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Title: Non-madbean Reverb (1590A)
Post by: kinski on August 25, 2013, 03:23:08 PM
Madbean got me started on my 1590A obsession. So I figured I'd post this here. Until recently, my entire board was entirely 1590A pedals, EXCEPT for my reverb. Well, thats all changed. The guts are not my best work, but there was so much to cram in there! Used the box of hall reverb.

(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-N8BN_eCt4oA/UhQnpOiE1RI/AAAAAAAAAg0/E6nFOSfS718/s512/verb.jpg)

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-7w2qgfdV-QI/UhQnpYioSKI/AAAAAAAAAg4/P_xRAC6qVXk/s512/verbguts.jpg)
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: hammerheadmusicman on August 25, 2013, 03:34:11 PM
You weren't lying when you said it was a cram!

On vero too none less!

From one 1590A junkie to another, good work sir!

George
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: ThePastRecedes on August 25, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
Holy crap! Now I have to make this  ::) Too many projects on the go!
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: kinski on August 25, 2013, 03:56:51 PM
Thanks!

Yeah, its a nice sounding reverb. If you do build this, you can replace the DAMP pot with a resistor or trim. It is extremely subtle. Infact, I'm not really sure if I can even hear a difference. Its useless in my opoinion. And I even used a 50k pot instead of the 10k listed on the layout. Most others who built it say the same thing. But yeah, the circuit sounds really nice.

I used the modded layout (3rd one down):

http://tagboardeffects.blogspot.com/2012/04/box-of-hall-reverb-culturejam.html

Thanks to Culturejam and |v|ark for this one!
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: midwayfair on August 25, 2013, 04:27:13 PM
With plastic jacks! So it can be done. That's a first (this is the third 1590A reverb I've seen now).

Welp, guess I'd better get to work ...
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: kinski on August 25, 2013, 04:51:37 PM
It can be done! But its a major PITA.

I (mostly used) 1/8w resistors, ceramic/ml-ceramic caps. I even sanded down the thickness of the vero board! Its about 1/4 of its original thickness, but I'm not sure if this was really needed. The main trick was to face the components down, and have the IC lay in that space between the pots and the jacks. I also routed as many wires as possible so they weaved in between the two jacks  rather than over the jacks so the board could get as low as possible. I put a little tape over the jacks to isolate.

Another important thing is to file down the inner lip on the enclosures back-plate.

I shortened the six leads on the reverb module and then put some vero on them for easy wiring, just like the 9mm pot technique.
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: croquet hoop on August 25, 2013, 05:29:57 PM
I wonder if it could be done with regular components, but with a washer between the case and the lid (even better : a clear acrylic washer with LEDs, as Pickdropper did on a wah).

Anyway, great job on this one, you don't see 1590A reverbs everyday.
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: alanp on August 25, 2013, 05:49:12 PM
That's insane. A belton brick in a 1590A... WITH vero (usually The Space Eater)...
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: twin1965 on August 25, 2013, 06:28:48 PM
That's impressive!  I find it hard enough fitting simple circuits in 1590B boxes. And on vero too!!

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Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: midwayfair on August 25, 2013, 06:54:46 PM
Quote from: kinski on August 25, 2013, 04:51:37 PM
It can be done! But its a major PITA.

I (mostly used) 1/8w resistors, ceramic/ml-ceramic caps. I even sanded down the thickness of the vero board! Its about 1/4 of its original thickness, but I'm not sure if this was really needed. The main trick was to face the components down, and have the IC lay in that space between the pots and the jacks. I also routed as many wires as possible so they weaved in between the two jacks  rather than over the jacks so the board could get as low as possible. I put a little tape over the jacks to isolate.

Another important thing is to file down the inner lip on the enclosures back-plate.

I shortened the six leads on the reverb module and then put some vero on them for easy wiring, just like the 9mm pot technique.

Thanks! I've just finished a layout for the Rub-a-dub. Measurements say it'll fit even with the low-profile jacks, but I might end up with open jacks instead regardless.
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: Roctopus on August 26, 2013, 01:30:05 AM
mini verb!!! killer job man. i'm gonna look into building this one
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: lincolnic on August 26, 2013, 04:56:35 AM
Super impressive.
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: selfdestroyer on August 26, 2013, 08:01:28 PM
This is simply amazing. Great job.
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: nmbb on September 01, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
Nice one!!
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb
Post by: kinski on September 02, 2013, 07:58:44 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb (1590A)
Post by: dawntreader on September 08, 2013, 01:01:51 PM
Hey guys. Quick question. I too have built this layout and the tone pot didnt do much of anything. How would I go about replacing the pot with a resistor?
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb (1590A)
Post by: kinski on September 08, 2013, 04:42:35 PM
Okay...

I just put the DAMP on a trimpot, then wired up this DWELL control. This is an absolute must for this reverb, if you ask me. You can dial in a decay that is much more "spring" like.

I'm gonna try an even larger DWELL pot to see if I can get some really crazy reverb happening.

To anybody that does this, don't forget to still connect DAMP 1 to REV 3.

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On a side note, maybe I'm in the minority, but I think its unfortunate that these Belton bricks have modulation built in that you can't adjust or get rid of. I've never heard a spring reverb that has any kind of modulation. I'm hoping in the future, they release a version of the brick that has no modulation, or at least one you can have control over.

(http://johnkvintageguitars.homestead.com/Effects/BOHreverb/Box_of_Hall_-_With_Dwell_V2.png)
Title: Re: Non-madbean Reverb (1590A)
Post by: kinski on September 08, 2013, 10:47:05 PM
Update...

The Dwell control is fantastic. Increasing the pot value does nothing. Instead, replace the 39k resistor on the Dwell board with a trimpot. Set it to just before it oscillates. Then the dwell control can get anything from a really short decay to full on crazy sustain.