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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: Cortexturizer on January 30, 2014, 04:32:18 PM

Title: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: Cortexturizer on January 30, 2014, 04:32:18 PM
...but I haven't found it, sorry guys. Maybe i was too lazy. Maybe this thread will be useful for others in the future.
So how can one use his or her pedals to process sound coming from a mic?
I have a new band, and we would like for the singer to sing through some stuff, like reverb, phaser, delay, or all of those in the same time, you know, that psychedelic lo-fi sound. What are the minimum requirements for such a scenario? So,
mic => ? => few pedals => ? => PA
And please don't LMGTFY me, I'd rather hear your opinion. So the results don't need to be stellar, just enough for starters. Money is an issue, my singer can't invest in new gear now, hence my pedals. It would probably be so much easier to just buy gear that's supposed to be used in such a scenario, like vocal effect processors and all that.
I am a total noob here, everything from jacks needed, cables, to what "?" in ,mic => ? => few pedals => ? => PA, chain stands for, I wanna know about it.
Thanks a bunch!
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: selfdestroyer on January 30, 2014, 05:16:45 PM
I am working on a pedal for vocals and I just use a XLR to 1/4" adpater to test with and it works fine in a live atmosphere. Im sure in recording there is a better way to do it with a preamp but for live it will work just fine. My pedal is a EP Booster - Multiplex Jr - Tenebrion with a short brick. Works great so far on the test rig and its now time to box it.

Cody
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: Stig on January 30, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
I would say xlr with a standard jack in one end into pedals, with a booster of some sort in. No probs.


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Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: spaceboss on January 30, 2014, 06:12:08 PM
I think this is the proper way to do it:

http://www.radialeng.com/extc.php

I've been keeping an eye out for a good homebuilt alternative for quite some time.
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: selfdestroyer on January 30, 2014, 06:23:33 PM
Also, for the project I am working on I bought some of the Neutrix Combo jacks to mount on the enclosure. XLR & 1/4 combos jacks I think NCJ9FI-V was the models I ended up ordering from mouser.

For my testing I used a Shure SM58 into my testing rig and straight to my reverb twin and had no excessive noise or issues. I am sure this will work for you unless your trying to get studio quality vocal effects. For me, I was trying to achieve the lofi sound of say  The Black Angles and Ty Segall and I feel I have achieved that.
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: das234 on January 30, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
I've used a little gizmo like this: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LittleIMP/  to convert a balanced xlr mic cable to an unbalanced 1/4" plug.  It's very simple and inexpensive.  I don't recall if I ever plugged it directly into guitar pedals though.  You may need a preamp in there first.  I can check it out when I get home if you like.  Otherwise, effects send/return on your mixer or amp should work.
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: selfdestroyer on January 30, 2014, 07:28:37 PM
I wonder if this would be useful to make

http://www.eeweb.com/blog/extreme_circuits/low-impedance-microphone-amplifier (http://www.eeweb.com/blog/extreme_circuits/low-impedance-microphone-amplifier)
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: blackedition on January 30, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
i think you could use this pedal offering from pigtronix to do what you are suggesting (plus more ;) ).   maybe someone has traced the circuit?  just a thought...

http://www.pigtronix.com/products/keymaster/
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: midwayfair on January 31, 2014, 03:21:37 AM
Quote from: das234 on January 30, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
I've used a little gizmo like this: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LittleIMP/  to convert a balanced xlr mic cable to an unbalanced 1/4" plug.  It's very simple and inexpensive.  I don't recall if I ever plugged it directly into guitar pedals though.  You may need a preamp in there first.  I can check it out when I get home if you like.  Otherwise, effects send/return on your mixer or amp should work.

This is the right way. It's tough to build something like this cheaper, too. Sure also has one.
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: Cortexturizer on February 27, 2014, 10:53:02 PM
Quote from: das234 on January 30, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
I've used a little gizmo like this: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LittleIMP/  to convert a balanced xlr mic cable to an unbalanced 1/4" plug.  It's very simple and inexpensive.  I don't recall if I ever plugged it directly into guitar pedals though.  You may need a preamp in there first.  I can check it out when I get home if you like.  Otherwise, effects send/return on your mixer or amp should work.

WOW that is genius! Haven't been on this thread, neglected it completely and now I can see the solution has been waiting for me. Thanks so much, I will order this asap.

SO, after all the pedals, then I need something to lower the impedance once again right? Before the mixing console, or just to plug it in into a 1/4 in and that's it. Of course it might depend on the console, but as a general rule of thumb?
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: das234 on February 28, 2014, 02:53:29 PM
Use the adapter from the mic to the pedals then, after the effects, just plug it in to a 1/4" input.  Should be fine. 
Title: Re: I'm sure there's answer somewhere here
Post by: Cortexturizer on February 28, 2014, 03:01:53 PM
cool, I'll report once I've tried it!