Never did I struggle so much than finding a looper that I can use. Seems like the VOX VDL1 has all I need, but I don't see many people using it. There has to be a strong reason. I am aware of some of it's shortcomings, but some of them are not crucial because the way I use my setup.
I'll tell you what I need in a looper, what kind of music I play, and how I plan to use a looper, so I:
- play in an instrumental experimental rock band
- never owned a looper before
- hate not having options to manipulate loops live
- need a one shot mode in a looper, and ability to start over before loop end [retrigger?]
- play in stereo, and would use VDL1 on other amp exclusively, not with my "main sound" amp
(I should clarify - I use one amp and one board as my main sound, and then use another board consisting only of modulation effects going into another amp as my sound two that gets turned on only in choruses of songs, or specific parts where I need som drama and extra psychodelic soundscapes => here's where VDL1 would go, that I plan to take in and out with a volume pedal)
- need a reverse, double time, half-time, and loop fade out features
- don't need storing loops [if digitech or boss products had the retrigger feature though, then I could benefit from storing greatly]
- probably need to be able to record very very short loops, snippets of playing like a second or so long [I hear the VDL1's minimum time is 10s which is underwhelming but a method of cutting the loops via resampling was mentioned somewhere on the interwebz]
- I don't need any metronome syncing, and would hate if VOX's effects would be synced to the metronome [though because I would prepare the loop on that other amp I could tap the tempo while the song progresses so it's not a major concern]
What I really can't understand is why Boss or Digitech don't offer retrigger mode, or change loop in real time mode (?!?!) I mean having to wait untill the end of phrase is ludicrous! >:(
That's my main con with those units.
That and really heavy and hard footswitches that I don't get along with so well...seems to me that the ones on the VOX are a lot easier to stomp and to get your timing right.
It's very frustrating cause whatever looper I have considered I've decided it lacks an option or few that would be cruicial to my performance. It appears like VOX has it all, but no one seems to use it which concerns me to be honest. However, I tend to use pedals no one sees any value in, so I might be on a good track here after all.
I was also considering a M9 but it has limited loop manipulation options [would the use of expression pedal or MIDI increase their number?], and also, no one seems to want to get rid of theirs.
Don't tell me to get a Boomerang cause I can't get it in my country and it's way over my budget.
That being said, offers are welcomed via PM, so if you wanna get rid of your looper here's your chance. I could close my eye on some of the options that your looper might not have that I need.
There is an option to use Ableton Live and some MIDI controllers for maximum tweakage. But I don't get along with MIDI that well and I wouldn't rely on computers unless I absolutely had to!
So that's my struggle with loopers and looping, one can loose their mind over this...
Have you looked into the Boomerang with Sidecar?
Jacob
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 07, 2013, 01:21:30 PM
Don't tell me to get a Boomerang cause I can't get it in my country and it's way over my budget.
:)))
I am currently torn between a used Boss RC20XL and a brand new VOX VDL1.
I've tried several loopers and none worked for me.
And the Boss RC20XL was clicking and ticking incredibly. Completely useless.
For me hardware loopers are dead. Whenever I get time to build a midi controler for Ableton Live and get into Max I'll try this route. Possibly not in this life, though. But I think with Live there will always be sync to tempo. Live aside, it would not be too difficult to write your own software looper behaving exactly the way you want. There are even open source projects.
I'm not sure I understand all, but it seems like you're more interested in one-shot sampling than looping?
So you don't aim primarily at layering grooves or ambient textures going in a loop?
You don't need to store loops, so you're working with only one sample at a time?
If you could build your own looper, what footswitches would be there?
I have a digitech jamman, a tc ditto, and boomerang 2. I prefer the boomerang 2. Id love the new one with a side car but I'm fine for now with what I've got.
You said don't recommend the boomerang since its out of you're budget so probably this is too. I really want one but the price is way to expensive. Hopefully there will some cheaper ones on the used market in a few years. It seems to do everything you would ever want in a looper.
The Roland sampler range (Eg. SP404) may be more what you are after.
Also, they are popular with live performers.
I'm hoping I can make something work with a Raspberry Pi running Sooper Looper headless. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ (http://essej.net/sooperlooper/)
I have actually found my best looping workflow comes from using my MPC1000 with JJOS. But this isn't the best alternative for live looping.
Quote from: GhostofJohnToad on August 07, 2013, 08:24:36 PM
I'm hoping I can make something work with a Raspberry Pi running Sooper Looper headless. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ (http://essej.net/sooperlooper/)
Hey, keep us updated!
have you looked into the Ditto ?
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DittoLooper
I love you dude hahahahhaha.
(see my first post)
As you mentioned, Ableton Live's looper is incredibly powerful (it also does one shot playback ;)).
I was playing with it last night, and with a few footswitches connected, it beats any of the hardware variants I have tried hands down.
Interfacing Live with a live guitar rig may be difficult though. Also, if you don't already own Ableton Live, a Computer/Laptop, and an Audio Interface, the cost will be prohibitive.
Some really interesting responses out there folks, thanks!
Quote from: kothoma on August 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
I'm not sure I understand all, but it seems like you're more interested in one-shot sampling than looping?
So you don't aim primarily at layering grooves or ambient textures going in a loop?
You don't need to store loops, so you're working with only one sample at a time?
If you could build your own looper, what footswitches would be there?
The reason why I am into one-shot sampling is because no drummer is perfect and we probably won't be playing with the click so it's better to retrigger the same phrase on the start of every bar than rely on drummers to keep their time [and my drummer is not an ace in this department]
Also, if I am to accompany let's say a riff consisting of 4 chords in a drone-y manner [one chord per bar], it would be nice having 4 pre-recorded "swelled in" ambient textures corresponding to every chord to trigger at the start of every bar [chord]. Something like this isn't possible with Boss, Digitech, nor the aforementioned VOX. Ok, it might be with the priciest Boss and Digi models but I haven't even looked cause I can't afford them.
But yeah, I'd like layering and ambient textures as well, of course, that stuff is amazing. you reverse it, you put it half-speed, you apply some reverb, and you have an instant recollection of times from your mothers womb.
If I could build my own looper, here's what footswitches it would have:
- Start / Trigger [one shot, loop]
- Record / Overdub [undo, redo]
- Stop [erase]
- Function [Reverse, Low pass filter]
- Speed [Half-speed, Double-time]
- Mic / Aux [on/off switch for either the mic or aux in]
There would be an expression pedal input that would control either the volume of the loop, either the volume coming from the Mic, or the volume coming from the Aux in. This way you could fade in or out your loops, OR, if you are running your singer or your entire band from the mixing console into a looper via a Mic or Aux you could swell in and out parts of their playing and sample it.
So a toggle or some sort of option button is required to assign the pedal to either, loop, mic or aux in volume.
There would be place to store your loops, I don't know 100 of them, hell 50 would be enough.
Stomping on the Start / Trigger button would one shot the pre-recorded phrase. Stomping on the switch again would retrigger it, so you could stutter the loop. At any time, you could go NEXT or PREVIOUS recorded phrase via an additional footswitch [like those Boss FSU thingies] and you could do this INSTANTLY, no that wait for two seconds bullshit. God.
Stomping on the Record / Overdub switch records the loop and stomping again takes you to overdub mode instantly. Stomping one more time, takes you out of the Overdub only to continuous playback. [record LED goes off and Start/Trigger LED goes on]. Undo and redo goes like on most available products.
Stop switch does stop right...and loop erase via holding it for an asignable number of seconds.
Function switch, puts the loop to Reverse or Low Pass filter depending on the state of a toggle switch or some sort of momentary indicator like on boss and digi products.
Speed, like the Function, but it's either half-speed or double speed.
Mic/Aux switch. Activates, or mixes either the Mic or Aux in signals into the loop. As I explained this could be gradually faded in via the expression pedal. This way you could have some sort of ambiance running even from your iPod and, waves or something, and then mix it in or out with the loop and your playing as you wish.
Ah, wishes...
Quote from: raulduke on August 08, 2013, 08:54:06 AM
As you mentioned, Ableton Live's looper is incredibly powerful (it also does one shot playback ;)).
I was playing with it last night, and with a few footswitches connected, it beats any of the hardware variants I have tried hands down.
Interfacing Live with a live guitar rig may be difficult though. Also, if you don't already own Ableton Live, a Computer/Laptop, and an Audio Interface, the cost will be prohibitive.
Which footswitches did you use?
I own everything you mentioned luckily, so I am interested in this option.
In your opinion, could I achieve everything that I mentioned with Live Looper? Mic/Aux thing set aside?
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 08, 2013, 09:49:35 AM
Some really interesting responses out there folks, thanks!
Quote from: kothoma on August 07, 2013, 04:06:39 PM
I'm not sure I understand all, but it seems like you're more interested in one-shot sampling than looping?
So you don't aim primarily at layering grooves or ambient textures going in a loop?
You don't need to store loops, so you're working with only one sample at a time?
If you could build your own looper, what footswitches would be there?
The reason why I am into one-shot sampling is because no drummer is perfect and we probably won't be playing with the click so it's better to retrigger the same phrase on the start of every bar than rely on drummers to keep their time [and my drummer is not an ace in this department]
Also, if I am to accompany let's say a riff consisting of 4 chords in a drone-y manner [one chord per bar], it would be nice having 4 pre-recorded "swelled in" ambient textures corresponding to every chord to trigger at the start of every bar [chord]. Something like this isn't possible with Boss, Digitech, nor the aforementioned VOX. Ok, it might be with the priciest Boss and Digi models but I haven't even looked cause I can't afford them.
But yeah, I'd like layering and ambient textures as well, of course, that stuff is amazing. you reverse it, you put it half-speed, you apply some reverb, and you have an instant recollection of times from your mothers womb.
If I could build my own looper, here's what footswitches it would have:
- Start / Trigger [one shot, loop]
- Record / Overdub [undo, redo]
- Stop [erase]
- Function [Reverse, Low pass filter]
- Speed [Half-speed, Double-time]
- Mic / Aux [on/off switch for either the mic or aux in]
There would be an expression pedal input that would control either the volume of the loop, either the volume coming from the Mic, or the volume coming from the Aux in. This way you could fade in or out your loops, OR, if you are running your singer or your entire band from the mixing console into a looper via a Mic or Aux you could swell in and out parts of their playing and sample it.
So a toggle or some sort of option button is required to assign the pedal to either, loop, mic or aux in volume.
There would be place to store your loops, I don't know 100 of them, hell 50 would be enough.
Stomping on the Start / Trigger button would one shot the pre-recorded phrase. Stomping on the switch again would retrigger it, so you could stutter the loop. At any time, you could go NEXT or PREVIOUS recorded phrase via an additional footswitch [like those Boss FSU thingies] and you could do this INSTANTLY, no that wait for two seconds bullshit. God.
Stomping on the Record / Overdub switch records the loop and stomping again takes you to overdub mode instantly. Stomping one more time, takes you out of the Overdub only to continuous playback. [record LED goes off and Start/Trigger LED goes on]. Undo and redo goes like on most available products.
Stop switch does stop right...and loop erase via holding it for an asignable number of seconds.
Function switch, puts the loop to Reverse or Low Pass filter depending on the state of a toggle switch or some sort of momentary indicator like on boss and digi products.
Speed, like the Function, but it's either half-speed or double speed.
Mic/Aux switch. Activates, or mixes either the Mic or Aux in signals into the loop. As I explained this could be gradually faded in via the expression pedal. This way you could have some sort of ambiance running even from your iPod and, waves or something, and then mix it in or out with the loop and your playing as you wish.
Ah, wishes...
I don't see any way you can satisfy what you need without using a computer. You may not be able to find a perfect fit MIDI controller for what you want, but that's certainly DIYable.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 08, 2013, 10:08:34 AMWhich footswitches did you use?
You could make your own controller for dirt cheap : a box, an old keyboard and enough momentary footswitches for your needs. Some ideas here : https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=112242&hilit=assign+midi+guitar+rig&sid=bcffece29f6330e914f5314eb8a0a892
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 08, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
Quote from: raulduke on August 08, 2013, 08:54:06 AM
As you mentioned, Ableton Live's looper is incredibly powerful (it also does one shot playback ;)).
I was playing with it last night, and with a few footswitches connected, it beats any of the hardware variants I have tried hands down.
Interfacing Live with a live guitar rig may be difficult though. Also, if you don't already own Ableton Live, a Computer/Laptop, and an Audio Interface, the cost will be prohibitive.
Which footswitches did you use?
I own everything you mentioned luckily, so I am interested in this option.
In your opinion, could I achieve everything that I mentioned with Live Looper? Mic/Aux thing set aside?
I imagine it could do what you need and more. Mic/Aux/routing etc. would be easier by using a real hardware mixer IMO, which would negate foot control.
To be honest though, your requirements seem very specific, so the only person who really knows what will cater for what you require is yourself.
You will need a good understanding of Live to achieve what you want. Eg. you could also use session view, recording and triggering clips via a foot controller, rather than the looper effect.
Tap tempo on another foot-switch and you have one hell of a powerfull 'looper' at your feet!
Last night, I just used a momentary switch that I use as a sustain pedal (piano that is) with looper in Ableton; Ableton's looper has loads of neat features to dictate how the switch operates (eg. initiate record then overdub, initiate record then play, initiate record then play once etc. etc.).
Ableton is probably the most awesome piece of software ever IMO. It does pretty much anything you want it too when setup correctly.
Also, this could be a potential cool controller for you:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCB1010.aspx (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCB1010.aspx)
Yes its a behringer, but its only for control so who cares ;)
Quote from: raulduke on August 08, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
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Also, this could be a potential cool controller for you:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCB1010.aspx (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCB1010.aspx)
Yes its a behringer, but its only for control so who cares ;)
I have one of these foot controllers. It's massive, heavy, it's built very well. It's a pain to setup (as is pretty much every other MIDI controller). It does work well.
croquet hoop that's awesome! I did make a MIDI controller which I still have out of a playstation joystick :) But of course for what I need I would make a much bigger and better one.
So RobA and Raulduke, in your opinions, if I do this, will I be able to do all the stuff I need? I could absolutely live without the Mic and Aux in options, that stuff is not mandatory.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 08, 2013, 01:41:05 PMcroquet hoop that's awesome! I did make a MIDI controller which I still have out of a playstation joystick :) But of course for what I need I would make a much bigger and better one.
The best thing is that you can use pretty much any controller you want, especially if you use glovepie (which takes a bit of time to get used to, but it's quite powerful). I think there has been some discussion about it on the ableton forum. My foot controller was built from a wireless keyboard (yay, 20-footswitches wireless for controller!), and glovepie allowed me to use it as a controller in Live while still using my regular keyboard for typing (whereas Windows does not differentiate between different keyboards by default). I've stopped using that setup a while ago so it's not very fresh in my mind, but I may be able to dig out my config files if you want to go this route.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 08, 2013, 01:41:05 PM
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So RobA and Raulduke, in your opinions, if I do this, will I be able to do all the stuff I need? I could absolutely live without the Mic and Aux in options, that stuff is not mandatory.
As far as I can see, yes. I'd go further and say you'll be able to do things you haven't even thought of yet.
There are some fairly inexpensive little mixing boards with USB I/O interfaces that might help you get the I/O functionality too.
If you haven't seen this site http://createdigitalmusic.com (http://createdigitalmusic.com), it could be useful to go look around there just to get a feel for things folks are doing in related areas. He covers quite a bit of area in what's going on and what's available from canned software to circuit bending to DIY stuff.
Yep; Create Digital Music is a great blog. Make sure to check it out.
I agree as well; Ableton Live coupled with a decent controller (the Behringer looks like it could fit the bill) = ultimate live looper.
It's hard to say if it will definitley match exactly what you are looking for, as this is something only you know. It's fair to say that Live can cover pretty much any production/performance requirement/scenario you can envisage though ;)
I've been using it since V4 and I still have only scraped the depths of what you can do with it.
Seeing as you already own Live, an Audio Interface etc. what do you have to loose in trying it out?
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 08, 2013, 09:49:35 AM
The reason why I am into one-shot sampling is because no drummer is perfect and we probably won't be playing with the click so it's better to retrigger the same phrase on the start of every bar than rely on drummers to keep their time [and my drummer is not an ace in this department]
The answer to this issue is practice. Honestly, there is no substitute for getting better timing as a drummer than practice. He should be working a metronome and this would solve some of your issues.
Jacob
Quote from: jkokura on August 08, 2013, 03:08:42 PM
The answer to this issue is practice. Honestly, there is no substitute for getting better timing as a drummer than practice. He should be working a metronome and this would solve some of your issues.
Jacob
This. I'll never understand when drummers tell me they never practice with a metronome.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on August 08, 2013, 10:08:34 AM
Quote from: raulduke on August 08, 2013, 08:54:06 AM
As you mentioned, Ableton Live's looper is incredibly powerful (it also does one shot playback ;)).
I was playing with it last night, and with a few footswitches connected, it beats any of the hardware variants I have tried hands down.
Interfacing Live with a live guitar rig may be difficult though. Also, if you don't already own Ableton Live, a Computer/Laptop, and an Audio Interface, the cost will be prohibitive.
Which footswitches did you use?
I own everything you mentioned luckily, so I am interested in this option.
In your opinion, could I achieve everything that I mentioned with Live Looper? Mic/Aux thing set aside?
Everything and more. And then there is Max4Live.
Oh my, I really need to go back to my plans for a foot controller.
I see three cheap options:
- recycle a computer keyboard controller (switches only)
- recycle a MIDI keyboard controller (so possibly pots for expression pedals too)
- build a little Arduino MIDI thingy (switches and pots, even display)
(- well, I see a forth option: recycle a joystick controller, I've tried this with Jack/Linux)
Of these, I favor the Arduino one.
I'd like it to remote control Ableton Live without having to look at the GUI.
But I'm not sure yet what switches will be necessary.
No need to worry about depending on computers. That's inescapable around here anyway :)
Quote from: RobA on August 08, 2013, 01:32:22 PM
Quote from: raulduke on August 08, 2013, 12:08:25 PM
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Also, this could be a potential cool controller for you:
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCB1010.aspx (http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/FCB1010.aspx)
Yes its a behringer, but its only for control so who cares ;)
I have one of these foot controllers. It's massive, heavy, it's built very well. It's a pain to setup (as is pretty much every other MIDI controller). It does work well.
It needs mains/line power. No USB MIDI. And I don't like the layout.
Only thing I'm not sure about is this sync to tempo thing in Ableton Live.
I hope to find some time in September to experiment a bit.
(Or at least install the latest update...)
Quote from: kothoma on August 07, 2013, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: GhostofJohnToad on August 07, 2013, 08:24:36 PM
I'm hoping I can make something work with a Raspberry Pi running Sooper Looper headless. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ (http://essej.net/sooperlooper/)
Hey, keep us updated!
Any news on this?
At the bottom of this page http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/real-time-guitar-effects-with-raspberry-pi-pd-and-arduino/ someone states running guitarix (http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/) on a Raspberry Pi.
See also http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/making-a-looper-with-pure-data/
Quote from: kothoma on August 09, 2013, 06:47:25 AM
Only thing I'm not sure about is this sync to tempo thing in Ableton Live.
I hope to find some time in September to experiment a bit.
(Or at least install the latest update...)
And what about this kothoma? Have you experimented like you intended?
As to my looper troubles, I bought a line 6 dl-4 AND a digitech jamman solo in the end. Couldn't be happier really. DL-4 is like ten years old [not mine, mine is mint] and still no product in the price range has everything the DL-4 has.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on November 22, 2013, 12:37:05 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 09, 2013, 06:47:25 AM
Only thing I'm not sure about is this sync to tempo thing in Ableton Live.
I hope to find some time in September to experiment a bit.
(Or at least install the latest update...)
And what about this kothoma? Have you experimented like you intended?
As to my looper troubles, I bought a line 6 dl-4 AND a digitech jamman solo in the end. Couldn't be happier really. DL-4 is like ten years old [not mine, mine is mint] and still no product in the price range has everything the DL-4 has.
Sadly no, spent all summer at work and used any little spare time to practice and maintain basic guitar playing skills.
Time is running like sand through my fingers...
Still looking for a way to have (self written) loopers, recording and digital fx without using a full blown pc, even in a living room setting.
How do you combine the DL-4 and the Jamman to achieve your goals?
I don't. I still cannot trigger samples whenever I want em, but I do find saving a phrase on the jamman solo much nicer than on the bigger versions. I still have to wait until the end of the phrase to switch to the next one, which was my main problem with any looper commercially available that I could afford.
Still, this arrangement of two loopers, one of which is a fantastic delay, really offers a ton of options, and the phrases on the dl-4 are available to manipulation via an expression pedal (which I DIYed successfully), and I did get the digitech f3sx footswitch with the pedal so I can do all sort of stuff now.
Pretty satisfied. And not dependent of the computer. The con is having to drag TWO power supplies (the one for the dl-4 is more heavy than the pedal) but then again the jamman almost has no weight.
When I get bored of this I will definitely sell both and buy a Boomerang, or go computer.
OK, I understand. Nice to see that this works for you for the moment.
Still hope that there is an easy DIY solution. I'd really like to have
- an analog basic sound (no booting required...) and
- digital processing (multitrack recording/looping, delays, convolution for cabinet simulation and reverb)
in a box, providing line out to sound systems and DAWs.
Quote from: kothoma on November 22, 2013, 12:17:18 PM
Quote from: kothoma on August 07, 2013, 08:57:44 PM
Quote from: GhostofJohnToad on August 07, 2013, 08:24:36 PM
I'm hoping I can make something work with a Raspberry Pi running Sooper Looper headless. http://essej.net/sooperlooper/ (http://essej.net/sooperlooper/)
Hey, keep us updated!
Any news on this?
At the bottom of this page http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2013/01/27/real-time-guitar-effects-with-raspberry-pi-pd-and-arduino/ someone states running guitarix (http://guitarix.sourceforge.net/) on a Raspberry Pi.
See also http://guitarextended.wordpress.com/2013/08/05/making-a-looper-with-pure-data/
See also this bag of tricks: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/raspberrypi
Edit: and here a demo of guitarix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzemdS4s8kk
and one using pd: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLcW70tcBX8
I have the Boss RC-3 with the side car footswitch (2 button). I really like the fact I can plug it into a computer and download backing tracks. Its really easy to do things like chop out the solo section of a song and drop that in the pedal...like for guiltless 1 hour sessions of just soloing over Comfortably Numb.
What I really don't like is what it does to my tone. Since it essentially is a A/D and D/A converter I find it just sucks the life out of my rig. I like using it in practice at home but would have to really think about using it live for that reason.
On a related note, I also have the MIDI control Behringer FCB1010, which I painted in truckliner black and did the phantom power mod to it. This mod is basically using the two outer MIDI pins to run the AC adapter through the cable so you don't need to plug it in on stage. Back at the rack, I inject the power to the MIDI cable there and then I can use it on stage without being next to AC. I really don't use this piece anymore (since I don't do much rack gear) and am looking at selling it at a low price if anyone is interested.
Hey Rullywowr, you still have the Behringer FCB1010?
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Quote from: PhiloB on March 20, 2015, 03:40:56 AM
Hey Rullywowr, you still have the Behringer FCB1010?
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Yes. Still have it. Make me an offer?
Keep an eye open for the new EHX 22500 Stereo looper, basically a stripped down 45000. Looks very promising.
They have not put up official info on their site yet but some shops already have them up:
http://www.bax-shop.fr/electro-harmonix-22500-dual-stereo-looper-pedale-de-looper.html
I have had the 2880 for years and love it. It can retrigger the loop if you double click on the start stop button, not sure it has all you are looking for though...
Oh just realized how old this thread was .... :D
Quote from: drolo on March 20, 2015, 09:59:49 AM
Oh just realized how old this thread was .... :D
Thats ok...some of us are still waiting for the perfect looper :)
Josh
Quote from: drolo on March 20, 2015, 09:26:09 AM
Keep an eye open for the new EHX 22500 Stereo looper, basically a stripped down 45000. Looks very promising.
They have not put up official info on their site yet but some shops already have them up:
http://www.bax-shop.fr/electro-harmonix-22500-dual-stereo-looper-pedale-de-looper.html
I have had the 2880 for years and love it. It can retrigger the loop if you double click on the start stop button, not sure it has all you are looking for though...
This! Awesome! no more words.
Can someone recommend a good website for researching guitar live looping? I am interested in using a computer and midi foot controller. I've looked at the all in one solutions like Boomerang and the like. I'd like to compare the two. I'm not coming up with some comprehensive info on computer/iPad based solutions. A lot of the info I'm finding is outdated.
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ableton live and your choice of midi controller
I've had about 3 DL-4s they are great..until they brake. Then they suck...until you fix / mod them. One of my favorite loopers what honestly, the Akai Headrush E2. Great looper, easy to use and Awesome delay sounds. Plus the loop time was almost double that of the DL4. I also liked the delay more that the DL4 as well, wasn't so digital sounding. They are also sub $100 too. That's always a bonus.
I'd like to just say one thing about drummers and metronomes. I am a drummer before a guitarist any day of the week. GOOD drummers don't NEED a metronome. They might use one to keep them in check from time to time. But just remember we don't MAKE you play out of tempo you do that on your own... ;)
Anyone with Ableton Live- can you verify that Live 'Intro' version will support the features you would need for live looping.
That may be a question for the ableton forum?
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Seems some folks are using Reaper + Mobius Looper (free)
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There's a new EHX looper coming out, the 22500 (mini 45000) could be of interest...
Quote from: PhiloB on March 20, 2015, 04:06:05 PM
Can someone recommend a good website for researching guitar live looping? I am interested in using a computer and midi foot controller. I've looked at the all in one solutions like Boomerang and the like. I'd like to compare the two. I'm not coming up with some comprehensive info on computer/iPad based solutions. A lot of the info I'm finding is outdated.
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http://looperpedalreviews.com/
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Still waiting... Need a DIY Boomerang. 3 loops, analog dry, and midi clock sync