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Theres no diy versions discussed there. i don't want to spend $350 on a menatone Kar krash (that is a lot of money!)

Is this the right place to suggest projects or am i just barking up the wrong tree? i assumed something like this might be interesting for the majority as its a boutique amp that very few can afford.

The dumble thing has been pedalized to death and i was reading my amp book today and read about trainwreck etc and thought it'd be cool to have one in a pedal.

should i not suggest such things here?

I didnt know the night train is based on a train wreck.

sorry, i should have been more clear. i like the tonality of the express and the liverpool amps and would love to hear them in DIY pedal form.

Brian, i see you like your cascading fet overdrives. is there any scope to produce a trainwreck amp in a pedal?

Just to clarify, i am not the pedalsync guy, i did design the pedal controller mentioned here: http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=8130.0

so sorry, i went fifty fifty and lost. My statement still stands though--- your controller is epic!

Hi Thorpy6,

I just found this thread. I have developed the pedal controller that was mentioned and will try helping you to find what you need. The part I do not understand yet is the buffer/driver you mentioned.

Do you want to level out the signal for each loop separately or what do you want to do ?

Thomas

Thomas,  in all honesty i think the controller you offer is too much for the likes of me, it looks amazing but as im really after something simpler in application im not sure if it might be too complex. The relay module you have designed the mv-57B looks very nice though. The boost/buffer i was on about though is the option to assign a post effect volume cut/boost into a loop and or place a buffer into the loop to improve signal strength / drive the line etc. The purpose of the optional volume would be to raise or lower the effected loops volume to match the bypassed signal. this would be great if old fuzzes etc (whose volume is sometimes less than unity) are put into the loops. the buffer option would be if the single module were to go into a solitary pedal.

For the record, if I came off too strong, or too negative, my apologies. I do that sometimes, and it's hard to have internet conversations without coming off the wrong way sometimes. My apologies.

Don't feel gutted. Do some research on the various options out there and ask any questions you're wanting.

jacob

Its ok, ive got thick skin lol and text never conveys tone etc so i always take that into account.

Really i suppose what i should have come out with is that i have a strong affinity towards madbean boards, they always work, the quality is great and i have literally bought more than i can remember. It'd be great if Brian could do the whole modular relay/buffer/boost board or something like this because a) i know it will work b) i know it will be simple to build and c) well id rather put my money his way because i trust him

i did not know these things existed. goes to prove- theres rarely an original idea.

i dont have the skills at the moment to design a relay switching system and get the boards fabbed etc and although that AMZ true bypass relay board looks good it doest have the optional buffer or optional clean boost/cut volume control i mentioned.

I suppose if its not something anyone would be interested in (and thats the feeling I'm getting) then thats all she wrote.

well i can't deny I'm a bit gutted, I've seen lots of these sort of strips lately and thought that the idea of silent switching was a good one. especially if you can boost the output of a loop to match volumes etc.

i saw a mooer one yesterday.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-Loop-Guitar-Effects-Pedal-Switcher-Looper-Router-Looping-System-WAVE-X-PXL4-/280879155477

the gigrig do these: http://www.thegigrig.com/acatalog/SWS_QuarterMaster.html

Carl martin do these: http://www.carlmartin.com/product_octaswitch_MK_2.htm

Voodoo labs do this : http://www.voodoolab.com/switcher.htm

I suppose my point is that quite a few companies are selling things like this (gigrig and voodoo labs are closest to my thoughts) so why would they do so if there is literally no need or customer demand/requirement?

I'm not a total sucker as far as gear goes, i know what sounds good and have tried many many things. I still cant get away from the fact that guitar into amp is better than guitar into TB looper (i HAD a road rage 4 channel looper) or guitar through a string of pedals into my amp (Mesa Boogie Mark V) its not just the brightness either, the amp responds differently to the guitar than it does to guitar with pedals between it and the amp- this is probably an impedance thing.

I was hoping that this would be something useful to other people to as i cant be the only one who has this realisation. I also wasn't suggesting that a programmed pic chip was the way to go, relays are fairly easy to get hold of and certainly don't cost 10-$20.

But, there can be arguments made for at least one good buffer in a looper and maybe in each loop for some people. Options are never a bad thing and a simple op-amp buffer is easy to build, cost-effective and very low part count. Nice thing about it is you can turn a buffer into an awesome (mild) clean boost with one added pot and a switch...that's all there is to it!

SO do you think there could be the opportunity to build a relay based switching buffer with boost? itd be cool to have it like the road rage so that you populate it based on your own personal needs ie if you need the buffer, add the parts, if you need the boost likewise.

Hey maybe you could call it the KOOL AID in honour of me drinking the beverage?

I wondered whether this was necessary, i suppose i was trying to apply some (albeit limited) knowledge i have of capacitance in cable and just wanted to suggest the 'BEST' options, i.e. a luxury pedal switcher/looper.

I think the relay switching adds masses of value, i say this because although i have great quality cables (lava soar) and patch leads the combined effect is still a low pass filter as you put it. Guitar____> amp is always better for my ears but i love pedals so what do you do?

I love the things brian has offered, the road rage is an amazingly versatile piece of kit and it has been used in lots of my builds for voltage inverting, power doubling etc id see a relay pcb/boost/buffer board as another versatile tone tool.

I just thought a modular relay switching thingymabob with a clean boost option in it to level volume outputs would add something to most players boards that they don't already have. I certainly know that i'd buy some and considering the success of people like voodoo labs, the gigrig etc it seems that many others do to.

One thing, you kind of lost me here:

When the boards are added to the enclosure/strip itd be nice if there was an ability to use the same sort of centre conductor found in good quality guitar cables to hook the boards together in the looper, i.e. a bigger hole in the board for better internal wiring.

Can you show an example of what you are talking about?

Sorry i wasn't too clear, what i meant was this: the wire we build our pedals with (even the good stuff) is thin and of a quality below the same stuff found in guitar cables (which is thicker, OFC high purity  etc etc) so when you daisy chain pedals the wire within the pedals and switches negatively adds to the tone suck on the signal.

It'd be nice to upgrade the wire within a looper so that in bypass the signal goes in from your cable passes through a similar type of wire (id strip a centre conductor from a high quality guitar lead but you could buy this wire I'm sure)  connected to the relay board then to the input and output jacks before going to the amp through the guitar cable. Not sure if any of that would be necessary but it'd be a nice option to have. The reason i mentioned it separately is because a wire of this type would be significantly thicker than the 24AWG wire i usually use and as such would need a bigger solder pad/hole.

Any chance you could offer something like this Brian. essentially it'd be great if you could offer a board that could act as a relay based switching looper for use with momentary switches. The idea i have is the board would be modular so that the builder could add as many as they want into a strip 1-8 etc. There could be a built in buffer on the board that was switchable via toggles or a flat response clean boost to give low volume pedals (vintage chorus/fuzz etc) some oomph after the loop. When the boards are added to the enclosure/strip itd be nice if there was an ability to use the same sort of centre conductor found in good quality guitar cables to hook the boards together in the looper, i.e. a bigger hole in the board for better internal wiring. essentially this would mean that the looper wouldn't add or take anything away form a straight through cable to amp setup becoming almost invisible/ correcting the errors of long cable runs?

I suppose essentially what I'm trying to ask is, can you offer this sort of thing so that as diy enthusiasts we could build our own transparent highly efficient loopers that when disengaged make the effects loops invisible to the amp.

yup, ive got my tubes ready for the roast!

bugger, was just gonna buy two percolators   !