Has anyone else seen this!? :)
http://www.taydaelectronics.com/custom-pcb
I wonder how it would compare to itead, quality- and price-wise.
Well that's nifty.
Part of me thinks "Awesome", and part of me worries that the designs submitted will get rebranded and sold in "Tayda complete pedal kits" when they come out in February (complete conjecture and speculation on my behalf, but it's a logical market they would grow into).
It's interesting, that's for certain. I would suspect that they are aware of iTead's pricing structure and would try to match or beat it.
iTead's quality has been remarkably good in my experience. If Tayda is going to enter this field, I hope that they have a higher quality standard than they do with their components.
I've never had any quality issues with their stuff, but from what I've read I would be sceptical on the quality, and the turnaround time. I use iTead quite a lot, and must say they are great quality and cheap, and if Tayda can match or beat them with quality and price then I would use it. But the quality of the board would be more important then the cost IMO.
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Quote from: stevie1556 on December 19, 2013, 10:01:20 PM
I've never had any quality issues with their stuff, but from what I've read I would be sceptical on the quality, and the turnaround time. I use iTead quite a lot, and must say they are great quality and cheap, and if Tayda can match or beat them with quality and price then I would use it. But the quality of the board would be more important then the cost IMO.
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Yep. Exactly. The cost per board from iTead is so reasonable, it's not worth going with lower quality just to save a couple bucks.
For 10 boards in the 5x5cm size, it's $9.90, which for me works out about £6.25, which makes them ridiculously cheap!
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So, sames as itead and seeed.
Jacob
I think the Tayda is quote only (or at least I didn't see a price).
I *think* Stevie is talking about iTead at $9.90/10 small PCBs, but I could be mistaken.
Yeah, I also think he's talking ITead...
Incidentally, my last ITead order arrived in less than three weeks and my last Seeed order was more in Tayda territory, six full weeks.
I might give it a shot.
Kind of off topic, but OSH has been lightning fast lately. I'm getting boards in less than 2 weeks after I place an order. :o
Quote from: jubal81 on December 19, 2013, 11:55:35 PMI might give it a shot.
Kind of off topic, but OSH has been lightning fast lately. I'm getting boards in less than 2 weeks after I place an order. :o
Same here, I just received a shipping notification for boards I ordered on december 12.
As for Tayda, I'll wait for feedback before giving their service a try, but as already stated I am not sure they can bring something new to the game compared to itead. But I hope I'll be mistaken.
Quote from: jubal81 on December 19, 2013, 11:55:35 PM
I might give it a shot.
Kind of off topic, but OSH has been lightning fast lately. I'm getting boards in less than 2 weeks after I place an order. :o
Same for me, too. They must be busy as every order I place seems to get assigned to a panel almost immediately.
Quote from: jubal81 on December 19, 2013, 11:55:35 PM
I might give it a shot.
Kind of off topic, but OSH has been lightning fast lately. I'm getting boards in less than 2 weeks after I place an order. :o
Trust me, this doesn't happen if you live on the other side of the Pacific ocean from OSH. It's usually six to eight weeks for me.
So, has anyone actually received a quote from Tayda?
I sent them an email about 5 days before Xmas asking whether they could work with ExpressPCB files (admittedly a long shot) - as yet, no reply....
Acc
Quote from: jaidee on December 30, 2013, 10:09:54 PM
So, has anyone actually received a quote from Tayda?
I sent them an email about 5 days before Xmas asking whether they could work with ExpressPCB files (admittedly a long shot) - as yet, no reply....
ording to my order, they're out of the office til about te 2nd.
I was generally wondering what your experiences with tayda are. From their homepage they act to be the saints of hobby electronics shipping asap, etc.
Do you guys often use this shop? As I'm from Austria I use musikding.de (http://musikding.de). I can strongly recommend them (for central european buyers at least), they've got a lot of stuff at reasonable prices, although the shipping outside of Germany is rather heavy.
Frequently I use them for passives. Stomps can be hit or miss.
Quote from: m-Kresol on December 30, 2013, 10:42:28 PM
I was generally wondering what your experiences with tayda are. From their homepage they act to be the saints of hobby electronics shipping asap, etc.
Do you guys often use this shop? As I'm from Austria I use musikding.de (http://musikding.de). I can strongly recommend them (for central european buyers at least), they've got a lot of stuff at reasonable prices, although the shipping outside of Germany is rather heavy.
I find them to be a mixed bag. I like buying their Alpha pots and I get breadboards from them
Most of their hardware is pretty bad and not worth using. Their ceramic caps are some of the lowest grade you'll find, but they are cheap. Their film caps work fine. I avoid their electros but many report no issues with them.
I think I'm done with their diodes as I've had too many out of spec, some of which the labeling clearly doesn't match the known manufacturer's markings. Their JFets are often fake as well.
As I had no problems with supply lines yet (except for J201 which I got from Brian in the end with my PCBs), I guess I'll stick with my german supplier
Just got a quote from Tayda for a batch of 10 boards (2" x 2", double sided)
The quoted price was over $100, all sorts of setup/artwork charges. :o
I'm quite surprised, the exact same batch would be just over $20 from iTead...
I never noticed this till today
http://www.taydaelectronics.com/pcb/diy-guitar-effects/super-hard-on-diy-pcb-guitar-effect.html
Quote from: pickdropper on December 30, 2013, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on December 30, 2013, 10:42:28 PM
I was generally wondering what your experiences with tayda are. From their homepage they act to be the saints of hobby electronics shipping asap, etc.
Do you guys often use this shop? As I'm from Austria I use musikding.de (http://musikding.de). I can strongly recommend them (for central european buyers at least), they've got a lot of stuff at reasonable prices, although the shipping outside of Germany is rather heavy.
I find them to be a mixed bag. I like buying their Alpha pots and I get breadboards from them
Most of their hardware is pretty bad and not worth using. Their ceramic caps are some of the lowest grade you'll find, but they are cheap. Their film caps work fine. I avoid their electros but many report no issues with them.
I think I'm done with their diodes as I've had too many out of spec, some of which the labeling clearly doesn't match the known manufacturer's markings. Their JFets are often fake as well.
^this
Just stopped getting diodes from them too as they last two lots have been crap. Their J201's are fakes as you said also. A lot of their ICs are cheap and real though. So it tends to be those and pots we get from there now. Caps, resistors and diodes we source locally now.
Shame, and I hope they notice people stopping buying the shit that they've started stocking and then maybe, maybe some of these Chinese distributers will realise that people actually want some quality to the components. Selling fake stuff is just stupid though. That does no one any favours and damages their reputation.
Quote from: juansolo on January 10, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
Quote from: pickdropper on December 30, 2013, 11:07:07 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on December 30, 2013, 10:42:28 PM
I was generally wondering what your experiences with tayda are. From their homepage they act to be the saints of hobby electronics shipping asap, etc.
Do you guys often use this shop? As I'm from Austria I use musikding.de (http://musikding.de). I can strongly recommend them (for central european buyers at least), they've got a lot of stuff at reasonable prices, although the shipping outside of Germany is rather heavy.
I find them to be a mixed bag. I like buying their Alpha pots and I get breadboards from them
Most of their hardware is pretty bad and not worth using. Their ceramic caps are some of the lowest grade you'll find, but they are cheap. Their film caps work fine. I avoid their electros but many report no issues with them.
I think I'm done with their diodes as I've had too many out of spec, some of which the labeling clearly doesn't match the known manufacturer's markings. Their JFets are often fake as well.
^this
Just stopped getting diodes from them too as they last two lots have been crap. Their J201's are fakes as you said also. A lot of their ICs are cheap and real though. So it tends to be those and pots we get from there now. Caps, resistors and diodes we source locally now.
Shame, and I hope they notice people stopping buying the shit that they've started stocking and then maybe, maybe some of these Chinese distributers will realise that people actually want some quality to the components. Selling fake stuff is just stupid though. That does no one any favours and damages their reputation.
Maybe, but if people keep on wanting components for as little as possible they will no doubt keep churning out the crap.
If they could stock a mother-load of real Fairchild J201's and 2N5457's, even with a price increase, they would no doubt sell like hot cakes.
I agree with the above. I love Tayda for what they are, but you have to pick and choose what you want as not all of it is prime. Kind of like shopping a discount chinese tool store. If you order during the monthly 15% coupon code..it is like getting free shipping plus a little extra off. Check with jimilee for more details (lol) ;D
Stuff I like to order from Tayda:
-1590B/BB Enclosures (NS clones)
-Right angle alpha 16mm pots! Yay.
-Bourns 3362 clone trimmers (good value and look/feel better than the cheap 2c ones)
-Film caps (check with your local supplier sometimes it is cheaper from Mouser especially ordering lots of 100+ etc..)
-Some knobs (small MXR, marshall, boss, OK...the davies clones kinda suck)
-Ceramic pF caps, they are cheap and brown but work OK.
-Resistors (work totally fine but have thin leads which some don't like).
-ICs...good value for TL072, TL071, 4558 etc. Not bad at all.
-Charge pumps (TC1044SCPA) pretty good value here
-ATtiny85/ATmega328P - not a bad deal for you Arduino/Atmel freaks out there :)
-IC sockets (DIP-8 DIP16 etc) good value. I like the cheap spring ones, never a problem
-SIP sockets (decent)
- 1x40 and 2x40 Header pins (if you use a lot, bulk is cheaper on eBay in lots of 200 pcs+)
- DIP switches
- DPDT/SPDT etc toggles. They are just fine, but the short handle (short bat) are sexier from www.bitcheslovemyswitches.com
- 3PDT stomps...I don't have a problem with these but some report that they do
- Solid stranded color wire...good value but sometimes they come on a spool and sometimes come kinked in a bag...mixed here but works just fine
Stay away from...
-Their fake J201s (bleccch)
-Diodes can be hit or miss...best to try and get from a reputable supplier
-Electro caps...are "no name" ...it is about the same price as buying name brand from Mouser etc (Panasonic, Nichicon etc) and you can get shorter heights (5mm/7mm)
-1/4" Jacks are pretty cheaply made...all of em' actually. I prefer to get legit Neutrik or Switchcraft if you care at all about the build
Good summary Ben.
Jacob
I got a bad batch of 78L05 regulators AND a bad batch of LM317 regulators from Tayda.
"The food here tastes like gasoline and last time I ate here I had rectal bleeding for a week."
"But there's a coupon. And the Saltines are OK."
"I DO like Saltines ... "
I'd agree with Ben's assessment, with the exception of the PCB mount stereo Neutrik style jacks (the ones that date back to when they only carried a couple of types), they're actually really nice, but all the rest of the jacks are crap. That being said, when you buy the same price point knock offs from the other guys (looking at you Banzai), they are equally crap.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/73135424/madbean%20meme/taydameme.jpg)
I mostly agree with Ben, although I won't use their toggles in anything I expect to live. I use them for bread boarding, though.
The TC1044 are actually cheaper at Mouser if you buy 10, so I just get them there.
Quote from: jubal81 on January 10, 2014, 05:42:17 PM
"The food here tastes like gasoline and last time I ate here I had rectal bleeding for a week."
"But there's a coupon. And the Saltines are OK."
"I DO like Saltines ... "
That reminds me of the old Woody Allen quote about the restaurant patrons that complained that the food was terrible and the portions were too small.
I put £135 worth of orders in yesterday. £15 of that was at Tayda. That says it all really.
Quote from: rullywowr on January 10, 2014, 04:25:54 PM
-Some knobs (small MXR, marshall, boss, OK...the davies clones kinda suck)
- DPDT/SPDT etc toggles. They are just fine, but the short handle (short bat) are sexier from www.bitcheslovemyswitches.com
-1/4" Jacks are pretty cheaply made...all of em' actually. I prefer to get legit Neutrik or Switchcraft if you care at all about the build
I've got a bag of blue small MXR knobs that don't fit on any bloody pot :( so I ordered a few dozen knobs from Smallbear on my next order. The Marshall and Fender-y knobs are good, though. The Davies clones are a bit shonky, but they sort of work.
I looked at BLMS, a couple times. The shipping scared the crap out of me, though.
Their open frame jacks are pretty bad, yeah. Their Cliff-style jacks (the all plastic ones) are good, although it is annoying soldering to PCB pins.
I've used their power jacks on dozens of builds, but I'm starting to go off them. I'm sick of the damn nuts backing off and the jack going loose. (And you strip the threads if you even try to tighten them.)
I'm a fan of Tayda myself.
I don't think its fair saying "their ??? is crap" because the prices are so low. If you want budget prices you are going to get budget product.
When It comes to their ICs and passives their prices are great, and the product is just fine. When it comes to some of the hardware, well I agree about the quality there, but they are priced accordingly.
Now if someone has some experience with the PCB service... speak up!
Quote from: aballen on January 10, 2014, 10:08:26 PM
I'm a fan of Tayda myself.
I don't think its fair saying "their ??? is crap" because the prices are so low. If you want budget prices you are going to get budget product.
When It comes to their ICs and passives their prices are great, and the product is just fine. When it comes to some of the hardware, well I agree about the quality there, but they are priced accordingly.
Now if someone has some experience with the PCB service... speak up!
I think that is a reasonable take on it. Basically, you get what you pay for. I don't have a problem with calling the lower quality parts crap, though. That lets others reading these threads realize that there is a quality compromise before they buy. There are a few things I've gotten that I probably would've skipped if I had known what they were.
I've had generally good luck with their ICs, save for some Burr Brown ICs that I believe are probably fake.
Sometimes, using cheap hardware for a beater build just makes more sense. I am sure most of us have done that from time to time. I know that I would avoid paying for product if I knew it used some of the Tayda hardware, however.
I think 70% of my parts came from Tayda last year since it was a cheap way to get started in this hobby. I have made dozens of great effect with all Tayda parts. But, I have also had to learn how to test some hardware before I use it or find it as a bad part in the troubleshooting process. I have received a few bad elec caps and a few out of range transistors but thats about it. The only thing I really stayed away from was their jacks and 3PDT switches.
I bought a lot of Tayda's j201's last spring and have not tried them yet. Anybody know exactly what they are?
It will be interesting to see the quality of these boards. Madbeans ive never had a trace lift yet. Radio shack pcbs, forget it touch it twice and the trace curls right up. Only time will tell
Quote from: aballen on January 10, 2014, 10:08:26 PMNow if someone has some experience with the PCB service... speak up!
At over $100 for 10 boards, you won't be hearing it from me. ;)