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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: midwayfair on January 10, 2014, 02:30:02 AM

Title: NRIFD
Post by: midwayfair on January 10, 2014, 02:30:02 AM
New recording interface day!

My Scarlett 18i8 arrived yesterday and I set it up tonight. A pair of Audio Technica mics (2020 and 2021) also arrived, but I decided to try recording direct to one of GrarageBand's amp emulators ("sparkling clean" with a tiny bit of delay and reverb) to test out the preamps, and it sounds pretty good ... in fact I'm not totally sure I could mic my amp well enough to make it sound too much better.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9878279/Test%20recordings/Scarlett%2018i8.JPG)
[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/jon-patton-3/bbotb-interface-test-scarlett[/soundcloud]

Recorded something with overdubs ... all the guitars here are the Don Q caster, including the bass.
[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/jon-patton-3/strattin-around[/soundcloud]
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: selfdestroyer on January 10, 2014, 04:04:50 AM
Glad you found something that works for your needs. The clips sound great. I love my Focusrite Saffire 24.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: jubal81 on January 10, 2014, 04:37:48 AM
Sounds pretty good. The playing is fantastic, too.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: raulduke on January 10, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Jon; I seriously recommend you try Native Instruments Guitar Rig.

The stuff you can do with it is insane (crazy routing etc.).

The only things that don't sound so good (IMO) are the analogue pedal emulations (boost, OD, Fuzz, Chorus, Phaser etc.)... but I think you might be covered in that regard  ;)

I can upload some clips if interested...
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: midwayfair on January 10, 2014, 01:02:04 PM
Quote from: raulduke on January 10, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
I can upload some clips if interested...

Please do!

I'm going to be switching to Ableton (and then Logic when I can afford it), I just went to GarageBand last night because I haven't finished reading the instruction manual and wanted to test things. I'll need plugins for other DAWs.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: raulduke on January 10, 2014, 01:10:04 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on January 10, 2014, 01:02:04 PM
Please do!

I'm going to be switching to Ableton (and then Logic when I can afford it), I just went to GarageBand last night because I haven't finished reading the instruction manual and wanted to test things. I'll need plugins for other DAWs.
Warning: Geek out time... I love this stuff  ;D

It looks expensive, but if you buy Native Instruments Komplete package, you will get enough plugins and synths to explore for a lifetime. It actually works out as a bargain when you look at what you get.

Reaktor in particular is AMAZING. I think you would love it. You can pretty much build whatever synth or effect you can think of.

I love Ableton too. Been using it since V3 and it is the dogs proverbial's. If you have any questions or need any help when getting started just let me know!

I honestly think you will not need Logic if you get into what Ableton can do (ie. everything you could think of  ;D)

I'll upload a clip for a new song I've done later (to play with my Stoner Rock loving Jam Band... we are too lazy to play fast music  ;)).

All guitars were done using Guitar Rig (using a few pedals), and all drums are Native Instruments Abbey Road Drums.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: sirbergersworth on January 10, 2014, 03:52:57 PM
I use guitar rig a bit as we'll. best amp soft sim in my opinion. The recorders/loopers are excellent, useful and fun.
I agree the amps sound good but the effects etc are just ok.


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Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: selfdestroyer on January 10, 2014, 05:11:20 PM
I was a huge fan of Guitar Rig until I upgraded to Logic Pro X and their built in amp simulator is excellent.

Here is info on the amp emulation
http://logicstudiotraining.com/wiki/index.php/Amp_Designer (http://logicstudiotraining.com/wiki/index.php/Amp_Designer)

You can adjust mic placement and change the amp and cab just like in Guitar Rig. Just  a thought if you were thinking of going the Logic route.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: jkokura on January 10, 2014, 05:52:14 PM
Nice. Focusrite make good stuff. I was looking at their interfaces, but realized I didn't need all the extra features. Besides, I really like using Studio One, so working with Presonus is awesome for that. If you use Reaper, or Audacity, or something like that, Presonus isn't quite as exciting anymore.

Jacob
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: rullywowr on January 10, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
Sexy!  I had a Focusrite sapphire for about a week but ended up returning it because the software wouldn't go into any mode higher than 44.1k. The do make great sounding stuff and I'm sure they worked out the bugs by now across the model line.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: midwayfair on January 13, 2014, 02:31:29 AM
Quote from: rullywowr on January 10, 2014, 05:56:37 PM
Sexy!  I had a Focusrite sapphire for about a week but ended up returning it because the software wouldn't go into any mode higher than 44.1k. The do make great sounding stuff and I'm sure they worked out the bugs by now across the model line.

The Scarletts go up to 96K, but I haven't tried recording anything above 44.1K yet.

Did a bit more recording for practice tonight. Still learning Ableton Live, so this one's in GarageBand again, using their amp sims. Still direct ... not really much space here for my pedalboard, though this one could have used some volume pedal work, and I would have preferred to use the El Cap for the delay, but still, I'm pretty happy for it as a practice setup. You catch so many more mistakes and can really try a lot of licks. It's also helping me understand arranging better. I just forgot how darn useful recording yourself is for a practice.

[soundcloud]https://soundcloud.com/jon-patton-3/hard-times[/soundcloud]
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: whitebread47 on January 13, 2014, 04:30:46 AM
Nice!  I have the 2i2 and it was an excellent replacement for the Saffire 16 I had before (new computer wasn't compatible with it due to USB routing or something).  I love Focusrite stuff.

Quote from: raulduke on January 10, 2014, 09:46:25 AM
Jon; I seriously recommend you try Native Instruments Guitar Rig.

The stuff you can do with it is insane (crazy routing etc.).

The only things that don't sound so good (IMO) are the analogue pedal emulations (boost, OD, Fuzz, Chorus, Phaser etc.)... but I think you might be covered in that regard  ;)

I can upload some clips if interested...

Agreed!  For pedal sims, I think Amplitube sounds better.  I use both regularly.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: GrindCustoms on January 13, 2014, 06:22:08 AM
Nice grab! Focusrite stuff is solid, only thing i disliked from the Saffire24 i had was the standalone features that where not working.. :o
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: jtn191 on January 14, 2014, 04:26:34 AM
I liked Amplitube a bit more than guitar rig, but now I'm back to using real amps!
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: midwayfair on January 16, 2014, 03:42:35 AM
Picked up LogicPro today ...

Holy crap, what a difference. I didn't finish a recording in it yet, but it's amazing how much better it sounds.

I think I'll stick with the Logic amp plugins for now, but thanks everyone for the plugin software suggestions ... if I start getting more useful stuff out of this, I might upgrade to some nicer plugins.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: jimilee on January 16, 2014, 04:26:03 AM
I swear you can hear the difference with logic pro, it sounds cleaner than garageband and I think it's easier to use than cubase.
Title: Re: NRIFD
Post by: midwayfair on January 16, 2014, 02:44:36 PM
Quote from: jimilee on January 16, 2014, 04:26:03 AM
I swear you can hear the difference with logic pro, it sounds cleaner than garageband and I think it's easier to use than cubase.

It's not just cleaner, there's a higher signal:noise ratio (this was the biggest thing I noticed right away), and less compression (even with the compressors off in Garageband, it still has a little bit of stickiness on the basic track).