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Earlier this week, one of the two pro lacrosse leagues arrived to their bubble, and all players were tested well beyond just a simple Covid test.

One of the players had tested positive in June, and was asymptomatic during his time with the virus. This week during his exam, he was shown to not be able to get enough oxygen to his heart, thus putting him at risk for his heart to go out at any moment during physical exertion.

This is a professional athlete in his prime. Regardless of anyone's feelings towards sports, we know these guys to be in peak physical shape. And he could have his heart give out at any moment, and he never showed any previous symptoms for the virus.

I don't like basing opinions on anecdotal evidence. But man, how many others right now are walking around with ticking time bombs in their chest? And how many other kinds of ticking time bombs are out there beyond just lacking oxygen to the heart?

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Update in the bean household: my wife has been sent back to WFH for the next two weeks at minimum. They gave the option to employees to do this or stay in the office. Not sure what this means for the company's future. Also, some counties in Tenn. have decided to start the school year as online but they haven't made a decision in Sumner county yet.

So, everyone is back at home again for now. In unrelated news, I am available for adoption to a good home. Require minimal feeding and watering and only occasional bathroom breaks.

Well my daughter's house sitting for a number of months so we have a spare bedroom but... border's still closed and doesn't appear many up here are in any hurry for that to change, we got us a wall.
dave

...... can poutine be shipped through the mail? I'm having withdrawals ......

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Yeah, I was reading something that suggested that the downsides of interrupting children's education and development outweigh the chance they could spread Covid. It read like propaganda.

My understanding is that that is connected to the need for support services like nutrition (for some students, school lunch is their only substantial meal) and detecting abuse that could go unspotted if children are keep at home.  As long as schools put plans in place to continue suppprting vulnerable students, then there really isn't a need to open schools for other unnamed "health benefits".

This is so spot on. Yes, domestic abuse and other similar issues have been on the rise, and that is terrible. However, claiming that returning kids to school to prevent is like putting a bandaid on a 4 inch hatchet wound, you're barely minimizing anything.

But, its in lock step with the anti-lockdown folks' playbook. I can't tell you how many people I know who were keen to shout out about how Hilary deserves to have Trump grab her by the p****, how illegal families deserved to be separated because they shouldn't have come here illegally, and now they're waiving the flag against domestic abuse??? C'mon now, no body's buying that, especially when people who have devoted their lives to combating domestic abuse don't agree with using it as a reason to open schools back up.

With all this time off, you'd think some of these sudden fighters against domestic violence could've leant a hand to the organizations that try to snuff out the root causes of it.

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So I work two jobs, one in elementary education, the other at a university, and the idea of reopening the schools is terrifying to me. Between brash self-centered college kids (through no fault of their own I might add), and children too young to understand the gravity of the situation, I'm almost guaranteed to get it. Especially considering this is in rural NW Ohio...

I'm strongly considering quitting the elementary job if they plan to open following the current guidelines that only suggest face masks for grades 3+. Over half of my day is working with kindergartners. Why on earth would I subject myself to 60 kindergartners without face masks in a community where over half the population is anti-science pandemic deniers??

I understand the fear people have of not being able to put food on the table. But having sacrificing one's health just to do so is a gross injustice. That conundrum should not exist in this situation. The system is broken. I'm not going to put my life and the life of those I value at risk just to return to playing a game that we have little say in.

Screw this. None of us should be put in this position. At this point student loans are the only thing preventing me from moving to a shack in the middle of nowhere along a river where I can be self-sustainable.


The dude does not abide...

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I'm not particularly proud of my last obscenity laden post, I try to behave in a way online that wouldn't be shameful if my little kids saw it later, but so be it in this case.

Your children don't have to condone the words you said to understand the emotions behind why you stood up for what you believe in. They'll get it if they see it.

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yeah, I know, but thanks for saying it. Anyhow my intent was not to derail this thread, there is probably better places to take my personal grievances.

Back to music, but yeah fuck racism

Understood, just providing some validation.

To get back to music - about the most peaceful thing I can muster right now. Now back to educating myself.

https://youtu.be/gp5JCrSXkJY

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I'm not particularly proud of my last obscenity laden post, I try to behave in a way online that wouldn't be shameful if my little kids saw it later, but so be it in this case.

Your children don't have to condone the words you said to understand the emotions behind why you stood up for what you believe in. They'll get it if they see it.

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Can someone please tell me which movie/television character this protester reminds me of? 

I mean, he's almost identical to some character from something I think I enjoyed watching, but I can't remember.  Thought at first it was Vulcan from the Adventures of Baron von Munchausen, but that's not quite it (too much hair).


Yes, I am happy that this is the only thing bothering me at the moment.   

Edit: This isn't it either (again, the hair):


Still thinking and searching.

Comedian Brian Posehn?

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The real "bloodbath" will occur when people start to expect the same levels of service and availability there was pre-pandemic. 

Its likely far too optimistic, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that if we have to close up for a second, much longer time, the majority of people will stop trying to resort directly back to the previous normal, and start looking to helping each other out, rather than relying on business and government so much. Communities, no matter how big or small, are always strongest when everyone supports each other.

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Yeah, we've kept cases to a manageable level but 2000 deaths a day is still way to much.

Maybe someone on here can help me understand why everyone thinks it's okay to start backing off restrictions. I don't feel like anything has really changed, so if we back off things what will keep this from all blowing up again?

From a strictly public health perspective, there is little evidence to support backing off restrictions (in the United States). The result will be that we implemented lax half-measures of containment only to ease back because modest results were noticed.

'Flattening the curve' is a public health concept designed to alter the epidemiologic curve to alleviate the stress on the health system. Avoiding a rapid spike has achieved a plateau of sustained case incidence and mortality. The measures of social-distancing and preventative closures of non-essential scenarios where people would be in sustained, close proximity to large volumes of people outside of their familial network cut down on the creation of new clusters. The health system was not catastrophically overwhelmed and materials for supportive therapy were deployed to increase capacity.

However, we're at a point of sustained incidence and mortality. Most of these efforts have been reactionary and have not included prospective measures. Backing off of the preventative interventions now will make everything that has been done thus far merely a slowing down (which was the point of distancing etc.). In public health practice, what this allows is time to develop solutions while avoiding a collapse of the health system—it is not intended to be an end unto itself. At a minimum we need to:

- Develop effective treatment beyond supportive treatment to limit in-hospital treatment time and avoid sequelae.
- Deploy robust surveillance programs that provide mechanisms for monitoring and evaluating the prevalence and incidence of the disease. Right now, testing is ad hoc and largely ignores asymptomatic patients. There is really no firm grasp on the true extent of the disease's spread. Since you can't manage what isn't measured, there are a lot of assumptions about how things are without concrete data showing how things actually are.
- Manage expectations as to what 'normal' now means. We cannot now—or probably ever—move to the same life as before. Particularly so without effective treatment, surveillance, or a vaccine. This also has massive psychological impact as people need to be able to readjust to what normal is and be able to adjust their own behavior.

What is necessary to get back to the closest semblance of our previous 'normal' is a viable, effective, and safe vaccine. There isn't conclusive evidence that persons infected with SARS-CoV-2 develop a lasting immune response that would result in immunity (on any timeline). Coronaviruses are rather insidious and do not (generally) cause a strong immune response. Early indications also show that reinfection is certainly possible.

But, the world doesn't operate according to public health programming. Economics and politics run the show. The demands of those are what is motivating us to relax the current guidelines and policies. The most likely result from doing this, though, is that all of the efforts thus far will have just put us in a limbo of sustained incidence that will give way to a larger spike. At that point, we will have to do the whole exercise over again. Countries with large case incidence that put much stronger interventions in place saw greater reduction. When the extreme measures were relaxed, they still kept basic distancing practices in place.

Very eloquently spoken and informative, thank you sir. I defer to this man from here on out

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Yeah, we've kept cases to a manageable level but 2000 deaths a day is still way to much.

Maybe someone on here can help me understand why everyone thinks it's okay to start backing off restrictions. I don't feel like anything has really changed, so if we back off things what will keep this from all blowing up again?

The clamoring to reopen the economy in the US is a result of a lot of factors, but regardless of them, it seems that most people clamoring to have everything reopened all fall into two categories: they have not been directly affected (majority), or they are cold hearted and believe the fact that everyone will die someday is a valid reason to not change their daily lives in order to protect others.

Its been really interesting to see how families react when a loved one who went off about the virus being a hoax, or blown out of proportion or whatever. When we have such a large population spread out an incredibly large swath of land, its easy to play this off as a 'them' problem, but as soon as someone they know is gone due to this, it rocks their world. Of course, this also has a reverse affect when a family already believes its a hoax, then a family member survives it...

And, don't forget that a significant portion (not a majority, but significant minority) of those stumping to reopen the economy are internet meme-educated, mouth breathing, political geniuses who won't leave their house because THEY don't have to, but other people need to be getting back to work so the economy can get going again. Imagine arguing for something that puts others at risk when you're not willing to take the risk yourself. Oh, wait, you're telling me that's 98% of modern politicians who stump for war? Hmm, wonder where these people picked it up from... Talk about privilege, ha.

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That enclosure is bitchin! Fantastic demo as well! I may need to go and buy one of these boards now

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Nonagon Infinity, Murder of the Universe, Polygondwanaland, Infest the Rats' Nest, and (the soundtrack of) Chunky Shrapnel - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard.

Skip Tracing, Timeline - Mild High Club.

Sketches of Brunswick East - King Gizzard & the Lizard Wizard + Mild High Club.

King Gizz is the bomb!! What are your thoughts on Fishing for Fishies compared to the albums you listed?

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But if the choice is between having some people die horribly from a disease or the majority suffer from hunger, I think most people will take their chances with corona and start to loot. The economy has to restart again because when there's no food to buy you can't eat money.

Frankly, with the prevalence of guns in the US, if things got to the point of looting in small towns then this country would likely turn into the complete anarchy of The Walking Dead.


Also, I've been advocating for growing/raising your own food for about 6 years now, and I could go on for hours about it, but essentially the current situation is a great example of why everyone who can, should be doing so. All it costs is a bit of time and space, and even a narcissist can admit that at minimum they get better tasting food as a result. The benefits go far beyond that, but just sharing the basic idea.

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If you were my kids, I'd ask you to apologize to each other, forgive and move forward in kindness.

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Well, at least karma was swift and didn't lure you into a false sense of security? Sorry to hear that man. Hopefully this is the other way around and just tryin keeping you humble before bigger things.

And, as a wiser man than myself once said,
https://youtu.be/aPVLyB0Yc6I

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