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Title: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 09, 2013, 03:26:39 AM
Hi guys. So I got rather ambitious and decided to try a Doombutter as my first build. The good news is I read up on the forums here first and built a test box to test my circuit with before finishing it. The bad news is I'm barely getting past the input before I lose all signal. Here's the rundown:

Project Name: Doombutter (w/fuzz lift)
Description of Problem: No audio once I get to the first IC.
Steps Taken: Hooked the circuit to my test box and used the audio lead to determine where the audio stops. I have not yet checked anything with the multimeter (because I'm not sure exactly how  ??? )

I'm sure the problem could possibly be a bridge, but honestly I'm not sure how to tell that either. It doesn't look like a bridge issue to me when I look at it, but I might not be seeing what I should. I'm including some pictures as well highlighting where the signal stops (the blue circles output signal). All and any help is appreciated!

The complete photo set is in this imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/u1wTP

Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: jimilee on August 09, 2013, 03:42:25 AM
So to check for bridges, look at the solder joints that are touching and compare it to the layout to see if those 2 points are supposed to be touching. Your soldering looks pretty good. I'd use a magnifying glass to see if each joint is soldered all the way around the lead. One or two looks like it may need touching up.
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: murdog47 on August 09, 2013, 03:49:36 AM
Time to check voltages.Turn your multimeter on to measure voltage. Take the black probe from your multimeter and slide it in with the ground wire hooked up to your testing rig. From there, take your red probe and start checking the voltages on the ICs.
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 09, 2013, 04:18:02 AM
Thanks for the suggestions! So to check with the meter, put the black lead to ground and then check each leg of the smaller IC?
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: murdog47 on August 09, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
That is correct. Both IC's
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 10, 2013, 10:00:08 PM
The voltages seem to be jumping around a lot and I'm having trouble getting a good reading; am I doing something wrong here? I shot a quick video of what it looks like.

http://youtu.be/DZWfgdefQ-A
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: hammerheadmusicman on August 11, 2013, 12:21:26 AM
So i'd reflow all the joints, and next to the highlighted joints, there seems to be something dicey looking between the tracks. I'd get a magnifier, and give all the track spaces a once over.
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 11, 2013, 12:47:16 AM
Will do on the reflow; any idea why the readings jump around like that though?
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 11, 2013, 02:27:06 AM
OK, it looks like a bad AC adapter was causing me some issues with the readings. I just tried a different adapter and I'm reading 9v at the 9v spot on the board. That being said, it doesn't look like current is passing through the diode at all. I checked for continuity and grounding and it was fine, but I don't read anything on one side of the diode. I've illustrated where I'm currently getting readings.
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: jimilee on August 11, 2013, 03:09:45 AM
Is that a Zener diode? Without looking at the layout, I can't tell. Also is it oriented correctly?
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 11, 2013, 04:42:03 PM
I don't believe it's a zener diode, but I'm including some pictures for you. Also, I tried another diode with the same results.
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 11, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
Well, after looking at the attatchment I think I see my problem. It looks like I put the diode in backwards.
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: murdog47 on August 11, 2013, 04:44:33 PM
Diode is backwards!  ;D
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 11, 2013, 05:14:17 PM
LOL, I feel like an idiot! The pedal is working perfectly now!

The problem was I reversed the image of the pcb to help me trace down where the circuit path while looking at the solder side of the pcb, and I forgot that the picture of the diode is reversed. Thanks for the all the help guys, and I'm looking forward to my next build!
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: murdog47 on August 11, 2013, 05:24:08 PM
Awesome! We've all been there!
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: jimilee on August 12, 2013, 04:03:06 AM
Same thing happened to me 2 weeks ago on 2 different builds.
Title: Re: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: ch1naski on August 12, 2013, 04:48:05 AM
I do that on a regular basis. And I bet even the seasoned pros around here would tell you the same. ;)

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Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: meelertime on August 12, 2013, 02:39:19 PM
Well, for my first build I couldn't be any happier with it. I still need to work in the feedback mod but there's plenty of time to do that later. After I get this guy boxed I'm moving on to the Boneyard v1, which should be an adventure all it's own. Once again, thanks for all the help; it's nice to have a community that takes the time and effort to help new guys troubleshoot common problems.
Title: Re: [HELP] Noob working on a Doombutter - no output
Post by: hammerheadmusicman on August 12, 2013, 02:57:23 PM
It's no problem, and every one learns here!

George