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Title: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: fuzzmax on February 08, 2011, 07:29:35 PM
Hi all!  first post here!!  I built a wolfshirt and I find it quite quiet when engage.  I was wondering if someone knows what mod to perform to have more Output vol. 

thanx
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: gtr2 on February 08, 2011, 07:56:41 PM
Hmm, maybe someone else can help but my wolfshirt build has more volume than I'd ever need...there may be a problem
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: t-rack on February 23, 2011, 12:13:58 AM
im kinda in the same boat, not much volume and not much fuzz either. no subbed parts and double checked all wiring and solder joints
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: B_of_H on March 12, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
i'm having this same issue, the volume at max is just a little less than bypass.

i built this to spec 100% I believe as well.  I've got tons of fuzz, more than i'll ever need.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: stecykmi on March 14, 2011, 06:53:31 AM
Quote from: B_of_H on March 12, 2011, 09:08:34 PM
i'm having this same issue, the volume at max is just a little less than bypass.

i built this to spec 100% I believe as well.  I've got tons of fuzz, more than i'll ever need.

if the amount of "fuzzyness" seems right, check around the last gain stage.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: madbean on March 14, 2011, 09:39:28 AM
If you can post some voltages, I'll get some off mine to compare.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: B_of_H on March 14, 2011, 02:21:29 PM
thanks.  I'm stumped on this one, perhaps one of the 3565's is bad?


the legs of the transistors are (from left to right as you look at the pcb)

0.15, 0.82, 2.42 - 8.1, 2.5, 1.8 - 8.9, 0.8, 0.1 - .08, 0.74, 9.6
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: madbean on March 14, 2011, 02:32:58 PM
You should not be reading negative voltages. Something is obviously very wrong here. Not sure what, though.

Are your transistors socketed, by any chance? If using 2n3565, the flat side of the transistor should be the emitter. For example, from left to right, the flat side of Q1 should be on the left.

What is your reading on both sides of R9? One side should be about 9v, the other somewhat less.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: B_of_H on March 14, 2011, 03:18:37 PM
Quote from: madbean on March 14, 2011, 02:32:58 PM
You should not be reading negative voltages. Something is obviously very wrong here. Not sure what, though.

Are your transistors socketed, by any chance? If using 2n3565, the flat side of the transistor should be the emitter. For example, from left to right, the flat side of Q1 should be on the left.

What is your reading on both sides of R9? One side should be about 9v, the other somewhat less.

sorry, no negative voltages...bad way to write those out.  the - just separated the transistors.

yes, they are socketed.

here (flat side being 1st)

q1: .15/.82/2.43
q2: 1.8/2.54/8.48
q3: 9.3/.8/.11
q4: 9.9/.74/.08

r19: 10.6 on the bottom, .76 on the top

Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: B_of_H on March 14, 2011, 03:25:53 PM
btw, I don't know how to check the last gain stage or transistors.

I audio probed it and it seemed like there was a pretty big drop in volume at the top of r17 and coming off the middle lug of the tone pot.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k278/sympathyforme/48e4781d.jpg)

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k278/sympathyforme/737e0a0c.jpg)


Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: B_of_H on March 14, 2011, 04:21:17 PM
whoops. I thought you asked about r19

r9 is the input voltage (my DMM's battery is going out but) on the bottom and a like 8.7 on the top

Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: madbean on March 14, 2011, 04:43:15 PM
Okay, I will get my voltages today. I have 2n3904 in there right now, but they are socketed so I will swap for 2n3565.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: B_of_H on March 16, 2011, 03:31:18 PM
I could use some help still on this, thanks.   :)
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: madbean on March 16, 2011, 04:32:47 PM
Sorry--a bit delayed. I will do this ASAP.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: madbean on March 23, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
Here are voltages off two different builds.

8.85v supply

Build #1: the new fabbed board
Transistors: 2n3904 (read C-B-E)
Q1 2.28, .75, .14
Q2 7.17, 2.28, 1.64
Q3 7.02, .8, .18
Q4 7.74, .76, .15

Build #2: ver.1 board
Transistors: 2n2222a (read C-B-E)
Q1 7.2, 2.2, .14
Q2 7.2, 2.2, 1.61
Q3 6.93, .77, .19
Q4 7.72, .73, .17

Q2-Q4 match well on both builds. Q1 in build #1 is close to the result I would expect. The collector in Q1 on build 2 seems way off, so it may have gone south or I might have the wrong collector resistor there. I only played through build 1 this time and just took the voltages off build 2.

Anyway, with the gain rolled all the way down, it's a bit above unity with max volume compared to bypass. With the gain all the way up it has a huge volume boost at max compared with bypass.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: B_of_H on March 24, 2011, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: madbean on March 23, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
Here are voltages off two different builds.

8.85v supply

Build #1: the new fabbed board
Transistors: 2n3904 (read C-B-E)
Q1 2.28, .75, .14
Q2 7.17, 2.28, 1.64
Q3 7.02, .8, .18
Q4 7.74, .76, .15



Build #2: ver.1 board
Transistors: 2n2222a (read C-B-E)
Q1 7.2, 2.2, .14
Q2 7.2, 2.2, 1.61
Q3 6.93, .77, .19
Q4 7.72, .73, .17

Q2-Q4 match well on both builds. Q1 in build #1 is close to the result I would expect. The collector in Q1 on build 2 seems way off, so it may have gone south or I might have the wrong collector resistor there. I only played through build 1 this time and just took the voltages off build 2.

Anyway, with the gain rolled all the way down, it's a bit above unity with max volume compared to bypass. With the gain all the way up it has a huge volume boost at max compared with bypass.

thanks.

it looks like the issue is at q1 somehow.  I'm going to probe around and perhaps order some new q's to try I guess.  I appreciate the help.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: gtr2 on March 24, 2011, 04:17:10 PM
My version 1 build can get obscenely loud.  I could peel paint off the walls with it.
Title: Re: How to have more output volume on the wolfshirt
Post by: buckysde on April 08, 2011, 02:26:16 AM
Quote from: madbean on March 14, 2011, 02:32:58 PM
You should not be reading negative voltages. Something is obviously very wrong here. Not sure what, though.

Are your transistors socketed, by any chance? If using 2n3565, the flat side of the transistor should be the emitter. For example, from left to right, the flat side of Q1 should be on the left.

What is your reading on both sides of R9? One side should be about 9v, the other somewhat less.

I had the same problem when I first plugged in my wolfshirt.  Apparently I had them socketed in reverse.  I flipped them 180 degrees and BINGO!  The 2n3565s are a little confusing at first to sort out compared to most trannies. 

This forum is awesome!  It has saved me so many debugging headaches!

Thanks to all!

-Rick