I just found out that Pedal Parts Plus only sells enclosures with the minimun quantity of 25 :'(
Yeah. It's a big downer. Somebody around here posted awhile back with a link to a vape mod shop that sells powder coated enclosures. It may be a good solution. I wish I could remember the place. I'll post a link if I find it. Also stomptown was showing me that smallbear has some new colors.
https://www.modzbynasy.com/ is the site you're thinking of. It's a good solution and they offer an incredible selection of colors, but unfortunately they only offer a handful of enclosure sizes, most of which have been out of stock for some time. Definitely something to keep tabs on though, with enough interest from the DIY pedal community there's always the chance that they'll expand their offerings in the future.
I recently wanted to buy some blems from PPP and they also instated a $50 minimum order on everything.
Food for thought... Learn to love Tayda!
Whatever happened to all those sites that started catering to the DIY community and then went the "minimum order quantity" route?
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on February 11, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
Food for thought... Learn to love Tayda!
Whatever happened to all those sites that started catering to the DIY community and then went the "minimum order quantity" route?
Margins are tight no matter what. The time spent fulfilling a bunch of small orders of powder coating vs big batches is cost-prohibitive. There's a lot of time spent in setup for one-offs. That paired with the time spent with à la carte component purchases and the large volume of small shipments to send out, I can understand why it would be tough to maintain that model. Bulk sales are easier for purchasing/stocking and scheduling, as well as being easier for fulfillment. Many of the companies that do/did offer low-volume sales are very small operations.
It's definitely a shame to not have the previously available resources, but it makes sense from a business standpoint.
What about ebay and\or reverb?
https://reverb.com/item/776205-die-cast-aluminum-painted-pedal-enclosure-purple
This seems to be that persons site
https://www.newoldsounds.com/effects-parts/pedal-enclosures
"Painted enclosures are professionally powder coated "
https://reverb.com/item/31782299-1590b-enclosure-brand-new-powder-coating-and-drilling-available
https://reverb.com/shop/sweet-foot-pedals?query=enclosure
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on February 11, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
Food for thought... Learn to love Tayda!
Whatever happened to all those sites that started catering to the DIY community and then went the "minimum order quantity" route?
The problem is that the finishing on Tayda enclosures just isn't as good. If you do your own powder coating it probably doesn't matter as the enclosures seem fine.
Quote from: Invertiguy on February 11, 2020, 05:41:10 AM
https://www.modzbynasy.com/ is the site you're thinking of. It's a good solution and they offer an incredible selection of colors, but unfortunately they only offer a handful of enclosure sizes, most of which have been out of stock for some time. Definitely something to keep tabs on though, with enough interest from the DIY pedal community there's always the chance that they'll expand their offerings in the future.
Yeah. I think that's the one.
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on February 11, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
Food for thought... Learn to love Tayda!
That's not going to happen for me. I will occasionally use them for some stuff. Powder coated enclosures? I don't see it.
Quote from: harryklippton on February 11, 2020, 12:57:14 PM
I recently wanted to buy some blems from PPP and they also instated a $50 minimum order on everything.
It was nice knowing you PPP. All the best.
I see Mammoth looks to be setting up a new website ... hope they reopen with a focus on not messing up my order
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on February 11, 2020, 01:06:29 PM
Whatever happened to all those sites that started catering to the DIY community and then went the "minimum order quantity" route?
I think PPP has transitioned to being a supplier to "boutique" builders who order larger quantities. Not sure about any other ones you might be thinking of.
Really a huge bummer to see. I wish they had given a heads up so I could have grabbed a bunch of random colors before they made the change.
Also noticed, they dropped a ton of the components they were once selling. I've deleted my bookmark to their site. It's a bummer.
The good news personally is I've reached into other websites I haven't before, like Fuzz Dog and Pedal Hacker.
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Quote from: culturejam on February 12, 2020, 09:13:14 PM
I think PPP has transitioned to being a supplier to "boutique" builders who order larger quantities. Not sure about any other ones you might be thinking of.
Boutique builders want to get the lowest prices possible. They are going to Chinese bulk manufacturers/distributors.
I'm thinking of:
4Site: Initially offered powdered enclosures. Went to a bulk system. Eventually folded and spawned....
Mammoth: Went to selling bulk (not everything) and where are they now?
Just a few examples.
We still have Tayda and SBE. There ar eothers however, those 2 are the most commonly used. Try to remember that a lot of us do not 'build-to-sell' so Tayda is a good option.
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on February 13, 2020, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: culturejam on February 12, 2020, 09:13:14 PM
I think PPP has transitioned to being a supplier to "boutique" builders who order larger quantities. Not sure about any other ones you might be thinking of.
Boutique builders want to get the lowest prices possible. They are going to Chinese bulk manufacturers/distributors.
I'm thinking of:
4Site: Initially offered powdered enclosures. Went to a bulk system. Eventually folded and spawned....
Mammoth: Went to selling bulk (not everything) and where are they now?
Just a few examples.
We still have Tayda and SBE. There ar eothers however, those 2 are the most commonly used. Try to remember that a lot of us do not 'build-to-sell' so Tayda is a good option.
I've looked into buying directly from China. It's usually a pretty significant investment to hit the MOQs. PPP can be tough to deal with at times, but many boutique builders still don't want to buy 1000 enclosures at a clip, so PPP fills that middle void.
But what about one-off suppliers... Are there any left(other than tayda)? Wasn't there discussion on another post about someone may start stocking limited colors?
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on February 13, 2020, 12:52:39 PM
Quote from: culturejam on February 12, 2020, 09:13:14 PM
I think PPP has transitioned to being a supplier to "boutique" builders who order larger quantities. Not sure about any other ones you might be thinking of.
Boutique builders want to get the lowest prices possible. They are going to Chinese bulk manufacturers/distributors.
I'm thinking of:
4Site: Initially offered powdered enclosures. Went to a bulk system. Eventually folded and spawned....
Mammoth: Went to selling bulk (not everything) and where are they now?
Just a few examples.
We still have Tayda and SBE. There ar eothers however, those 2 are the most commonly used. Try to remember that a lot of us do not 'build-to-sell' so Tayda is a good option.
To be fair I believe there are several companies who make sure their stuff is built in the USA. Wampler and Earthquaker come to mind but I know there are others.
Quote from: Matmosphere on February 14, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
To be fair I believe there are several companies who make sure their stuff is built in the USA. Wampler and Earthquaker come to mind but I know there are others.
Honestly... "Built in the USA" can mean a LOT of things.
American car companies stamp "Built in the USA" on a lot of their vehicles however, if you look under the hood you will see a lot of "Made in China" or "Heche en Mexico."
Maybe it's time to go to a Group Buys model like the forms sometimes do with PCB's?
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Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on February 14, 2020, 06:01:16 PM
Quote from: Matmosphere on February 14, 2020, 05:12:42 PM
To be fair I believe there are several companies who make sure their stuff is built in the USA. Wampler and Earthquaker come to mind but I know there are others.
Honestly... "Built in the USA" can mean a LOT of things.
American car companies stamp "Built in the USA" on a lot of their vehicles however, if you look under the hood you will see a lot of "Made in China" or "Heche en Mexico."
You are right that "Built in the USA" often means a lot of things, but really it shouldn't. There are hard defined rules by the FTC on what constitutes "Made in the USA." For electronics (pedals included), it's incredibly difficult to quality for true Made in the USA status because the majority of electronic components are not manufactured in the US. To my knowledge, even most enclosures are manufactured out of the US (I believe Hammond is strictly Canada, but it's possible they have a US presence).
Wampler and Earthquaker are more certainly "Assembled in the USA" which is still a differentiator vs. "Made in China." If they are able to source enclosures locally, they would still likely only qualify for "Assembled (or Build) in the USA with Foreign and Domestic Parts."
Now, many companies claim full "Made in the USA" status, even though it's actually an enforceable FTC violation, they just haven't been dinged because they've slid under the radar. Others use language more vaguely with claims like "Hand Crafted in the USA" or "Bespoke, Artisanal Pedals Lovingly Built in the USA" which somewhat implies that it was built in the USA with US-sourced parts, but really just means that it was assembled here.
I'd love to see that car example in real life as that would be a clear violation of the FTC rules and car makes are generally big enough to be noticed.
That's probably more than anybody wanted to know, but oh well.