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Title: Swamprat build
Post by: selfdestroyer on December 10, 2013, 06:56:18 AM
This was a layout Brian gave out of the Plexi-Drive like circuit. I really like the low gain sound of this and it really does sound like a JMT45. It adds a nice drive to my Twin Reverb.

I tried a few new things with this build. I tried etching again since the punch in momentary switch etch went well. I am really happy how this came out. I used a Rustoleum Metallic black and wet sanded off the logo and control labels then I shot it with a matte clear a few times. I also tried out the Red Fresnel Lens' since I snagged a few of them on my last Mouser order to try. I like how they look and may stick with them. I used a 3mm on here but I can definitely see they 5mm will look cool also.

(http://music.codydeschenes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/20131209-224336.jpg)

(http://music.codydeschenes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/20131209-224345.jpg)

(http://music.codydeschenes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/20131209-224410.jpg)
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: hoodoo on December 10, 2013, 07:09:09 AM
That's fantastic etching mate, those fine line words are perfect. Very nice all round, looks just like a little amp  :)
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: jubal81 on December 10, 2013, 07:18:35 AM
That is some next-level badassery. On top of perfection inside, the etching and paint are totally seamless. Any chance you consider doing a "how-to" thread?
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: Stomptown on December 10, 2013, 07:21:52 AM
Whoa dude! That etch is amaing! Great work all around...
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: micromegas on December 10, 2013, 08:30:50 AM
What an elegant and beautiful build man! Could you throw some light over the etching process? Laser etched? Reverse etching? It looks astounding...
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: selfdestroyer on December 10, 2013, 09:10:28 AM
Thanks so much guys. I'll just do a list of process as I work on a tutorial. Its been trial and error. I am far from feeling super comfortable with this. I am going to do a few more this weekend and will definitely do a picture tutorial then and add it to my blog. Until then, here are some basic steps I took. Hope it makes sense since I am writing this at 1:00am lol


I'll try to answer any questions.
Cody
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: muddyfox on December 10, 2013, 09:35:26 AM

I've done a few etches (never a reverse etch, mind you) rather successfully. The only thing that ever worked for me was PnP blue but for one it's certainly not cheap getting it from overseas and two it was far from perfect. It's really sensitive to temperature and it would either not stick enough or smudge.
I've tried all sorts of printers on all sorts of paper (OHP, sticker backing, photo, magazine glossy) and never would it stick properly to the enclosure. I've tried rough enclosures, I've tried sanding for half an hour up to 1000 wet mirror polish and it. just. wouldn't. stick. properly.
I'm starting to think it may be my iron (just a regular clothes iron, steam off) but with all the hassle it's just not worth it anymore. I barely have time to solder, this kind of tippy-toeing and river dance needed to get it to consistently work just doesn't fit into my life schedule. I barely even play anymore since I started soldering...  ::)
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: selfdestroyer on December 10, 2013, 09:54:32 AM
Quote from: muddyfox on December 10, 2013, 09:35:26 AM
I'm starting to think it may be my iron (just a regular clothes iron, steam off) but with all the hassle it's just not worth it anymore.

That's all I use is a home use Black and Decker iron turned all the way up and steam off. I really think its a matter of the glossy paper I use and the length of ironing.
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: mcalaff on December 10, 2013, 10:20:44 AM
Gorgeous! Nice, very nice!
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: Cortexturizer on December 10, 2013, 10:24:28 AM
This is gorgeous. Absolute perfection. Way the go man!
I have been interested in this circuit for a while, gotta make it someday. People say it cleans up VERY nicely with the guitar volume knob. Would you say it does?
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: mcalaff on December 10, 2013, 10:35:47 AM
I made only one etch project and and was satisfactory. Now i plan to make a reverse etching and as you say I think the paper influences. Provably the finish of enclosure influences too. Surely a fine finish is not the best for transfer the toner to enclosure.
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: muddyfox on December 10, 2013, 10:46:35 AM
Quote from: mcalaff on December 10, 2013, 10:35:47 AM
Surely a fine finish is not the best for transfer the toner to enclosure.

There are people who get perfect finishes with mirror finish sanding, something about the face being almost perfectly flat and heating up equally as opposed to hot/cold spots when the face is not perfectly flat?
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: kothoma on December 10, 2013, 11:13:44 AM
Wow! Great build, I really love it. Demos by any chance?
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: madbean on December 10, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
Quote from: muddyfox on December 10, 2013, 09:35:26 AM

I've done a few etches (never a reverse etch, mind you) rather successfully. The only thing that ever worked for me was PnP blue but for one it's certainly not cheap getting it from overseas and two it was far from perfect. It's really sensitive to temperature and it would either not stick enough or smudge.
I've tried all sorts of printers on all sorts of paper (OHP, sticker backing, photo, magazine glossy) and never would it stick properly to the enclosure. I've tried rough enclosures, I've tried sanding for half an hour up to 1000 wet mirror polish and it. just. wouldn't. stick. properly.
I'm starting to think it may be my iron (just a regular clothes iron, steam off) but with all the hassle it's just not worth it anymore. I barely have time to solder, this kind of tippy-toeing and river dance needed to get it to consistently work just doesn't fit into my life schedule. I barely even play anymore since I started soldering...  ::)

You need to sand with a lower grit to get it to transfer. The surface should be visually scratched...this allows the toner to grab onto the surface when heated through.
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: muddyfox on December 10, 2013, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: madbean on December 10, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
You need to sand with a lower grit to get it to transfer. The surface should be visually scratched...this allows the toner to grab onto the surface when heated through.

Trust me Brian, I've tried everything from 100 dry to 2000 wet, for some reason it hasn't made much of a difference. Mostly it's the paper that won't release the toner and/or not smudge at the same time.
It could also be due to toner at work, I'm at the mercy of the local refill place where we get the toner...
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: pryde on December 10, 2013, 01:42:07 PM
Wow really dig this build, just superb!

Not to derail the thread but @muddyfox:
If you have not tried my enclosure etch tutorial give it a go:

http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=11078.0

Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: muddyfox on December 10, 2013, 01:45:58 PM

Man TBH I've read so many tutorials that I've lost count!  ;D
I see you are also a proponent of the smooth surfaces for toner adhesion... I've pretty much given up on etching but I'll probably give it another go these days and try your tutorial out. Thanks!

Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: rullywowr on December 10, 2013, 02:39:17 PM
That's totally classy, and great etching inside and out!  Marshall knobs plus font add a great touch to the entire pedal.  The color is badass too.  I'm inspired to try my own hand at a reverse etch like that now.
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: Hexjibber on December 10, 2013, 03:13:51 PM
That's wicked man! A great etch and the metallic paint really sets it off, I've been thinking about trying metallic paints with reverse etching for a while now so will definitely get on it after seeing this result, top work! :)
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: selfdestroyer on December 10, 2013, 04:29:03 PM
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I'll see if I can get a demo of this thing up this week. I am so bad at demos.
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: jkokura on December 10, 2013, 04:50:02 PM
Brilliant. I love the finish on that, and the knobs are a perfect touch. If that sounds as Marshall as it looks, you've got a major winner there.

Jacob
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: brejna on December 10, 2013, 04:59:21 PM
Awesome build, your reverse etching is on top level.. I've tried it 3-4 times and they all ended bad..
Btw what do you use for etching?
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: raulduke on December 10, 2013, 05:01:28 PM
Very very clean build.

I dig it!
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: G.G. on December 10, 2013, 05:52:02 PM
wow, that really did come out great. Excellent work!!
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: billstein on December 10, 2013, 05:53:07 PM
That is really nice. Did you spray on the hammertone?
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: jubal81 on December 10, 2013, 07:58:32 PM
The one tip I have for etching that's made a big difference for me in getting the toner to stick is preheating the surface before I put the paper on it.
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: muddyfox on December 10, 2013, 10:36:08 PM

Now this is something I thought about but never actually followed through. How much do you sand, J.?
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: ncdb07 on December 11, 2013, 12:32:45 AM
Awesome!



ncdb07
Daniel
Title: Re: Swamprat build
Post by: slimtriggers on December 11, 2013, 12:57:42 AM
That lettering is perfect!  I don't know how you sanded those letters shiny without scuffing up the rest of the paint, but it came out amazing!