp sounds right yesterday, today or tomorrow.
As for resale value, if that's your biggest issue when buying new gear you're probably not buying the right gear.
I still like a few things from L6. I don't know if they still make the gear or not but I like the FM4 and DL4 pedals still. Modding them is fun and not very expensive. I also dig the echo park and verbzilla pedals. They, IMO, blow most big name retail pedals away. But that's about as far as I go.
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Quote from: flanagan0718 on October 11, 2018, 01:48:09 AM
... I like the FM4 and DL4 pedals still. Modding them is fun and not very expensive.
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What mods have you done to your FM4/DL4? I took my MM4 apart and re-painted the enclosure. I didn't do a very good job,
so I'll probably re-re-paint it when I'm in the mood.
Quote from: stringsthings on October 12, 2018, 09:14:25 AMWhat mods have you done to your FM4/DL4? I took my MM4 apart and re-painted the enclosure. I didn't do a very good job,
so I'll probably re-re-paint it when I'm in the mood.
Not the OP there, but I just did a switch replacement and external tap tempo jack job on a DL4 for an acquaintance. Switch job is really easy and pretty cheap, and it's a huge upgrade. External tap isn't too tough either, though it does eliminate the fourth preset as an option.
Quote from: stringsthings on October 12, 2018, 09:14:25 AM
Quote from: flanagan0718 on October 11, 2018, 01:48:09 AM
... I like the FM4 and DL4 pedals still. Modding them is fun and not very expensive.
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What mods have you done to your FM4/DL4? I took my MM4 apart and re-painted the enclosure. I didn't do a very good job,
so I'll probably re-re-paint it when I'm in the mood.
A bunch really.
Double preset
Looper mode switch
Expression mod
Volume drop mod
Noise switch
Footswich upgrade
Maybe a few more that I can't think of right now.
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