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I'm still getting requests everyday for it even though it sold out three or so weeks ago. Should I make one more batch available or stick to the plan of discontinuing it with the other ones? I know there are people that did not get one because they sold out too quickly.

more more more

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REVISED - seriously, I'd prefer the new projects.  There are so many cool things on deck for me to build, I'm smiling big time.  Look forward !  Do new stuff, have fun Bean.

I personally feel the madness will never end since its such an awesome oppurtunity to build a good sounding project at an afforable price. It's something I'd like to see stick around especially if there's no legal issues surrounding the project, but not to be the focus at the moment. I'd personally like to see more of your designs with how I like all the modifications your doing before you release a project. How do you feel about it Brian?

I'm much more interested in the new projects.  Although, I would think that the sunking attracts new DIYer's which could turn into long term customers...

Josh

Quote from: gtr2 on July 07, 2011, 06:05:09 PM
I'm much more interested in the new projects.  Although, I would think that the sunking attracts new DIYer's which could turn into long term customers...

Josh

I feel exactly the same way as Josh. I am completely all for original projects but I think this circuit is somewhat of a special case. It's always on high demand and like Magic said, it's an awesome project to work specially when it can be built at a much much more affordable price.

I'm sorry to be repetitive haha But I do agree with the comments. So, my vote is for re-instating the Sunking (not just one batch :))


-Kaleb

I think the Sunking is the thing that brings people here, I know it was at the top of the list of builds I'm working through. I couldn't afford to buy a 'real' one secondhand and they'd stopped being made by the time I was seriously thinking of buying one.

But I don't want to see Brian getting heat from the original manufacturers for producing straight clone boards. As the original pedal is due to return some time 'soon' (although it's quite late already) and rumoured to be cheaper - maybe the Sunking should stay in retirement.

Or you could see it as an incentive to learn to etch.  ::)

But this is coming from someone who has already made one. If I hadn't, I know what side I'd be on.

Quote from: bigmufffuzzwizz on July 07, 2011, 05:14:21 PM
I personally feel the madness will never end since its such an awesome oppurtunity to build a good sounding project at an afforable price. It's something I'd like to see stick around especially if there's no legal issues surrounding the project, but not to be the focus at the moment.

+1

yes please, i'm on the other side of the fence and would like to build one. I have done a vero already but i never got that to work very well. there were always issues with copper tracks and the dual gang pot wiring. it works now, but i'm not sure if "this is is" you know?

would def. buy one.

I'd definitely be interested in a couple more boards!

im  very interested on the new projects, but i think I've missed the oportunity of making such a great pedal. my vote is for more sunkings, please.
BTW, this is my first message in the forun; Hello everybody.

Quote from: fuzzzz on July 07, 2011, 10:08:40 PM
BTW, this is my first message in the forun; Hello everybody.

Howdy!  Welcom to the forum!!  :D

I was too late to get my first one, so ummmmm, yes please.

while I am more Interested in the new projects. The klon Is discontinued. And bills new pedal coming out is a different circuit so I don't see what the harm In putting out a pcb of a severely overpriced(used) out of production pedal. I'd buy a few more just to experiment with.

I think I already bought as many Sunking boards as I'd want (that is, 2). But...  :-*

I'd have conflicted opinions, on one hand I'd like to build one to see what the fuss is about, but on the other hand you made a well thought out and respected decision, so you have every right to stick by it.
I wouldn't want to see you becoming a slave to a single PCB, so to speak.

Just my opinion though.

I say maybe because it is intriguing and may pull in customers (my first build was the grapevine, still my favorite)  but I don't think the demand would really ever be satisfied.

Unrelated-- Brian! if I come to Nashville, can I come hang out? Because I just crossed the state line heading your way

Only kidding

But seriously...

I wouldn't mind getting one or two more just to make for friends, but I'd rather see more time spent on the original designs.

I think a good compromise would be to get the etching tutorial up and going, so that people who wanted to get into etching could just etch themselves a Sunking. At the same time, maybe do one more batch to get some new customers into the doors and potentially become repeat customers, and also for those who would rather pass on etching their own.

My 2 cents

I think that the Sunking is a project that isn't very beginner friendly (all the odd values and high parts count etc.)

Therefore if you reinstate it I think there may be more interest from people looking to make clones and sell them on than there would be from new people to the site looking to make their own version for personal use. Plus didn't you get rid of it because you were getting some heat about selling the board? I wouldn't want to put you in an uncomfortable position again.


I'm more excited by your original projects and the general course that the projects seem to be taking anyway. My favourite builds so far have been the Rump Roast and Double Flush (although the Faultline is a mighty fine circuit :) )

I would quiet like one to see what all the fuss is about, but I fear i'd be in over my head with it, still being a n00b.

The new projects have me more excited though, especially with the video clips.

I do agree that keeping it around will get new customers in the door, it was a clone (Zombi) that first introduced me to madbeanpedals.com But if there is pressure from the original manufacturer, I'd say it's not worth your time in hassle when you could put it to better use inventing your own cool original pedals. 

Just my £0.0125295, at current exchange rate.

Phil

Quote from: raulduke on July 08, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
I think that the Sunking is a project that isn't very beginner friendly (all the odd values and high parts count etc.)

Therefore if you reinstate it I think there may be more interest from people looking to make clones and sell them on than there would be from new people to the site looking to make their own version for personal use. Plus didn't you get rid of it because you were getting some heat about selling the board? I wouldn't want to put you in an uncomfortable position again.


I'm more excited by your original projects and the general course that the projects seem to be taking anyway. My favourite builds so far have been the Rump Roast and Double Flush (although the Faultline is a mighty fine circuit :) )

+1

Just to clarify, it was not discontinued due to any outside pressure at all. I simply chose to include in the group I discontinued because of other factors.

Another possibility is an alternate, streamlined version. I've kicked that around for quite some time...actually, it's mostly built. I kinda doubt that many would be interested in that when they could just build the real deal.

Point being, I am neither for or against offering some more of them as a one time final fling. The decision to discontinue it was made after the last batch had been ordered. Had I known at the time, I would have gotten some more.

Anyway, lots to think on here. Thanks for the feedback. :)

Had every intention of ordering one...
Got up... made some coffee...
Went to the computer...

Sold out.

Me =  :'(

One more for the road, please?

Quote from: jimmybjj on July 08, 2011, 12:04:57 PM

Quote from: raulduke on July 08, 2011, 09:00:08 AM
I think that the Sunking is a project that isn't very beginner friendly (all the odd values and high parts count etc.)

Therefore if you reinstate it I think there may be more interest from people looking to make clones and sell them on than there would be from new people to the site looking to make their own version for personal use. Plus didn't you get rid of it because you were getting some heat about selling the board? I wouldn't want to put you in an uncomfortable position again.


I'm more excited by your original projects and the general course that the projects seem to be taking anyway. My favourite builds so far have been the Rump Roast and Double Flush (although the Faultline is a mighty fine circuit :) )

+1

+2

I think you should reinstate it but impose a limit to how many someone can order at once. That way you give legit people an opportunity to buy them but make it more difficult for those who are trying to make a profit on them.

It's counter-capitalist but anti-junkbag policy.

J

Being somewhat of a NOOB, I never had a chance to build one before they were gone.  I thought they wee to complex and thought I would wait until my skills were up to par before tackling the build.

Then they were gone....  My own fault I guess, but still would like to give one a go.

Quote from: k.rock! on July 07, 2011, 06:10:44 PM

Quote from: gtr2 on July 07, 2011, 06:05:09 PM
I'm much more interested in the new projects.  Although, I would think that the sunking attracts new DIYer's which could turn into long term customers...

Josh

I feel exactly the same way as Josh. I am completely all for original projects but I think this circuit is somewhat of a special case. It's always on high demand and like Magic said, it's an awesome project to work specially when it can be built at a much much more affordable price.

I'm sorry to be repetitive haha But I do agree with the comments. So, my vote is for re-instating the Sunking (not just one batch :))


-Kaleb

^ This

It's what brought me here when a friend wanted one and I wanted to make it neat (so not on vero). I've made a few of these for myself and friends since. It's just such a good pedal.

I also experienced the downer...also got up, had the tea, went to the computer and it was sold out! bummer!

please do it once more!

An additional vote to bring back the Sunking (I'd like to build a bass friendly one, and experiment), but right now I am more interested in new Madbean projects like the Dirtbag delay?  ;D

I'd like to see this one come back eventually. I designed two enclosures for it but only ever ordered one board when the new manufactured ones first came out and missed the sale like a lot of other people.  I don't see how order limits would bother most DIYers. I can't imagine ever ordering more than 2 or 3 of the same board at a time, and only then if I have some experiment planned. Priority should be given to the new products though... still waiting for the Weener Wah, forever.

I missed out on the sale but ended up getting a spare on the forum from another graciously generous user. I originally thought you discontinued it for outside pressure but now that I learn its discontinued I don't think it would be that bad to keep it around. I have a feeling that you're not going to feed the masses with a "one last shot" stock. No matter when you cut if off, there's going to be people that just miss it and will be begging for mercy (I know, I was one of them).

I'm also interested in your new projects but I admit, it was the krankasaurus that first got me in the door and the reason I chose your site for my first project over the others that make their own original effects. I think new projects are great for everyone already in the club but I think the main reason we're so interested in them is the excellent quality and service we all experienced when we built your clones. (I bought a Q-vibe before there was even documentation, thinking it was a univibe type pedal when I bought it so I'm probably in for a surprise when I build it but I know it will still be great haha.)

I would be truly grateful if you offered the Sunking again, even if you imposed limitations on production. I started making my own pedals recently after growing tired of paying obscene prices for boutique pedals. I have been pleased with places like Madbean and BYOC for their quality products and helpful advice.

I really love the idea that a company like Madbean offers people the chance to build a pedal that would otherwise cost several hundred dollars. To me, there is something truly special about buying a PCB, sourcing the parts, soldering it all together and hearing a beautiful sound at a fraction of the price.

I don't understand the hype surrounding pedals like the Klon Centaur or King of Tone. They are great sounding pedals but not worth the amount of obsession surrounding them. This is especially true when it prevents someone who would like to build one from doing so because high demand has exceeded supply.

I found out about Madbean after growing frustrated trying to find someone selling a PCB for a Centaur clone. Another sight, not to be named, offered a PCB at an inflated price and it was not even an accurate copy of the original. By all accounts the Madbean version was the best copy available and  I decided to order one from there. However the store was closed by the time I found it and when it re opened the Sunking was gone.

If it is never to return then so be it, But I for one would like the chance to try and build it just for the sake of having done so. A limit of one per customer, wait list or even just offering it once and a while would be much better than ending production forever. I like this company and everything that it produces and my loyalty as a customer would be ensured for a long time to come if I did not feel like I had to buy of boards as fast as I could for fear of them being gone forever.

Quote from: madbean on July 08, 2011, 01:10:47 PM
Just to clarify, it was not discontinued due to any outside pressure at all. I simply chose to include in the group I discontinued because of other factors.

Another possibility is an alternate, streamlined version. I've kicked that around for quite some time...actually, it's mostly built. I kinda doubt that many would be interested in that when they could just build the real deal.

Point being, I am neither for or against offering some more of them as a one time final fling. The decision to discontinue it was made after the last batch had been ordered. Had I known at the time, I would have gotten some more.

Anyway, lots to think on here. Thanks for the feedback. :)

I think a streamlined version may be cool. Perhaps this is different enough that it could qualify as "near-original."

I think the Sunking is worthy of some big mods, Madbean style.

Quote from: aziltz on July 25, 2011, 12:11:23 AM
I think the Sunking is worthy of some big mods, Madbean style.

I think a madbean-modded sunking would be way more awesome than just having the clone pcb back.

+1  :D

+10

Quote from: petesz on July 25, 2011, 02:15:12 AM

Quote from: aziltz on July 25, 2011, 12:11:23 AM
I think the Sunking is worthy of some big mods, Madbean style.

I think a madbean-modded sunking would be way more awesome than just having the clone pcb back.

You two are right on the money. We all know Madbean does it better.  ;)

Quote from: gflobe on July 24, 2011, 09:44:21 PM
I like this company and everything that it produces and my loyalty as a customer would be ensured for a long time to come if I did not feel like I had to buy of boards as fast as I could for fear of them being gone forever.

+1

I appreciate that concern and believe me I am not discontinuing boards as a sales gimmick. Some were discontinued because I had too many hand-made ones on the roster and I could not keep up. Others were discontinued due to some external pressure, although more from my desire to move beyond clones.

I do not expect that any projects I release from here on out to fall into either of the above categories. All of the "big" projects will be manufactured which is a guarantee that I will carry them for a long time. Smaller projects will be hand-made, but released in batches. A batch may go out of stock for a while but then come back after a couple of weeks, etc.

We'll see about the Sunking. I'm not making a firm commitment either way but I have read everyone's reply carefully.

I agree with the dudes along the lines of you could make some serious mods. Maybe even put multiple diodes on the board?  Maybe even an expanded eq section! Dream big bean. You are the man!

This is pretty much what I've decided to do for now. I have something worked up and I will report back once more progress is made.

Quote from: madbean on August 06, 2011, 09:02:01 PM
This is pretty much what I've decided to do for now. I have something worked up and I will report back once more progress is made.

Great! Will it be bass-friendly too? ;D

Awesome. I can't wait to see what you come up with.

Quote from: madbean on August 06, 2011, 09:02:01 PM
This is pretty much what I've decided to do for now. I have something worked up and I will report back once more progress is made.

Very pleased with your decision.

I'm all for it.   Now i personally dont know what your financial situation currently is-  i have no idea how much it costs you to make another batch, but regarding other's requests for more new pedals i would say this:  cant you do both?  i mean it's not like you have to juggle figuring out new circuits along with figuring out the sunking's.  As a brand spanking new builder (currently almost finished with my first project- an aristocrat named "Dorothy" ) i must admit that the SOLE reason i stumbled upon madbeanpedals.com was because i was looking for a Klon board.  this is the first (and perhaps only)  site i've found that is both extremely easy to navigate, reasonably priced, and above all else  LEGIT.  so i say let people have their cake and eat it too.   But dont let it stop being fun for you madbean.  if it gets to that point then i would rather you pull back on the reigns a bit, ...of course, what the hell do i know, you could be making bank off of this! lol.   anyway, i look forward to more builds whatever you decide to supply us with.   thanks for having me.

I have purchased around ten madbean borads in the last couple of months or so but missed the sunking. I just cant buy every board at once so I chose some other builds. Since there isn't a restriction on this circuit, could you allow haberdasher to produce this board?

I also missed out on the sale. they were here today gone today. I would really appreciate a last run, or let someone reproduce them on the forum.

Make this pedal available always...keep the market price down with anyone able to make one.  I'd like a Fender Blender Clone more though.

Richard

Is the buildyourowntone version any good?

I kick myself in the but every day for not ordering the board when it was still available.
Any news ?:)

Quote from: gflobe on August 30, 2011, 10:51:53 PM
Is the buildyourowntone version any good?

Which one OD are you referring to?

     Has anyone heard anything on the "updated and Beanified" Sunking? 

     I was one of the ones that missed out on the original run of these things as they were  :(.  Then I was reading this thread and heard rumor of a Madbean version of this pedal. 

     I personally think that's an awesome idea.  The Clon was a great pedal, great tone once you found a sweet spot.  I particularly foolishly let one of the originals go because I was looking for more of a multi-tone monster that wouldn't take up so much space (my board is bigger than a guitar case as it is)!

     I LOVE the direction that MR. Bean is taking with original works as the priority.  Just like the guitarists that we all know and love, they each had or have something unique to offer.  (Not just the ability to sound like someone else we know and love :))

     What an awesome community this is and I feel proud to be a part.

I'd just like to second the requests for a modified Sunking. :)

Does the "king slayer" project have anything to do with a new sunking?

It might.

Can I be in the waiting list?

There are no waiting lists for PCBs. However, if and when it gets released there will be plenty so no one misses out.

one more time please! let us enjoy this seet tone one more time!

Id be down to rock a sunking or 3, gotta have different options for the biulds. If not though, I was going to etch my own off the layout page.

It's pretty much ready to go. I'll have it in the next batch of boards to be ordered.

Does 2 ic's mean no charge pump? Super excited! Will you offer etching artwork?
Thanks man!

Made an MK1C board (no charge pump) with Sunking part substitutions and it's absence doesn't seem to make a blind bit of difference to the tone of the circuit. Itching for these new boards!

On board clipper switching too, cool.

The switches will be wired off-board actually. I did this to save space, and honestly I'm not sure that on-board SPDTs are of much benefit having built a number of boards with them now.

The charge pump section was removed, as sprayfe points out, and there should be 9 total choices for diode configuration (with center off SDPT). I will also be including a separate "mod" BOM which changes about 50% of the values to more common ones. It also sounds a bit different: more bass, a bit more overdrive.

The two ICs will be 2272s running in 9v operation. If adding a charge pump, then probably TL072 or OPA2164.

It goes in a 1590BB vertical orientation, and should be a much more pleasant build than the Sunking (no standing resistors).

Here's a crazy idea. What if, instead of nine bajillion diode choices, it were 4 different diode options. Those would be attached to a 3p4t rotary switch. One the other two poles, you could switch the tone control range AND the bass going into the circuit. This way, you could fine tune the bass and tone of the thing depending on what diodes you have selected...it would be like having four differently voiced klons in one!

Maybe something like this!

that's an awesome idea Brian, I would jump on a few boards if you release taht for sure :)

Me likes the switching options. The more the better!

Quote from: madbean on November 14, 2011, 01:19:13 AM
Maybe something like this!

I like it!

Yeah, I think this is the way to go. While I liked that previous layout quite a bit, this switching thing justs offers up a tremendous amount of possibility. Here's the new layout idea below. All the things that can be switched (diodes, tone caps, input filtering) are lined up so that you can put in sockets. This lets you experiment easily with different combinations. I've also got it where you can do the 1590BB vertical and have the dual gain pot just under the tone pot, or horizontal if you want the three pots and the switch all in a row.

This is kinda badass!

Count me in! :)

Quote from: madbean on November 14, 2011, 02:39:18 PM

This is kinda badass!

No Kinda about it.. It IS BADASS !!!  :o

oOOOH! SNAP!

maybe it was worth the wait a tonal swiss army knife

I love where you took this! The layout looks great! Looks like it went from expert to a intermediate build even with all the added options.
Is the clean/dirt where the dual gang gain pot is connected?

This looks like such an awesome project. I. Am. Pumped.

hang on I'm not done building my v1 yet!!  :D

The switching is a great idea, looks like I'll be building at least one more of these. . .  ;D

wantwantwantwantwantwantwantwant

Quote from: G.G. on November 15, 2011, 08:26:00 PM
hang on I'm not done building my v1 yet!!  :D

The switching is a great idea, looks like I'll be building at least one more of these. . .  ;D

just send the v1 board to me and ill trade it for the new version when it comes :)

I really hope you get some more done !  i have no probs etching a single side version from the drawing but the ones you have made are in a different league and look amazing all red and printed up

Please get more made !!! :)

I love the sound of the new PCB.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/entries/icons/original/000/005/574/1726009-shut_up_and_take_my_money_super.jpg?1302576402)

<chant> Do it! Do it! Do it! </chant>

Seriously, I would be totally interested. Never did get to building the first one, but the new board intrigues me.

Please do! I didn't find this until after! :(

Quote from: 9Lives on December 14, 2011, 04:58:02 AM
Please do! I didn't find this until after! :(

I'm in the same boat, so I vote yes.
edit: although the Kingslayer looks legit, so I'd be just as happy with that

How excited am I for the Kingslayer?

Like, really stoked.  ;D

If you do another run, I'd definitely be interested.  I missed them the first time around.