I've only ever built a few BYOC pedals and I'm currently working on my first MadBean (Mangler), but it got me thinking of trying a two-in-one of a Zero Point Micro into a Smoothie in one enclosure. I'm not savvy in this in the slightest, so if this is stupid I apologize, but would it be possible to send just the repeats through the Smoothie while keeping the original signal un-phased?
Thanks! :D
Sure, just put the Smoothie between lug 2 of the Mix pot and the following capacitor.
I've done this a number of times with the Zero Point DD now. It is easiest to connect the input of the smoothie to mix pad 3 on the PCB and the output to lug 3 of the mix pot. I have been using Stomptown Galacticon and Galacticon Deluxe phase shifters from the FS section here and find the blend control to be very useful. You might want to consider adding a toggle so you can bypass the smoothie unless you are building to be a dedicated delay+phase. Here's some of mine with it:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14872.msg139369#msg139369 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14872.msg139369#msg139369)
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.msg131100#msg131100 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.msg131100#msg131100)
Quote from: timbo_93631 on July 11, 2014, 12:34:10 PM
I've done this a number of times with the Zero Point DD now. It is easiest to connect the input of the smoothie to mix pad 3 on the PCB and the output to lug 3 of the mix pot. I have been using Stomptown Galacticon and Galacticon Deluxe phase shifters from the FS section here and find the blend control to be very useful. You might want to consider adding a toggle so you can bypass the smoothie unless you are building to be a dedicated delay+phase. Here's some of mine with it:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14872.msg139369#msg139369 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14872.msg139369#msg139369)
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.msg131100#msg131100 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14125.msg131100#msg131100)
Awesome, sounds cool. I'm thinking of keeping it more simple, leaving the phase always-on for the repeats.
Another question - I have a 125B enclosure laying around - does anyone know if the Zero Point Micro and Smoothie would be crammable in there?
Side by side it would be pretty tight, Smoothie is 1.31" wide, ZPMicro is 1.3", 125b is usually 2.6" on the open end.
Cool idea.
I'd consider doing the zero point solo with a dry output and a wet output. Then you could put whatever you want on the wet.
Quote from: wgc on July 11, 2014, 03:09:07 PM
Cool idea.
I'd consider doing the zero point solo with a dry output and a wet output. Then you could put whatever you want on the wet.
That's an awesome idea. So you could do it with 2 output jacks, one clean only, and one repeats only? Kind of like making it stereo?
Yeah, I think so.
Another way might be a send and return on the delay. This gives you a way to blend effected wet and maybe avoid some potential buffering issues.
You could also add an effects loop to the delay line and use whatever effect (or multiple effects) you want for the repeats.
Paramix over at gpcb will do the same? It has an effects loop and a blend, not really a blend so much but you can adjust the clean signal and the wet signal volumes separately.so you still get clean signal and effect signal.
You can also use the JMK panner or Rockhorst's panner (PM him). I have used both of these for dedicated fx loops on the repeats or board outputs of various delays and they work great. Also there is the TH-Custom madbox which would work if you jumpered the in/out pads of one side of the mixer.
Now that I'm thinking about it, I kinda like the idea of being able to send just the repeats to other effects and even another amp. If using a panner or effects loop, would it be possible to do that, or would it have to terminate back inside the pedal to be mixed with the original signal?
you can just use the panner send as a line out, where it would just be a splitter. If you have the blend control past noon on the loop side then you will have a reduction in volume of the repeats.
Thanks everyone! Super helpful. I may resurrect this thread when I actually get stuff ordered and give this a go, as this is my first attempt at doing any combining/modding so I'm sure I'll get slightly lost at some point ;D
Quote from: timbo_93631 on July 12, 2014, 05:19:43 AM
You can also use the JMK panner or Rockhorst's panner (PM him). I have used both of these for dedicated fx loops on the repeats or board outputs of various delays and they work great. Also there is the TH-Custom madbox which would work if you jumpered the in/out pads of one side of the mixer.
The JMK panner looks great, hopefully they're back in stock again at some point. Sorry if I'm being a little slow here, but where abouts would the panner PCB be placed so as to work as an fx loop/splitter on just the repeats?
Pad 3 of the mix pot pads on the PCB to panner input and panner output to lug 3 of the mix pot.
Quote from: timbo_93631 on July 12, 2014, 02:58:06 PM
Pad 3 of the mix pot pads on the PCB to panner input and panner output to lug 3 of the mix pot.
Excellent. Thanks so much for all your help!
I thought of another question about this idea:
Would the output from the JMK panner, being fed from the Mix pot, send out *only* the wet signal, i.e. not the very first note played? Ideally, in a two amp setup, I'd like to hear the first note only in the first amp, and then the second amp 'come alive' with the first repeat, if that makes sense.
The played note IS the dry signal, isn't it?
The wet signal (at the mix pot) has delayed notes only.
Quote from: kothoma on July 15, 2014, 05:14:32 AM
The played note IS the dry signal, isn't it?
The wet signal (at the mix pot) has delayed notes only.
That's what I figured, just wanted to double check with you more knowledgeable folk. Thanks! :D
Good luck and keep us posted on your progress!
Quote from: timbo_93631 on July 12, 2014, 01:39:42 PM
you can just use the panner send as a line out, where it would just be a splitter. If you have the blend control past noon on the loop side then you will have a reduction in volume of the repeats.
So I'm getting ready to do this build and have another question about the above: Wouldn't the 'blend' pot of the JMK Panner and the Mix pot of the delay essentially be doing the same thing - adjusting the volume of the repeats? If that's the case, is there a way to just fix the volume of the Panner so that only the Mix pot of the delay controls that? Or am I looking at this all wrong?
Thanks!