Hey guys,
Just looking for opinions here.
-Do you use a 3PDT Wiring/Daughter board?
-Where do you get yours from?
-Why do you use/don't use one?
-Who has the best one?
-What is the average velocity of an un-maiden swallow?
Thanks ;D
Nah. Momentary switches with relays.
Sometimes i do, sometimes I don't. It mostly depends on the board that's getting boxed, if it has 9v/gnd/in/out pads located more or less together then I'll use the 3pdt board. If the offboard wire pads are all over the place then I mostly don't.
I've tried various 3pdt boards and right now I'm using 1776 ones. When I run out of those I'll try Ben's. I also have a few orphans lying around that I don't remember where they came from.
Come to think of it, I don't know why I don't just make my own batch. ::)
African or european? Dead or alive? ;D
If I'm not mistaken, Jubal uses these here
http://1776effects.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1776-Relay-Bypass-BOM.pdf
EDIT: and while we're on the subject, where to find decent (i.e. !=Tayda) momentary spsts for it that has reasonable shipping to Europe and doesn't require a $10000 purchase? This is pretty much the only reason I've been putting off trying these boards...
Carlings are expensive, anyone try these?
http://www.banzaimusic.com/SW1065M-SPST-Momentary-Footswitch.html
i would recommend any of the 3pdt pcb's from 1776
The 1776 seem to be pretty popular. Any one use them in the 1590A enclosures?
Quote from: flanagan0718 on February 18, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
Hey guys,
Just looking for opinions here.
-Do you use a 3PDT Wiring/Daughter board?
-Where do you get yours from?
-Why do you use/don't use one?
-Who has the best one?
-What is the average velocity of an un-maiden swallow?
Thanks ;D
I use the 1776 boards.
Assuming that you mean an
unladen swallow, it's about 11 meters per second, for the European variety.
Another vote for the 1776 PCBs.
I've previously used these:
http://oshpark.com/shared_projects/NEyLF35L
They are not bad for the cheaper alternative. What I like about the 1776 board is that you have seperate "sections" for everything - the input jack, the output jack, etc. That makes it a bit easier when planing out the lengths to use. Here everything is tied to one spot and its a bit annoying since the LEDs and the 9 volt DC Jack has to be wired offboard
I use my own that I did.
But you can't go wrong with 1776 stuff.
His relay bypass boards are also really nice.
If you are going for 1590A size, I think the easiest bet is to still wire them the long way (no switch PCB).
Quote from: flanagan0718 on February 18, 2014, 03:08:01 PM
The 1776 seem to be pretty popular. Any one use them in the 1590A enclosures?
Too big for that. In the osh park thread, there is a mini 3pdt board. I use those too, work great for 1590a. I use the 1776 boards for multi builds.
Don't use one, partly because I'm too cheap to bother, partly because I never remember. They just run connections from pads on the board to the switch, most of 'em, and the only thing they do that I'd consider for making my life easier is the LED/CLR boardmounting.
Quote from: raulduke on February 18, 2014, 03:20:25 PM
If you are going for 1590A size, I think the easiest bet is to still wire them the long way (no switch PCB).
I would have thought of this as the
short way 'round, half as many solder joints to be made and as such their use for standard switching setups with big blue 3pdt switches totally puzzles me.
dave
After seeing pics of such neat wiring with those 1776 board, I tried one and my pedals still look like rats nests :o Ah well - it did help a little.
I'm making my own lately with LED, anti-pop input and output resistors and my flavor of power filtering so I can use anyone's PCB or some VERO layout and still have the basics the way I like them.
Quote from: muddyfox on February 18, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
EDIT: and while we're on the subject, where to find decent (i.e. !=Tayda) momentary spsts for it that has reasonable shipping to Europe and doesn't require a $10000 purchase? This is pretty much the only reason I've been putting off trying these boards...
Carlings are expensive, anyone try these?
http://www.banzaimusic.com/SW1065M-SPST-Momentary-Footswitch.html
I've used this one in my ZeroPoint SDX:
http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster (http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster)
Since I've never used any parts before, I can't say if that is a good one, but I had no problems with it yet. Shipping is ok (if your in Germany), outside it gets really heavy and is only worth it with bigger deliveries.
Quote from: m-Kresol on February 18, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: muddyfox on February 18, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
EDIT: and while we're on the subject, where to find decent (i.e. !=Tayda) momentary spsts for it that has reasonable shipping to Europe and doesn't require a $10000 purchase? This is pretty much the only reason I've been putting off trying these boards...
Carlings are expensive, anyone try these?
http://www.banzaimusic.com/SW1065M-SPST-Momentary-Footswitch.html
I've used this one in my ZeroPoint SDX:
http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster (http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster)
Since I've never used any parts before, I can't say if that is a good one, but I had no problems with it yet. Shipping is ok (if your in Germany), outside it gets really heavy and is only worth it with bigger deliveries.
This one is quite small! Nice! Any idea how good they are? How long they last? Cheers
Quote from: Gledison on February 18, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on February 18, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: muddyfox on February 18, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
EDIT: and while we're on the subject, where to find decent (i.e. !=Tayda) momentary spsts for it that has reasonable shipping to Europe and doesn't require a $10000 purchase? This is pretty much the only reason I've been putting off trying these boards...
Carlings are expensive, anyone try these?
http://www.banzaimusic.com/SW1065M-SPST-Momentary-Footswitch.html
I've used this one in my ZeroPoint SDX:
http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster (http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster)
Since I've never used any parts before, I can't say if that is a good one, but I had no problems with it yet. Shipping is ok (if your in Germany), outside it gets really heavy and is only worth it with bigger deliveries.
This one is quite small! Nice! Any idea how good they are? How long they last? Cheers
As I said, I have nothing to compare it to. I used it as the slam switch in the zeropoint SDX, which I don't use to often. Therefore it's hard for me to say. But up to now, I haven't had any problems with any of musikding's parts...
Quote from: m-Kresol on February 18, 2014, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: Gledison on February 18, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on February 18, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: muddyfox on February 18, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
EDIT: and while we're on the subject, where to find decent (i.e. !=Tayda) momentary spsts for it that has reasonable shipping to Europe and doesn't require a $10000 purchase? This is pretty much the only reason I've been putting off trying these boards...
Carlings are expensive, anyone try these?
http://www.banzaimusic.com/SW1065M-SPST-Momentary-Footswitch.html
I've used this one in my ZeroPoint SDX:
http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster (http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster)
Since I've never used any parts before, I can't say if that is a good one, but I had no problems with it yet. Shipping is ok (if your in Germany), outside it gets really heavy and is only worth it with bigger deliveries.
This one is quite small! Nice! Any idea how good they are? How long they last? Cheers
As I said, I have nothing to compare it to. I used it as the slam switch in the zeropoint SDX, which I don't use to often. Therefore it's hard for me to say. But up to now, I haven't had any problems with any of musikding's parts...
I've ordered these (see links below) from Tayda before and they are pretty good. I used them on a footswitch for my friends Roland cube amp. I also used them to upgrade the switches in my old DL4 and FM4
http://www.taydaelectronics.com/electromechanical/switches-key-pad/spst-momentary-soft-touch-push-button-stomp-foots-pedal-switch.html
Quote from: m-Kresol on February 18, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
I've used this one in my ZeroPoint SDX:
http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster (http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster)
Since I've never used any parts before, I can't say if that is a good one, but I had no problems with it yet. Shipping is ok (if your in Germany), outside it gets really heavy and is only worth it with bigger deliveries.
Looks exactly the same as the Banzai one. Oh well, I'm just gonna order a few and get a few of 1776 buffer boards. I've been putting it off for way too long.
Mine probably aren't the cheapest but they are there incase you need any when order other bits and pieces. They will fit into a 1590a, CLR on board but LED is wired offboard:
http://www.diyguitarpedals.com.au/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=70
Oh yeah, and there out of stock for probably another 3 weeks... ::)
Paul
Do the holes actually come out nice and oval?
More like...pill shaped (straight, with rounded edges) but they will fit both solder and pcb lug 3pdt's and are plated
Quote from: chromesphere on February 18, 2014, 10:29:48 PM
http://www.diyguitarpedals.com.au/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=70
Oh yeah, and there out of stock for probably another 3 weeks... ::)
Paul
Hmmm, I think I snaffled your last five....
They were the 5 left from the second version prototype boards. I have another lot coming in. :)
Have you used one yet? What did you think of them?
Paul
Quote from: chromesphere on February 18, 2014, 11:32:23 PM
They were the 5 left from the second version prototype boards. I have another lot coming in. :)
Have you used one yet? What did you think of them?
Paul
They haven't arrived yet, but they should be only a day or two away.
I must say I hate offboard wiring with a passion, I currently have three boxes laying around all finished except for the wiring.
I noticed earlier in this thread that gjcamann has some great little switch mounted pcb's for clippers and filters shared on Osh Park - what is the etiquette involved in getting some of these? Is it OK just to order them, or should you check with the designer first?
I don't know if there's an etiquette as such with shared osh park pcb's, not one that I know of. I would expect any pcb I've shared to be used in whatever the hell way the user feels. OSHPark should add a 'commission' for shared projects, like 20% of the sale goes to the creator. I reckon that would really encourage designers to share their projects, in a way that doesn't suck like tayda's. But that's a whole other conversation :)
Thanks Chromesphere! those boards look great for a 1590a. how much do you think shipping to the states is. I might grab some low profile caps while i'm at it.
Quote from: flanagan0718 on February 18, 2014, 07:47:47 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on February 18, 2014, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: Gledison on February 18, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on February 18, 2014, 05:47:47 PM
Quote from: muddyfox on February 18, 2014, 02:18:52 PM
EDIT: and while we're on the subject, where to find decent (i.e. !=Tayda) momentary spsts for it that has reasonable shipping to Europe and doesn't require a $10000 purchase? This is pretty much the only reason I've been putting off trying these boards...
Carlings are expensive, anyone try these?
http://www.banzaimusic.com/SW1065M-SPST-Momentary-Footswitch.html
I've used this one in my ZeroPoint SDX:
http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster (http://www.musikding.de/1PST-Fusstaster)
Since I've never used any parts before, I can't say if that is a good one, but I had no problems with it yet. Shipping is ok (if your in Germany), outside it gets really heavy and is only worth it with bigger deliveries.
This one is quite small! Nice! Any idea how good they are? How long they last? Cheers
As I said, I have nothing to compare it to. I used it as the slam switch in the zeropoint SDX, which I don't use to often. Therefore it's hard for me to say. But up to now, I haven't had any problems with any of musikding's parts...
I've ordered these (see links below) from Tayda before and they are pretty good. I used them on a footswitch for my friends Roland cube amp. I also used them to upgrade the switches in my old DL4 and FM4
http://www.taydaelectronics.com/electromechanical/switches-key-pad/spst-momentary-soft-touch-push-button-stomp-foots-pedal-switch.html
Sorry for my total ignorance, but how do you wire this little guys? im used to the 9 lugs 3pdt and have no idea bout the others..
cheers :P
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Sorry for my total ignorance, but how do you wire this little guys? im used to the 9 lugs 3pdt and have no idea bout the others..
cheers :P
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I used them in a pedal that already had a momentary switch. The opto boards are still a mystery to me.
No prob Flanagan, I have about 40 of these boards tacked onto a medium run from oshpark, gunna take a while for them to show up.
Gledison, you can use a relay and some extra circuitry to use a spst mom switch. I'm currently testing prototypes for spst mom and spst latched bypass pcb's.
Paul
Quote from: chromesphere on February 19, 2014, 09:13:20 PM
No prob Flanagan, I have about 40 of these boards tacked onto a medium run from oshpark, gunna take a while for them to show up.
Cool man, Just let me know how much shipping is to the USA and when the boards come in.
No worries the webstore should give you a total depending on the weight of the package. I'll try and remember to msg you when they come in. Could be 4-6 weeks :|
Quote from: chromesphere on February 19, 2014, 09:13:20 PM
No prob Flanagan, I have about 40 of these boards tacked onto a medium run from oshpark, gunna take a while for them to show up.
Gledison, you can use a relay and some extra circuitry to use a spst mom switch. I'm currently testing prototypes for spst mom and spst latched bypass pcb's.
Paul
Guys, Inglisch pliiiiise!!!
ehhehe
spst = single pole single throw
mom = momentary
latched = latched
switch = switch
Quote from: chromesphere on February 21, 2014, 09:13:18 AM
spst = single pole single throw
mom = momentary
latched = latched
switch = switch
Also;
No prob = that's OK
tacked onto = added to
gunna take = going to take
show up = arrive
;)
Paul your package arrived yesterday, the 3PDT boards are sweet, they fit a 1590a beautifully and because there's no overhang you can back the switch right up against the end.
Thanks for the feedback Ian, that's exactly what I had in mind for it! I know you can do all sorts of fancy things with 3pdt but I wanted to make my simple and usable for almost any situation. Shame the throughhole plating of the 3pdt holes are quite reliable enough for contact on the switch. No soldering of the lugs would be cool :)
lol yeah I didn't want to be too much of a smart$ss towards our friend gledison :D
Paul