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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: pietro_moog on November 16, 2017, 01:28:20 PM

Title: Buffer before Ge pedals?? RM is crazy
Post by: pietro_moog on November 16, 2017, 01:28:20 PM
Hi guys. I have 3 Ge pedals: ToneBender mk3, FuzzFace, Rangemaster.
Every time they get a pedal in front of them, they get crazy! TB and FF are fine, I like them this way; but the RM is a mess! It sounds like a cooked wah and with a buffer before becomes a treble nightmare.
Why is that? What can i do about it? Should i embrace this and build a buffer inside, therefore adjusting LP and HI pass filters?
Title: Re: Buffer before Ge pedals?? RM is crazy
Post by: midwayfair on November 16, 2017, 01:36:51 PM
Explained in here: http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/fuzzface/fffram.htm
and here: http://www.geofex.com/Article_Folders/Rangemaster/drm.htm

It has to do with the low input impedance loading the guitar.
Title: Re: Buffer before Ge pedals?? RM is crazy
Post by: pietro_moog on November 16, 2017, 03:20:04 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: Buffer before Ge pedals?? RM is crazy
Post by: Muadzin on November 16, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
You'd think that in this day and age, when they can send space probes to Pluto and beyond, that there would be a solution for finicky germanium transistor fuzzes so that you can place them wherever you want in the signal chain.
Title: Re: Buffer before Ge pedals?? RM is crazy
Post by: Ralfg on November 16, 2017, 09:46:46 PM
Have you seen the following article from amzfx?
http://www.muzique.com/lab/pickups.htm (http://www.muzique.com/lab/pickups.htm) using a transformer to simulate pickups between input and output buffers.

And here is a gut shot of the Earthquaker Devices Eruptor, which might be actually using this technique.
(https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57cebe2c03596e075fca5f24/58ffa766197aeae1d5f24f4e/58ffab664d72ff438a9ba1ac/1502201563822/Erupter-8.jpg)

Title: Re: Buffer before Ge pedals?? RM is crazy
Post by: Muadzin on November 17, 2017, 11:23:30 PM
Quote from: Ralfg on November 16, 2017, 09:46:46 PM
Have you seen the following article from amzfx?
http://www.muzique.com/lab/pickups.htm (http://www.muzique.com/lab/pickups.htm) using a transformer to simulate pickups between input and output buffers.

I've seen, I've experimented with it, it worked. Such a setup should be pretty much mandatory for fuzz designs IMO. At the least switchable in or out the circuit.

QuoteAnd here is a gut shot of the Earthquaker Devices Eruptor, which might be actually using this technique.

Another reason to love EQD.  8) Topmounts and possibly this impedance design!