..what are your thoughts about this...
https://youtu.be/txuOROqif7Q (https://youtu.be/txuOROqif7Q)
I wonder if Boss knows about this.......
BOOM!
Cody
It's an odd marriage, but if it works for everybody, more power to 'em.
Well, at least its not 900$ like Boss's last stunt.....
Quote from: selfdestroyer on September 08, 2017, 11:31:49 PM
I wonder if Boss knows about this.......
BOOM!
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Quote from: jimilee on September 09, 2017, 12:19:33 AM
Quote from: selfdestroyer on September 08, 2017, 11:31:49 PM
I wonder if Boss knows about this.......
BOOM!
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Quote from: selfdestroyer on September 08, 2017, 11:31:49 PM
I wonder if Boss knows about this.......
BOOM!
Cody
Lol lol lol
Dang. Good for him. For all the JHS BS, this is essentially getting called up to the majors from AAA ball.
That being said, it's just stacking ODs. and using a fancy switching idea we've all done before.
The difference is placement and access.
Josh did whatever it took to place himself so that he could have access to the powers that be to get into this position to be able to sit next to the king (Boss). That's the market, and good on him for getting it done.
So if I'm reading this correctly its an MI Audio Crunch Box JHS Angry Charlie (sorry, forgot about that extra cap) in line with a Blues Driver?
Well, at least at 200$ you're saving money over buying both pedals separately. That's something.
Watching some of the reviews it actually sounds pretty good. No big fan of JHS at all, but the two drives are a good combo. I've been wanting to build a Blues Driver...
Quote from: selfdestroyer on September 08, 2017, 11:31:49 PM
I wonder if Boss knows about this.......
BOOM!
Cody
You're a bad man, LOL!
The start of that vid was like a making off documentary of a new Hollywood blockbuster, where all the actors and directors blow smoke up each other's ass, for all being so great and wonderful and stuff.
I've always been impressed by Boss' engineering. They are proper engineers and their biggest asset also their Achilles heel. From what I hear through the grapevine the company is struggling and looking to reinvent itself, but doesn't really know how. This seems to be the latest attempt, and it's quite smart. They are piggybacking on the booteek name of JHS which gets street cred for true bypass switching and other stuff that Boss doesn't understand why people would ever want it (because to Boss that is electronically just a very bad idea). JHS on the other hand gets launched into stratosphere as a big player.
So in all this is a partnership for mutual benefit: Boss benefits just as much as JHS. Boss is out of touch with the market and that is what JHS brings to the table.
MXR has done some collabs, if I am not mistaken. Not a huge big deal to me. Some people see Josh as a ripoff artist, I personally don't care, the stuff he makes is quality, reguardless of who he "stole" from. If BOSS wants to diversify and collab, why not.
All I know is that the MI Audio guy has to be mad about this.
JHS had a great version of the madbean zero point super deluxe. I wonder if they'll bring it back since Brian discontinued it. I probably shouldn't have called them on it.
Quote from: culturejam on September 10, 2017, 01:23:42 AM
All I know is that the MI Audio guy has to be mad about this.
Yeah, kinda feel for that guy.
I wasn't around back in the day but I don't know that JHS is doing much different than a lot of boutique companies. I did hear that he tried to convince people he put laborious hours of blood sweat and tears painstakingly perfecting circuits that just ended up being pretty straightforward clones of other stuff. I think that is what rubs people the wrong way. He was pretending he was starting from scratch where in reality he just modded other people's designs.
Question: What happened to the JB-1?
I guess since they teamed up with JHS, it had to be a number 2...
(Maybe this will be a straight flush? Depends how long they can float the idea.)
Quote from: lars on September 10, 2017, 05:38:30 AM
Question: What happened to the JB-1?
I guess since they teamed up with JHS, it had to be a number 2...
Seems to be a Boss thing, where they try to create the illusion that its part of a longer standing series or something. They didn't always do it, the early pedals started normally with 1, but nowadays almost every new release starts with 2.
Quote from: lars on September 10, 2017, 05:38:30 AM
Question: What happened to the JB-1?
It was codenamed "Crunchbox".
I think it's actually a reference to the BD-2 that the Angry Charlie is paired with.
Quote from: culturejam on September 10, 2017, 01:23:42 AM
All I know is that the MI Audio guy has to be mad about this.
Why would he? The Crunch Box is just a slightly modified Guv'nor again ...
Quote from: WormBoy on September 10, 2017, 08:39:39 PM
Why would he? The Crunch Box is just a slightly modified Guv'nor again ...
And the GuvNor is just a couple op amps in series with diode clipping and a tonestack. Basically a fancy Distotion+. Nothing that already wasn't being done.
Quote from: culturejam on September 10, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
And the GuvNor is just a couple op amps in series with diode clipping and a tonestack. Basically a fancy Distotion+. Nothing that already wasn't being done.
IMO, the step from Distortion+ to Guv'nor is bigger than from Guv'nor to Crunch Box. But not sure if the Guv'nor wasn't tweaked from another design with two opamp stages and LEDs as hard clippers. In any case, a large part of the commercial pedal world seems to revolve around making minor tweaks followed by substantial marketing hype. They found, and exploit, the guitarist's weak spot ???.
Quote from: WormBoy on September 11, 2017, 10:19:05 AM
In any case, a large part of the commercial pedal world seems to revolve around making minor tweaks followed by substantial marketing hype. They found, and exploit, the guitarist's weak spot ???.
We are generally in agreement here.
My point was that MI looked at the Guv'Nor and said, "How can I take this core sound, simplify the set of controls and tweak it a little to make it more my own, but without losing the basic character of the circuit?"
JHS looked at the Crunchbox and said: "Hey look, somebody did my R&D for me!" (allegedly)
Quote from: culturejam on September 11, 2017, 11:48:04 AM
My point was that MI looked at the Guv'Nor and said, "How can I take this core sound, simplify the set of controls and tweak it a little to make it more my own, but without losing the basic character of the circuit?"
Looks like MI Audio have changed their mind about simplifcation with the version 2: http://miaudio.com/effects/super-crunch-box-distortion-v-2/ (http://miaudio.com/effects/super-crunch-box-distortion-v-2/) :D. Not sure if I get your point though; I can't see a real difference between "little tweaking to an existing design" and "letting others do your R&D" ... Might be a difference in degree, but not in kind. Anyways, would be nice if pedal companies would cite their influences, and give credit where credit is due. But capitalism and honesty don't play well together ;D.
I see a distinction in this case, but I acknowledge that others may not. When I first started getting into FSB, I saw everything boutique as expensive copies of old stuff (with a few notable exceptions). Then I started ripping things apart myself and analyzing things, and in *some* cases I could see some thought/nuance. And now, my view is that circuit design is actually the easiest part of a commercial pedal operation; design manufacturing, customer support, marketing, vendor relations, cash flow management, bookkeeping, and all that shit is much more challenging and it never goes away. And I think that's why guys who are good at the latter survive and flourish, even if they totally phone it on the former. Having a great original idea alone is not enough.
That's a separate issue from the ethics of cloning, of course. Taking someone else's circuit and using it virtually as-is (mistakes and all, sometimes) without attribution is unscrupulous and unsavory, in my opinion. I'll never be involved in any product that is a direct clone (or close mod) unless that fact is clearly disclosed.
Quote from: culturejam on September 11, 2017, 01:28:04 PM
And now, my view is that circuit design is actually the easiest part of a commercial pedal operation; design manufacturing, customer support, marketing, vendor relations, cash flow management, bookkeeping, and all that shit is much more challenging and it never goes away. And I think that's why guys who are good at the latter survive and flourish, even if they totally phone it on the former. Having a great original idea alone is not enough.
I think that's hitting the nail on the head. Not that I am saying that circuit design would be easy for me (let alone an original one), but I am running a small business myself (not music-related in any way), and that gives a better appreciation of what it takes to make a living as entrepreneur. If I look at my own pedal building, I am very, very, happy to keep it as a hobby ;D. To run such an operation on a commercial scale,
and make a decent living ... it looks like an immense challenge to me.
Quote from: culturejam on September 11, 2017, 01:28:04 PM
That's a separate issue from the ethics of cloning, of course. Taking someone else's circuit and using it virtually as-is (mistakes and all, sometimes) without attribution is unscrupulous and unsavory, in my opinion.
I totally agree, although I could also see that there is a temptation to cut corners on that aspect if it's your livelihood that's at stake ... Then again, I cannot see why it would have to be so bad for business to clarify that you took an existing design and improved upon it ... Conclusion must be that guitarists want to buy a dream rather than a tool.
Quote from: Muadzin on September 10, 2017, 08:02:06 PM
Seems to be a Boss thing, where they try to create the illusion that its part of a longer standing series or something. They didn't always do it, the early pedals started normally with 1, but nowadays almost every new release starts with 2.
Maybe Boss is being honest and admitting that the first version of everything has already been done.
Quote from: jimilee on September 10, 2017, 02:10:06 AM
JHS had a great version of the madbean zero point super deluxe. I wonder if they'll bring it back since Brian discontinued it. I probably shouldn't have called them on it.
Which one was that? Pink panther?
Quote from: culturejam on September 11, 2017, 01:28:04 PM
I see a distinction in this case, but I acknowledge that others may not. When I first started getting into FSB, I saw everything boutique as expensive copies of old stuff (with a few notable exceptions). Then I started ripping things apart myself and analyzing things, and in *some* cases I could see some thought/nuance. And now, my view is that circuit design is actually the easiest part of a commercial pedal operation; design manufacturing, customer support, marketing, vendor relations, cash flow management, bookkeeping, and all that shit is much more challenging and it never goes away. And I think that's why guys who are good at the latter survive and flourish, even if they totally phone it on the former. Having a great original idea alone is not enough.
I think that basically that applies to music in general as well. It's not good enough to just have a good song, or just be a good musician. The world is full of good music and good musicians that nobody has heard about. There is however no shortage of bad to average musicians who are very successful in the music industry, because they are good at all the other aspects that go into being successful.
Quote from: culturejam on September 10, 2017, 08:15:26 PM
Quote from: lars on September 10, 2017, 05:38:30 AM
Question: What happened to the JB-1?
It was codenamed "Crunchbox".
lol
Honestly i am 150% underwhelmed. Wait so BOSS is gonna put out
another over drive / dynamic distortion / boost pedal. WOW i never would have guessed (sarcasm implied). Yawn, wake me when they put out something cool.
Actually, Boss has tried many cool and unusual things and...they just don't sell. Somehow, newly marketed overdrives create a hype that other effects just don't.
Just wanted to let you guys know that Function f(x) will be offering an official mod service for the BOSS JB-2, complete with a large, garish sticker to complete the metaphorical territorial pissing.
Look for that this fall.
j/k ........................... probably
someone on TGP (I lurk sometimes and laugh) wondered if JHS would offer a mod for this. Lol
But you know, as hard as it is to run a successful pedal business, it really takes a Kirk Hammet to do it right, being a guitar player and all ::)
Is the Crayon based on another pedal?
it is believed that due to the guy's inability to innovate that the colour box (and by extension the crayon) is based on an existing diy neve preamp. I'm not even worried about being right about that. if I am not then kudos for finally coming up with something on your own.
I've been curious about how the Colour Box is supposed to work. Isn't the idea to get the sound of plugging straight into the board? Then wouldn't there be no filtering from the cabinet? How do you recreate that when running through an amp with a cab? Maybe with some sort of reverse cabsim?
Quote from: culturejam on September 12, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
Just wanted to let you guys know that Function f(x) will be offering an official mod service for the BOSS JB-2, complete with a large, garish sticker to complete the metaphorical territorial pissing.
Look for that this fall.
j/k ........................... probably
I suppose this mod will be to convert the JB-2 to sound like an original Blues Driver by eliminating the Angry Charlie circuit... ;D
Quote from: Frank_NH on September 15, 2017, 02:13:46 AM
Quote from: culturejam on September 12, 2017, 08:37:42 PM
Just wanted to let you guys know that Function f(x) will be offering an official mod service for the BOSS JB-2, complete with a large, garish sticker to complete the metaphorical territorial pissing.
Look for that this fall.
j/k ........................... probably
I suppose mod this will be to convert the JB-2 to sound like an original Blues Driver by eliminating the Angry Charlie circuit... ;D
Exactly. It will be called "JB2 Minus 1"
Until now, haven't heard a good sounding demo of this pedal in youtube.
what wrong with me? hahaha
Quote from: Frank_NH on September 15, 2017, 02:13:46 AM
I suppose mod this will be to convert the JB-2 to sound like an original Blues Driver by eliminating the Angry Charlie circuit... ;D
So an extra hundred bucks to mod the pedal... by turning the right side knob to "Boss" and cutting the shaft off.
I can actually believe that.
Quote from: somnif on September 15, 2017, 06:45:55 AM
Quote from: Frank_NH on September 15, 2017, 02:13:46 AM
I suppose mod this will be to convert the JB-2 to sound like an original Blues Driver by eliminating the Angry Charlie circuit... ;D
So an extra hundred bucks to mod the pedal... by turning the right side knob to "Boss" and cutting the shaft off.
Oooohhhhhhh daaaaaaaaammmmmmmnn.