I'm pretty partial to short lever toggle switches. I like the way they look and I think they're practical for pedals because they're less likely to get snapped by a lead singer's boot heel.
I've always used the "Taiway" marked switches from SB for spdts and I think I remember buying some short lever dpdts from mammoth once.
Now I'm needing to board mount my switches but realized that SB only carries the short levers in solder lug version and I need PCB pin. Nuts! I found that BLMS has them but I bought a few and just didn't like the look and feel as much as the ones I'm used to even though they may be just fine.
I realize that I could go to a bigger pad size, but my design requires two switches to be butted end to end and that makes the pads overlap. I don't want to have to alter my silkscreen graphics if I can help it.
Is anyone else using short lever, PCB pin toggles? If so, where are you sourcing them?
This may help you.
http://www.ck-components.com/7000/toggle,10598,en.html (http://www.ck-components.com/7000/toggle,10598,en.html)
and here is the datasheet
http://www.ck-components.com/14430/7000toggle_20feb14.pdf/ (http://www.ck-components.com/14430/7000toggle_20feb14.pdf/)
and all these can be found at Mouser.com but they are pretty expensive. Maybe if you narrow down the exact model number you need from the datasheet above it will be easier to track down.
Cody
Or you could snip the solder lug slightly and solder like a pin
A little kludgey but worth a shot
Would also try eBay, and contacting sb to see if he could add the pin version
Totally agree about short toggles. That's all I ever use. The long levers just look wrong to me now.
For whatever it's worth, I'm pretty picky about switch quality and I get most of mine from BLMS. That's probably the only place you'll be able to find short toggle PCB mount switches in the short term unless you order directly from Taiway (and I think they have a minimum order quantity of 1 or 2000).
Steve may start stocking them if he gets enough requests. But, he'll generally only make one or two orders with a manufacturer in a year, so even if he did add them it may be six months or more before they were available.
Thanks for the input guys. I appreciate it. I found these at Digikey made by E-Switch. Does anyone have experience with E-Switch? The price is good and if they feel like the Taiways I'd be happy.
The BLMS just feel slightly less smooth and they are vague in the center position of on-off-on. I realize that I'm probably being extremely picky. I'm weird about switches. But the difference in feel makes me unsure of long term reliability too and for a few cents I don't want to risk it. His prices are really good though and I think it's cool that he even sells 3pdts in short lever.
Quote from: Leevibe on March 04, 2014, 04:13:11 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I appreciate it. I found these at Digikey made by E-Switch. Does anyone have experience with E-Switch? The price is good and if they feel like the Taiways I'd be happy.
The BLMS just feel slightly less smooth and they are vague in the center position of on-off-on. I realize that I'm probably being extremely picky. I'm weird about switches. But the difference in feel makes me unsure of long term reliability too and for a few cents I don't want to risk it. His prices are really good though and I think it's cool that he even sells 3pdts in short lever.
Link?
Quote from: Stomptown on March 04, 2014, 04:16:37 PM
Quote from: Leevibe on March 04, 2014, 04:13:11 PM
Thanks for the input guys. I appreciate it. I found these at Digikey made by E-Switch. Does anyone have experience with E-Switch? The price is good and if they feel like the Taiways I'd be happy.
The BLMS just feel slightly less smooth and they are vague in the center position of on-off-on. I realize that I'm probably being extremely picky. I'm weird about switches. But the difference in feel makes me unsure of long term reliability too and for a few cents I don't want to risk it. His prices are really good though and I think it's cool that he even sells 3pdts in short lever.
Link?
Oopsy
http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/100SP1T2B1M2QEH/100SP1T2B1M2QEH-ND/1803167
Dang. They are non-stock.
I bought some blms switches and the shaft was not totally in square with the body of the switch. I'm not sold on the quality either. They have the same markings as the ones from tayra so I assume they are the same manufacturer. I think they are fine for personal builds but I'm also skeptical of using them in builds for customers...
Quote from: Stomptown on March 04, 2014, 04:23:46 PM
I bought some blms switches and the shaft was not totally in square with the body of the switch. I'm not sold on the quality either. They have the same markings as the ones from tayra so I assume they are the same manufacturer. I think they are fine for personal builds but I'm also skeptical of using them in builds for customers...
That's kind of how I feel
Here's ten spdt with shorter then 7mm actuators and in stock.
http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv544=334&pv544=6&pv544=11&pv544=88&pv544=128&pv544=16&FV=fff40011%2Cfff80064%2C1140004%2C2080002%2C3ac0001%2C408003c%2C8400010&k=toggle+switches&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&stock=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25
Hoo boy I could fall in love with that little 3.15mm switch. That would look so cool. But the price!! I would do that for a one-off though.
FYI I grabbed some of the C&K switches out at Surplus Gizmos and they feel really smooth (long shaft). Quality seems good and they are made in USA. I would grab some of those and see how you like them...
I've used short bat NKK's (with solder lugs) and wouldn't hesitate to use them again... plus i like the colour, they look different from the bog standard toggle.
I got some BLMS toggles, and they have not been good to me.
How confident are you at cutting rectangular holes for slider switches? Can be board mounted if desired and really no worries regarding accidental breakage or actuation.
dave
Quote from: playpunk on March 04, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
I got some BLMS toggles, and they have not been good to me.
Failures, or coming apart while soldering, or anything related to reliability? I just made a pretty big order from BLMS (for this (http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=106349.0)) so I want to make sure they aren't going to come apart on me.
Quote from: davent on March 04, 2014, 08:58:29 PM
How confident are you at cutting rectangular holes for slider switches? Can be board mounted if desired and really no worries regarding accidental breakage or actuation.
dave
One of the issues is that it's a pedal that I already produce, so I don't really want to reconfigure the graphics etc. I do think slide switches are cool though, and I've thought about ways to use them, especially versions with multiple throws. It could be a great rotary switch alternative.
I'm really leaning toward tweaking the board layout slightly so I can accommodate the solder lug switches. I think that is the path of least resistance.
I feel I need to give props to Stomptown for creating the board layout for me and getting me out of etching and into the world of OSH Park. He is also responsible for introducing me to this community and getting me connected to jkokura's excellent Eagle tutorials. So, thanks Jacob too!! I've been wanting to get boards fabbed and get into double sided layouts for a long time but couldn't figure out how to get there.
ah ha! There was one of these on the back of my strymon big sky for the cab sim switch, I point it out in the next video I'm going to upload and it has a really nice switching action. It must be a short lever. Never seen these before.
Paul, that was your 999th post! Drum roll please!!
Quote from: aion on March 04, 2014, 09:02:48 PM
Quote from: playpunk on March 04, 2014, 08:46:22 PM
I got some BLMS toggles, and they have not been good to me.
Failures, or coming apart while soldering, or anything related to reliability? I just made a pretty big order from BLMS (for this (http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=106349.0)) so I want to make sure they aren't going to come apart on me.
The dpdt switch legs are wonky. The legs weren't square, and didn't take solder easily. The others are ok but not as nice as the mountain switches from mouser.
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Quote from: chromesphere on March 05, 2014, 01:55:11 AM
ah ha! There was one of these on the back of my strymon big sky for the cab sim switch, I point it out in the next video I'm going to upload and it has a really nice switching action. It must be a short lever. Never seen these before.
Wow. That big sky sounds nice. Matches the bad cat verb really well.
Quote from: Leevibe on March 05, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Paul, that was your 999th post! Drum roll please!!
Um....ok....I feel the pressure to say something incredibly smart and meaningful for my 1000th post....here goes...
I once pushed a dog around by the hind legs like a wheelborrow :o
Quote from: chromesphere on March 05, 2014, 02:03:46 AM
Quote from: Leevibe on March 05, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Paul, that was your 999th post! Drum roll please!!
Um....ok....I feel the pressure to say something incredibly smart and meaningful for my 1000th post....here goes...
I once pushed a dog around by the hind legs like a wheelborrow :o
BA-dum-bum!
Quote from: Leevibe on March 05, 2014, 02:02:52 AM
Quote from: chromesphere on March 05, 2014, 01:55:11 AM
ah ha! There was one of these on the back of my strymon big sky for the cab sim switch, I point it out in the next video I'm going to upload and it has a really nice switching action. It must be a short lever. Never seen these before.
Wow. That big sky sounds nice. Matches the bad cat verb really well.
Its an expensive pedal but I feel like the price reflects the sound quality and sheer amount of options the pedal brings to the table, the range is pretty insane.
I have a few more videos on it, opening it up and general build quality review and building a tap tempo switch for it as well.
/end_hijack
Quote from: chromesphere on March 05, 2014, 02:03:46 AM
Quote from: Leevibe on March 05, 2014, 01:57:26 AM
Paul, that was your 999th post! Drum roll please!!
Um....ok....I feel the pressure to say something incredibly smart and meaningful for my 1000th post....here goes...
I once pushed a dog around by the hind legs like a wheelborrow :o
Nice one Paul. You owned that 1000th post. :)