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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: jubal81 on December 23, 2013, 10:30:51 PM

Title: Interesting article on multilayer ceramics
Post by: jubal81 on December 23, 2013, 10:30:51 PM
This article on EDN breaks down why even X7R could be problematic in certain designs - basically they change value with voltage and produce harmonics. They were hitting it with max-rated voltage, but in a humble stompbox we're only talking about a couple volts - maybe 10% of max rating. The harmonics thing is interesting.

I've used them all over the place and never noticed any difference in sound, even in A/B comparisons. Might be enough of an excuse to start using the cheaper electrolytics more.

Anyway, here's the link (http://www.edn.com/design/analog/4426318/1/More-about-understanding-the-distortion-mechanism-of-high-K-MLCCs).

Excerpt:
" ... As a result, the value of the capacitor is changing instantaneously due to the applied signal, causing distortion in the current waveform. We demonstrated this by producing a SPICE model for a capacitor that replicates the voltage coefficient of a typical 50V X7R capacitor. The X7R capacitor models produced a large number of harmonics when used to simulate a Sallen-Key lowpass filter."

(http://m.eet.com/media/1202578/F8x600.jpg)
Title: Re: Interesting article on multilayer ceramics
Post by: pickdropper on December 23, 2013, 10:48:50 PM
It really depends on what your requirements are.  The highest harmonic is 60 dBV down, which isn't exactly close.  I have seen the distortion in ceramic caps cause a problem, but that was on a device that was measuring at VERY low levels.  Far below anything you'd see in a musical environment.

Voltage and Temperature can come into play.  This is a pretty interesting article as well:

http://www.johansondielectrics.com/technical-notes/product-training/basics-of-ceramic-chip-capacitors.html