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Title: 90phase
Post by: wgc on April 30, 2014, 02:37:34 AM
I had a friend ask me to build him a phase 90.   

We go back about 30 years, sounded like fun, no deadline, so I used it as an opportunity to do an SMD layout for 1590a. 

(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa361/wgc2005/90phase1.jpg)

(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa361/wgc2005/90phase2.jpg)

(http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa361/wgc2005/90phase3.jpg)

I remembered a post regarding the jfet dual packages and put them to use here. 
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=13182.15

FYI I did no matching, pulled them out of the strip and soldered them in.  A lower trimmer value might be worth trying.  Anyway, it worked out great!  That said, YMMV.

I could probably do a bit more on the layout and route things in a way that is a bit cleaner, but I don't mind vias too much as long as the traces don't get too crazy. 

I could probably come up with a more efficient top/bottom side parts approach too, but hey, I've got things to do and people to see.   ;)

Oh yeah, the other thing is I had a scary moment when I first tried to fire it up.  It didn't work, powered up but no sound unless bypassed, and crazy dim led.  Much head scratching ensued, I started to ohm things out, and then realized my mistake...  I turned the 3PDT 90 deg when I was working on the layout.  Seemed like a good idea at the time, except I completely forgot that I did so when I soldered in the switch.   

Much swearing and sweating later, I turned the switch, soldered it in, and swooshy goodness came out right away.  Yes, I am truly blessed, but I tweaked the trim pot anyway. 

Powdercoat and graphics by me, powder is granny smith dormant green, laser etched and back filled with black acrylic paint.

Building the second one for my friend very soon.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: pickdropper on April 30, 2014, 02:54:19 AM
Coooooool.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on April 30, 2014, 03:06:28 AM
Thanks Dave!  You've been a big inspiration...!
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: pickdropper on April 30, 2014, 03:10:47 AM
Quote from: wgc on April 30, 2014, 03:06:28 AM
Thanks Dave!  You've been a big inspiration...!

If I've played any part in inspiring the work you've been showing off, I take that as a huge compliment.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on April 30, 2014, 03:18:21 AM
Huge inspiration, mega huge compliments to you. 

BTW I will be posting my builds of your pcbs soon, way overdue.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: GrindCustoms on April 30, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
That got lots of awesomeness content, great work!

So if i understand correctly what you are saying about the SMT dual pack JFET, chances are that the each individual packaging are a matched set?
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: pickdropper on April 30, 2014, 03:38:55 AM
Quote from: GrindCustoms on April 30, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
That got lots of awesomeness content, great work!

So if i understand correctly what you are saying about the SMT dual pack JFET, chances are that the each individual packaging are a matched set?

That hasn't been the case of the single package FETs I've seen, but maybe the duals are different. 

It doesn't surprise me that both FETs within the package match well.  I'm really surprised that you can randomly grab two duals and have them match.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: GrindCustoms on April 30, 2014, 04:13:18 AM
Quote from: pickdropper on April 30, 2014, 03:38:55 AM
Quote from: GrindCustoms on April 30, 2014, 03:18:58 AM
That got lots of awesomeness content, great work!

So if i understand correctly what you are saying about the SMT dual pack JFET, chances are that the each individual packaging are a matched set?

That hasn't been the case of the single package FETs I've seen, but maybe the duals are different. 

It doesn't surprise me that both FETs within the package match well.  I'm really surprised that you can randomly grab two duals and have them match.

Agreed about grabbing 2 packs and have them matching, but for phase45... this makes it quite awesome!
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: chuckbuick on April 30, 2014, 05:31:49 AM
That looks great, Billy.  All around.  The board mounted 3PDT is a nice time saver, too.  What size are D1 and D2?
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: jubal81 on April 30, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
This is just outstanding on several levels. I'm blown away.

Any chance we can hear it in action?
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: selfdestroyer on April 30, 2014, 08:40:28 AM
I love that color and the laser etch looks so awesome. Can I ask how you applied the black acrylic? Did you wipe it on or brush it? I am trying to get the same results with some etched enclosures.

Cody
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on April 30, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
Thx guys!  Really fun build, except the switch part.

Mark, I think I used mini melfs but with 1206 pads. I can check later.

Cody, I just wipe it on, let it dry a little bit past tacky, and then I use a damp cloth to clean the parts I don't want to have fill.  The hard part is keeping paint in large flat sections, since it can wipe out easily while cleaning up the other areas.  Which is why I added some noise/texture here to the graphic before lasering.  Also, I use a tube of pro artist acrylic, not the hobby style that you get for a buck.  I think the pro stuff is about $5 but it will last a long time. Don't worry too much about getting the excess off if it dries too much, you can still do it but it takes a little more effort.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: selfdestroyer on April 30, 2014, 07:44:51 PM
Quote from: wgc on April 30, 2014, 12:15:03 PM
Cody, I just wipe it on, let it dry a little bit past tacky, and then I use a damp cloth to clean the parts I don't want to have fill.  The hard part is keeping paint in large flat sections, since it can wipe out easily while cleaning up the other areas.  Which is why I added some noise/texture here to the graphic before lasering.  Also, I use a tube of pro artist acrylic, not the hobby style that you get for a buck.  I think the pro stuff is about $5 but it will last a long time. Don't worry too much about getting the excess off if it dries too much, you can still do it but it takes a little more effort.

Thanks for taking the time to explain your process. I will definitely give this a try.

Cody
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: Leevibe on April 30, 2014, 08:21:03 PM
Wow. I'm blown away by every aspect of that build. Great work in and out!
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on May 01, 2014, 01:53:40 AM
Thx Lee!

My pleasure Cody. I've been thinking of trying a squeegee to use while the paint is wet, just need a squeegee...
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: nzCdog on May 01, 2014, 02:01:51 AM
Dang that's sweet. love the gutshot too, nice work
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on May 01, 2014, 02:47:46 AM
Quote from: jubal81 on April 30, 2014, 08:03:33 AM
This is just outstanding on several levels. I'm blown away.

Any chance we can hear it in action?

Thanks so much!  I will try to get a clip up of some of these soon. My phone is probably my best bet but at the moment but I've got about 5m free... Gotta clean house!
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: Vallhagen on May 01, 2014, 11:58:46 AM
Some great things goin on here. Not only the pcb design, but your enclosure are exceptional as well. Very cool!
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: chuckbuick on May 01, 2014, 02:31:20 PM
Quote from: wgc on April 30, 2014, 12:15:03 PMMark, I think I used mini melfs but with 1206 pads. I can check later.
Thanks Billy.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on May 01, 2014, 05:39:12 PM
Mark- Confirmed, mini melf on 1206 pads. Melf pads usually have a little center slice taken out of them to keep the part from rolling but I didn't bother
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: DutchMF on May 01, 2014, 06:20:16 PM
This build rocks! Cool stuff that you got all that in there, with a board mounted 3PDT as well! Considering the dual JFET package: Could it be possible that the circuit functions OK with 2 pairs of JFETs that are matched within the pair (in this case the dual package) but don't match up all together? Hope I'm making sense here....

Paul
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on May 02, 2014, 12:48:12 AM
Thx Dutch!  I think I got lucky with the matching. I'll try the same on the next one. It could be that the smaller package size means tighter mfg tolerances?  Also being on a strip means they were maybe made at least in the same batch?  I think thru hole stuff sold bulk is likely from different batches though the reeled stuff might be closer. Just a crazy theory on my part.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on June 14, 2014, 02:40:19 PM
FYI I finished a second one last night and same good experience with the dual fets. That said they came from the same strip of 20 I used on the first. 

So it might be dumb luck, or it may just be that things are close enough in these packages that it will still trim effectively.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: chuckbuick on June 14, 2014, 08:36:27 PM
Quote from: wgc on June 14, 2014, 02:40:19 PM
FYI I finished a second one last night and same good experience with the dual fets. That said they came from the same strip of 20 I used on the first. 

So it might be dumb luck, or it may just be that things are close enough in these packages that it will still trim effectively.
Nice!  Are you using the J620's, Billy?
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: sonarchotic on June 14, 2014, 10:28:27 PM
Great build! This is inspiration for me to finally take on one of these smd boards I've got hanging around.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on June 14, 2014, 11:08:13 PM
Thx mark! 

I used these: http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/302/PMBFJ620-117787.pdf

Go for it sonarchotic! 
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: peAk on June 15, 2014, 01:25:49 AM
wow, incredible!!
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: flanagan0718 on June 15, 2014, 02:37:34 AM
I have never had the ambition to even attempt surface mount builds but, when I see stuff like this it make me want to try it out. Great build! Love the graphic and color choice.


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Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: wgc on June 15, 2014, 02:49:13 AM
Thx guys!

If you're interested at all, try it.  Smd is a little different technique wise but not something you can't pick up fairly quickly.

I'm thinking about doing a simple layout for people who are willing to dip their toes in, though I really have no interest in selling much, it would be for my cost and postage.  A few of the other guys have some starter boards I think too.

Got a few in the works right now that might fit the bill but need to verify. Just super busy right now and usually I'm missing an ic I thought I had.
Title: Re: 90phase
Post by: flanagan0718 on June 15, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Nice. Well, let us know when you have the layouts done, I might grab a simple one and try my hand at it.


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