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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 02:15:49 AM

Title: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 02:15:49 AM
What's your fav?

Me personally, I can't stand 4 knob guitars. I like Master Volume and Tone setups, so for me the Les Paul family of guitars really is rough. I own an Epi Dot, which is 4 knob, but I like it for other reasons. I have always moved along anything I've ever had that had 4 knobs.

All that to say, I don't really have a good dual humbucker solid body. I've had some PRS SE guitars that I liked but haven't stuck. I also have a set of Humbuckers from my favourite Pickup guy, Tom Anderson, ready to drop into some dual hum bucker guitar.

I think my dream setup would be a bolt on neck Les Paul Junior type of guitar with a wraparound, master Vol/Tone and 3 way switch, with a pair of humbuckers. I can't find a custom guitar maker who builds something like that and who will let me do the finish work...

What's your favourite Dual Humbucker Solidbody and why?

Jacob
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: mjcyates on October 16, 2014, 02:40:17 AM
I love my Reverend Warhawk. The neck feels like a Fender and the tone has the girth of a Les Paul. The bass contour control on it is great feature as well. I find the neck pickup of most dual humbucker guitars to be too muddy. The bass contour helps with that.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 02:43:05 AM
Quote from: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 02:15:49 AM
What's your favourite Dual Humbucker Solidbody and why?

Les Paul by a mile.

A lot of the time I don't make use of ANY of the knobs, as they are generally all wide open. But there has been many a time where I did use all four knobs. It's mostly for getting a certain type of fuzz tone for recording. There is a lot of tonal territory with both pickups on and having the ability to tweak the individual output level AND tone roll-off. Sometimes it also works for getting that perfect tone for ambient swells and pad sounds. It's not that it's impossible to do with some other setup, it's just intuitive for *me*, but I understand how it wouldn't be a good "user interface" for other people. I guess.  ;D

That said, if a Les Paul isn't doing it for you, my next suggestion would be a dual bucker Tele. Flat top, two knobs, classic body shape, and you can usually get it in any kind of wood you can imagine. And make it a Thinline for extra mojo. :)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: gordo on October 16, 2014, 02:45:52 AM
Interesting that you want a bolt on neck Jr.  Why bolt on?  And I'll assume maple?  I have a few Lado's that I love with all kinds of knobs but in the end: master vol, master tone, and a bunch of stuff in between.  A really cool Hamer Standard (Explorer) with 2 vols and 1 tone.  And I just picked up a GFS project that is a set neck Les Paul-ish/PRS-ish cluster-f**k that has really cool potential but is going to be a ton of work.  No holes drilled so I can go all Jeff Beck with a wrap around and do whatever control layout I want.  This thing has a hideous flat fingerboard and the whole thing has been dipped in a vat of polyester finish so I have my work cut out for me.

Still...has something about it that speaks to me...

All my other 2HB guitars are 2V/2T
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 02:58:42 AM
What I never see for sale is hardtail strats. I blocked the trem on mine and love it that way. I would really like a hardtail that's not a $3k signature model or some weirdo small luthier build for $4k that I could likely get $500 for if I resold it.

If I ever need to make several hundred dollars disappear, I'll pay one of you guys here to make me one.  ;D
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 03:11:54 AM
Quote from: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 02:43:05 AM
my next suggestion would be a dual bucker Tele. Flat top, two knobs, classic body shape, and you can usually get it in any kind of wood you can imagine. And make it a Thinline for extra mojo. :)

I have a thinline Tele build coming along in mahogany with a maple top and neck with ebony fretboard, so it's similar in many ways to what you're describing. It'll have a mini-bucker in the neck and a stacked single in the bridge, so it's really close to being a Les Paul without being an actual Les Paul Tele.

I still want a solid body dual bucker guitar I just haven't found one I really liked.

Quote from: gordo on October 16, 2014, 02:45:52 AM
Interesting that you want a bolt on neck Jr.  Why bolt on?

Bolt on is familiar and easily maintained in my opinion. It's something I can easily work on and tweak, as opposed to a set neck which I'm unfamiliar with and generally haven't a clue how to work on if there's an issue. That said, my Dot has never been an issue, so i wouldn't really care if it was set or bolt as long as it was set right.

I'll check Reverend out.

Jacob
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: gordo on October 16, 2014, 03:15:03 AM
Funny you should say that.  My first strat was a hardtail and they are few and far between.  Completely different sounding beasts from the typical whammy variety.  I wish I still had mine.  Had a jacked up neck but was a see thru blonde with large peghead and at one point Paul Dean from Streetheart (later Loverboy) rewired it so that the controls were master vol/middle pickup vol/master tone with a 3 way switch.  I traded Paul the work for some fret wire for a bass he was working on.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: alanp on October 16, 2014, 03:23:20 AM
Jacob, not keen on the cheaper Epiphone Dot with two knobs, then?
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 03:24:36 AM
Quote from: alanp on October 16, 2014, 03:23:20 AM
Jacob, not keen on the cheaper Epiphone Dot with two knobs, then?

Not seen it, but no. I have the one, a birthday gift from my wife, so I won't be switching to another.

Jacob
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GrindCustoms on October 16, 2014, 03:34:36 AM
My Schecter Tempest Custom is just awesome to me, probably have'nt been built on a friday afternoon, it's one of the earlier models (early 2000s).

Stock, it had 2 master volume and a tone control with the toggle switch at a similar emplacement than a LP. I moved the switch in the past tone hole and just used a MV and Tone, the previous toggle location is now used for a killswitch.

It got a Suhr Doug Aldrich pickup set in there, fantastic sounding pickups for rock to extreme metal playing and with a slight volume roll off (w/treble bleed mod) it gets very vintage sounding and sound great for bluesy and funky stuff.

Guitar itself is an awesome player's instrument, the construction quality, proper setup makes it my favored guitar... i'd buy another one of those from the same era anytime, probably a new one too since they share the same specs still.

Rej
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 03:55:16 AM
Jacob,

Do you not like the look of 4-knob guitars, or do you not jive with 4 controls? If it's the latter, you could rewire a LP or SG (or whatever) so it's master volume and master tone and the other two are just mounted but not functional. I've seen more than a few guys do that.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 03:58:32 AM
Quote from: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 03:55:16 AM
Jacob,

Do you not like the look of 4-knob guitars, or do you not jive with 4 controls? If it's the latter, you could rewire a LP or SG (or whatever) so it's master volume and master tone and the other two are just mounted but not functional. I've seen more than a few guys do that.

Yeah, I've done a variety of rewiring on various guitars, but I've never found them satisfying. I liked the Gretsch wiring as an alternative more than dummy knobs.

Jacob
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 06:14:47 AM
Favourite HH?  Right now, probably one of the following

Heritage H535 - easily my favourite semi hollow.  59s sound great in it, neck is on the wide thin side, Schaller bridge is a really nice touch on it.
PRS DGT - it's just "right".  Great pickups, cool neck carve that fits, bigger than vintage frets, great trem.  Controls are a little bass ackwards, but whatever.
Fender Tele Deluxe - the WRHBs have a different voice than standard HBs, and its sparkly orange.
Charvel Wildcard No 7 - not usually a big JB fan, but it works on this guitar.  And the neck is fantastic
EBMM Axis - best feel bolt on neck out there, nice slightly hotter than PAF pups, and a decked Floyd.  The ergonomics of it take a little getting used to.  Axis Sports are a great VFM without all the splashy stuff.

If you're looking for a bolt on wrap around HH, find a CE 22 with a mahogany body, McCarty wiring package, and Dragon IIs.  I know where you can test drive one.

Reverends are a good choice too, but hard to find and pricey in Canada.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: juansolo on October 16, 2014, 07:27:32 AM
Quote from: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 02:15:49 AM
What's your fav?

Me personally, I can't stand 4 knob guitars. I like Master Volume and Tone setups, so for me the Les Paul family of guitars really is rough. I own an Epi Dot, which is 4 knob, but I like it for other reasons. I have always moved along anything I've ever had that had 4 knobs.

All that to say, I don't really have a good dual humbucker solid body. I've had some PRS SE guitars that I liked but haven't stuck. I also have a set of Humbuckers from my favourite Pickup guy, Tom Anderson, ready to drop into some dual hum bucker guitar.

I think my dream setup would be a bolt on neck Les Paul Junior type of guitar with a wraparound, master Vol/Tone and 3 way switch, with a pair of humbuckers. I can't find a custom guitar maker who builds something like that and who will let me do the finish work...

What's your favourite Dual Humbucker Solidbody and why?

Jacob

Don't know how much it'd cost to ship over, but GSP bases do exactly that sort of thing.

http://thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/18327/lpj-s-i-made-last-week
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: juansolo on October 16, 2014, 07:32:26 AM
FWIW I had me mahogany bodied dual hum wraparound bridge superstrat made by a luthier friend. He's good to me though and it worked out very reasonably (not a lot more than the resale price you mentioned).
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Tremster on October 16, 2014, 07:51:15 AM
Only dual Humbucker solid body I ever had is a 1980 Washburn Hawk. Or maybe it's a Falcon, but I think it's a Hawk.
http://www.matsumoku.org/models/washburn/wing/wing.html (http://www.matsumoku.org/models/washburn/wing/wing.html)
http://g3h.be/wings/ (http://g3h.be/wings/)
Still have it. Bought it used for next to nothing in the mid 90s. It was my second electric, my first decent one. Swapped the pickups for Duncans and the brass nut for bone. It sounds good, plays well, I played it for years, but hardly do anymore. Anything in the Les Paul camp is just not for me.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: drolo on October 16, 2014, 08:40:56 AM
What I have been doing to HH guitars with 4 knobs is leave the individual Volume pots as they are but rewire the 2 tone pots to become a treble cut and a bass cut pot. The latter is incredibly handy especially for humbuckers. You get a huge variety of tones when using a fuzz face for example. I even have it on my 2 strats.
Another idea would be to use the unwanted pots as coil tap pots, if you have humbuckers with 4 wires.
That said, humbuckers are not my favorite and I rarely use them, favoring single coils.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Cortexturizer on October 16, 2014, 09:42:17 AM
Strange - I have two guitars and I chose em specifically for having 4 knobs, love getting those in-between toanz.

Have you considered tele deluxes with wide range humbuckers? Those are very versatile, they do have 4 knobs, but they are awesome.

I am surprised that nobody mentioned SGs.

I recently tried a one-knob cabronita in the shop that had two fender-tron pickups, a maple neck, and it was killer.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: raulduke on October 16, 2014, 10:08:56 AM
For me it has to be the Les Paul by a mile.

Anything else I have tried just doesn't do it for me (visually and sonically).

I've tried quite a few but I've only ever owned one (my LP studio I got when I was fifteen), but it is 'the one'.

I also have an SG that I got from Thomann in a sale, but it is currently being fitted with HB size P90's.

It is a really nice guitar for the money. As Rej says it must not be a 'friday afternoon' model  ;D
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: raulduke on October 16, 2014, 10:10:43 AM
I also think Kauer guitars look really nice.

They also fit in with your requirements IMO.

(http://static.squarespace.com/static/52a77187e4b03d96bfa84cc0/52a775cfe4b0f798fd2b83cc/52a78509e4b028f890db34ce/1390416094373/Vintage_White_Express.jpeg?format=500w)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Cortexturizer on October 16, 2014, 10:16:04 AM
 :o :o :o

WOW, that is AWESOME! I am impressed by the look of that one.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Muadzin on October 16, 2014, 10:57:19 AM
I usually prefer a bridge humbucker and neck single coil combo, but if it has to be dual humbucker I would want an Explorer.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on October 16, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
My go-to is actually an Ibanez Artist. V/V/T setup but the kicker are the Dave Mustaine SD pickups that I installed. I can fret a note.... drink a cup of coffee, eat some breakfast, and watch an episode of Seinfeld and the thing would still be ringing true. Sustain for DAYS!

Love, love, love it!  8)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: bcalla on October 16, 2014, 01:08:17 PM
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on October 16, 2014, 11:12:15 AM
My go-to is actually an Ibanez Artist. V/V/T setup but the kicker are the Dave Mustaine SD pickups that I installed. I can fret a note.... drink a cup of coffee, eat some breakfast, and watch an episode of Seinfeld and the thing would still be ringing true. Sustain for DAYS!

Love, love, love it!  8)
Which Artist?  They used the name pretty liberally over the years.

I have a couple solid dual HBs, both by Ibanez.  My favorite is a 1979 Musician MC300.  Neck-thru, sometimes called the 'hippie sandwich" because of the layers of wood in the body wings.  Not only does it have 2 volumes & 2 tones, it has coil split/phase toggles for each pickup.  It's a very versatile instrument.  The one on the right below is my MC300.  The middle one is a 1978 MC500 that I sold about 10 years ago.  I still own the SB70 on the left.

(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh606/bcalla44/Guitars/IbanezGuitars4_zps90b68c2c.jpg~original)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Cortexturizer on October 16, 2014, 01:18:10 PM
very interesting ibanez guitars, if I would ever own an Iby again, it would be one of those, awesome.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on October 16, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
Quote from: bcalla on October 16, 2014, 01:08:17 PM
Which Artist?  They used the name pretty liberally over the years.

Looks like this one. Its an Artist 100. Not their most "expensive" offering but for the price it is a pretty damn good instrument. The craftsmanship is on par with other mid-range guitars. Only thing lacking was the electronics and when I installed the active Mustaine's and associated pots, switches, etc..... turned it into a BEAST!.... Rocks for me! Never owned a guitar that could sustain like this one.

(http://ts3.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608016933919459659&w=240)

Of course it is in black as well... Left-handed and all  ::)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
My good buddy has one of these and loves it:

(http://cdn.growassets.net/user_files/esp/product_images/000/010/148/xlarge.png?1389980786)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 02:41:13 PM
Yeah, the EC-1000s are sexy beasts.  Kinda wish they made a 22 fret model though (not that there's anything wrong with the 24, but the EC-400s are 22 fret models and the "look" is correct").  If they offered the quilt purple one with SDs/Dimarzios instead of EMGs, that would be a killer.

There are three used MIJ Eclipses at my favourite store right now (Black, White, and Tiger Eye Quilt), all with EMGs, all tonally dead.  Not saying a good setup/new set of strings wouldn't go a long way to fixing that, but when you're looking at $900+ used, I expect to strum it and be impressed.  They've also been sitting there for three months, so I'm not the only one who thinks they're not great. :-[

On the same note, saw the "Less" Les Paul in person at one of the GC's in Denver last week.  So wrong, so very, very, very wrong.  Thin body (thinner than my H140, pretty sure overall thickness was less than a strat).  They're marketing it for Les Paul lovers with back problems.  Think the price on it was $2100.  Crazy.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 02:52:14 PM
Quote from: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 02:58:42 AM
What I never see for sale is hardtail strats. I blocked the trem on mine and love it that way. I would really like a hardtail that's not a $3k signature model or some weirdo small luthier build for $4k that I could likely get $500 for if I resold it.

You can usually pick up an EBMM Silouhette HT (special  (22 fret HSS) or standard (24 fret HSH)) for around $7-800 used, and you can always unload them for that price as well if you really want a hardtail.  You can also get SSS pickguards for them from Pickguard Heaven if you want to go true strat.  I sold my last EBMM HSS hardtail three months ago.

If I ever need to make several hundred dollars disappear, I'll pay one of you guys here to make me one.  ;D

I had one a while back that I picked up with a loaded Holy Grail pickguard and Schaller locking tuners for $399.  Was nice, but in the end it didn't make one of the "need more room" cuts, so I put stock MIM hardware and sold it.

Moral of the story - if you're looking for something, let me know.  There's always a chance I have it in stock (gawd I sound like I work for GC, only I have better gear).
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: lars on October 16, 2014, 03:21:50 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 02:52:14 PM
There's always a chance I have it in stock (gawd I sound like I work for GC, only I have better gear).
;D, hey man nice shot.

I'm really liking that Reverend Warhawk that "mjcyates" recommended early on. It has a unique look to it, and that bass contour control sounds like the perfect way to tame the muddiness.
Title: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 03:48:33 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 02:41:13 PM
Yeah, the EC-1000s are sexy beasts.  Kinda wish they made a 22 fret model though (not that there's anything wrong with the 24, but the EC-400s are 22 fret models and the "look" is correct").  If they offered the quilt purple one with SDs/Dimarzios instead of EMGs, that would be a killer.

There are three used MIJ Eclipses at my favourite store right now (Black, White, and Tiger Eye Quilt), all with EMGs, all tonally dead.  Not saying a good setup/new set of strings wouldn't go a long way to fixing that, but when you're looking at $900+ used, I expect to strum it and be impressed.  They've also been sitting there for three months, so I'm not the only one who thinks they're not great. :-[

On the same note, saw the "Less" Les Paul in person at one of the GC's in Denver last week.  So wrong, so very, very, very wrong.  Thin body (thinner than my H140, pretty sure overall thickness was less than a strat).  They're marketing it for Les Paul lovers with back problems.  Think the price on it was $2100.  Crazy.

The MIJ ESP Eclipses can be a great value used if you find one with passive pickups.  They are thinner, so they are not a drop in replacement for a Les Paul.  Btw, have you seen the new prices on the ESP Eclipse (not the E-2 line)?  Wow.

As far as dual bucker SB guitar recommendations, there are so many options out there.   I know you mentioned bolt-on, but more info would help.  Info such as preferred scale length, wood, bridge, control layout (other than not wanting the LP layout) would be useful.

As far as ones that I own and like, my favorites are my Les Paul and my Baker.  Both have the control layout you dislike, although you can find used Bakers with different control layouts.  Make sure it's built by Gene Baker and not one of the Ed Roman Korea built monstrosities.

I also don't mind the dual humbucker super-strat style guitars if it's a bolt-on.  There are countless makers of that style, however.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 03:48:33 PM
[The MIJ ESP Eclipses can be a great value used if you find one with passive pickups.  They are thinner, so they are not a drop in replacement for a Les Paul.  Btw, have you seen the new prices on the ESP Eclipse (not the E-2 line)?  Wow.


Yup.  I get the feeling 2015 is the Year of Stupid New Guitar Prices.  Saw a USA Dean hanging on the wall for $4k.  Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 03:54:00 PM
Quote from: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 03:48:33 PM
[The MIJ ESP Eclipses can be a great value used if you find one with passive pickups.  They are thinner, so they are not a drop in replacement for a Les Paul.  Btw, have you seen the new prices on the ESP Eclipse (not the E-2 line)?  Wow.


Yup.  I get the feeling 2015 is the Year of Stupid New Guitar Prices.  Saw a USA Dean hanging on the wall for $4k.  Ridiculous.

I am sure they'll have no problems selling that Dean for $750.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 04:00:54 PM
I guess when I offered them $550 for it I was a little off then......

Funny part was, it was sitting on the wall beside eight 10 top PRSs, most of which were <$3k, though I expect Paul will jump on the price increase train next year as well (it's the 30th Anniversary year, just another reason to jack up prices).

I wish Fender hadn't killed Hamer.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Shrtyska9 on October 16, 2014, 04:04:58 PM
I really love my Schecter C-1+. Its an early 2000's model before they started putting the push-pull volume pots in them. Originally it was 2V's 1T but I have it wired for Master Volume and Master Tone with a dummy knob which kind of bothers me. Mahogany body, maple top, and string through with a tune-o-matic bridge, sustain is great and tuning stability is awesome. The thing I love the most is the heel on the neck isn't boxy like a les paul tends to be its carved and rounded making playing high on the neck extremely comfortable. The stock pickups (Duncan Designed Hb-103) aren't great but get some decent tones out of them.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 04:18:21 PM
Alternatively, if you found an LP control layout on an otherwise ideal guitar that suited your needs, you could wire in a G&L PTB passive system (schematic available online), would get you closer to the Reverend bass control, better than a standard tone control.  But you'd still be left with a spare hole.  Install a killswitch and you can channel your inner Ace Frehley, preferably from the days before he needed to lean up against something to stand.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: playpunk on October 16, 2014, 04:25:46 PM
why don't you just get a quote from precision guitar kits and see if they'll make you a kit with the controls you want?

You are up that way so I'd imagine shipping would be cheaper than it is to the states
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 04:30:28 PM
Quote from: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 04:00:54 PM
I guess when I offered them $550 for it I was a little off then......

Funny part was, it was sitting on the wall beside eight 10 top PRSs, most of which were <$3k, though I expect Paul will jump on the price increase train next year as well (it's the 30th Anniversary year, just another reason to jack up prices).

I wish Fender hadn't killed Hamer.

Hamer was a really good value, but they went the way of insane pricing as well before they were killed.  I remember back about a dozen years ago, you could get a nice Hamer south of $2k.  Before they went under, their pricing had crept quite a bit and many were more than Gibson.  If you look at the 2006 price list (right before Fender bought them), the average price was around $3k before adding any options.  When you consider that was 8 years ago, they really were out of their minds.

http://www.jedistar.com/pdf/hamer_pricelist_2006.pdf

They do make nice instruments, though.  I almost bought an orange sparkle Hamer Newport from a friend a decade ago, but I couldn't bond with the neck, which had an odd shape to it (to me at least).  It did sound good.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: rullywowr on October 16, 2014, 04:40:50 PM
Les Paul. There is none higher.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on October 16, 2014, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: rullywowr on October 16, 2014, 04:40:50 PM
Les Paul. There is none higher.

Or possibly HEAVIER  :o

I used to own a '74 Deluxe. I thought it was the cats meow for the first few weeks. Then, the actual weight kicked in and it's last few months in my possesion was merely because it was a Les Paul.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 05:15:53 PM
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on October 16, 2014, 05:14:09 PM
Quote from: rullywowr on October 16, 2014, 04:40:50 PM
Les Paul. There is none higher.

Or possibly HEAVIER  :o

I used to own a '74 Deluxe. I thought it was the cats meow for the first few weeks. Then, the actual weight kicked in and it's last few months in my possesion was merely because it was a Les Paul.

That's actually another, secondary, reason I don't like Les Pauls (aside from the control layout). I don't like how heavy they are in comparison to my other guitars (read teles, starts and semi hollows).

I really think that a Les Paul Jr would be a good ticket for me. I have looked into kits from Precision, but at this point I don't have the cash for one, and it would have absolutely no resale value if I ever did need to let it go.

Jacob
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 05:16:14 PM
Les Paul's can indeed be heavy.  Many of the 70's ones were particularly heavy because of the laminate bodies.  The newer ones are still heavy, but not usually THAT heavy.  Some of the 70s's LPs were bowling ball weights.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: GermanCdn on October 16, 2014, 05:27:08 PM
Les Paul body size minus the weight with a slim taper neck = Greg Bennett RL-4, except for the control layout (and very budget friendly).

Agreed on not building a parts LPJr.  Would be nearly impossible to offload when you wanted to.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: rullywowr on October 16, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
The weight of a Les Paul may be too much for some.  When I had mine built, I asked specifically for the traditional routing - can't stand the chambered weight relieved Pauls.

Before I could afford a Paul I had a PRS Tremonti SE and loved it. I upgraded the pickups and bridge to an adjustable intonation one and it was superb. Light weight and it rocked.  Set neck was great.

Sounds like your mind is made up (bolt on neck, two knob config, light weight). Why not just get a parts strat and a HH pick guard and call it a day.  Or maybe a Ibanez or Pacer type of shredder?  My Pacer is lots of fun to play and was under 300 usd. Some dimarzios and it's a beast.

Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: rullywowr on October 16, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
Sounds like your mind is made up (bolt on neck, two knob config, light weight). Why not just get a parts strat and a HH pick guard and call it a day.  Or maybe a Ibanez or Pacer type of shredder?  My Pacer is lots of fun to play and was under 300 usd. Some dimarzios and it's a beast.

I have one of those already, and while it services, it's still a strat.

Mostly I started this thread as a discussion on what we all do/don't like in H/H guitars, and thus far it's been super fruitful because I've learned about a half dozen guitars I never thought of.

Jacob
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: rullywowr on October 16, 2014, 06:06:01 PM

Quote from: jkokura on October 16, 2014, 05:50:40 PM
Quote from: rullywowr on October 16, 2014, 05:34:28 PM
Sounds like your mind is made up (bolt on neck, two knob config, light weight). Why not just get a parts strat and a HH pick guard and call it a day.  Or maybe a Ibanez or Pacer type of shredder?  My Pacer is lots of fun to play and was under 300 usd. Some dimarzios and it's a beast.



Mostly I started this thread as a discussion on what we all do/don't like in H/H guitars, and thus far it's been super fruitful because I've learned about a half dozen guitars I never thought of.

Jacob


That's awesome.  Nothin like the old interwebz to expand your horizons. Best of luck in the neverending search, I'm sure you will find a gem.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: alanp on October 16, 2014, 06:13:44 PM
http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/vintage-icon-v100-25573 (http://www.musicradar.com/reviews/guitars/vintage-icon-v100-25573)

I've got a tobacco-burst Vintage V100. Damn good guitar, IMO -- bought it since a guy in Auckland who is very, very attached to his Gibson LP spoke *very* favourably of his Peter Green Vintage LP.

Put it this way -- the guy who buys stock for the Rock Shop NZ said that they were only going to stock the relic'ed ones, since he felt that if they brought in the nicely finished models, he'd have too much trouble shifting Epiphone stock! All the parts are sorted by Trevor Wilkinson, if that means anything to you lot.

As for weight -- I'm happy with my metal body tricone, don't mind the LP at all, never owned a traditional acoustic at all so I'm not really used to anything lighter than a stratocaster.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: timbo_93631 on October 16, 2014, 06:22:10 PM
Doug Kauer has already been mentioned, and he is a great guy making great guitars, but his shared-shop competition/amigo is Paul Rhoney who also makes fantastic guitars.  https://paulrhoneyguitars.squarespace.com/  A number of his Oceanas are dual HB, V+T control guitars.  If you wanted to do something cool on the cheap you could get an Epi Wilshire and cut a V+T guard.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 06:37:12 PM
Quote from: timbo_93631 on October 16, 2014, 06:22:10 PM
Doug Kauer has already been mentioned, and he is a great guy making great guitars, but his shared-shop competition/amigo is Paul Rhoney who also makes fantastic guitars.  https://paulrhoneyguitars.squarespace.com/  A number of his Oceanas are dual HB, V+T control guitars.  If you wanted to do something cool on the cheap you could get an Epi Wilshire and cut a V+T guard.

Those look really nice.  Does the hard edge on the top bother you when you are playing?  That kind of bothered me a bit on the new PRS S2 guitars even though it doesn't as much on Telecasters.  I'm not sure why.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: irmcdermott on October 16, 2014, 06:51:13 PM
I'll be another one to mention Reverend. I've sold all my guitars and replaced them with Revs. Only Non-Reverend I have is my '79 Kramer DMZ-2000 (aluminum neck era).

Anyway, I love Reverends, so any of their bolt on series HB models would definitely get a look from me. Next bolt on purchase for me will be a Charger HB. You can even search and look for their discontinued Roundhouse model, which was very much a LP.
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 07:01:43 PM
How about a Fender Pawn Shop '72? Dual buckers, bolt-neck, lighter than a Les Paul, and single volume/tone:

(http://www.guitaristic.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/fender-72-pawn-shop.jpg)

Quote from: pickdropper on October 16, 2014, 05:16:14 PM
Les Paul's can indeed be heavy.  Many of the 70's ones were particularly heavy because of the laminate bodies.  The newer ones are still heavy, but not usually THAT heavy.  Some of the 70s's LPs were bowling ball weights.

QFT.

My coworker's 78 Standard is the heaviest guitar I've ever played. It's about 12 pounds, no joke. What was really funny was swapping between that and Squier Bullet Strat.  ;D
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: juansolo on October 17, 2014, 06:51:01 AM
My two. First is a custom job by Wez Venebles. Mahogany bodied superstrat/SG hybrid thing.

(http://juansolo.co.uk/misc/Guitars/stratsg.jpg)

Second is my pawn shop Mustang bargain which will be getting a Toronado bridge shortly.

(http://juansolo.co.uk/misc/Guitars/mustang1.jpg)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: jkokura on October 17, 2014, 04:47:04 PM
Both of those are awesome Juan, but I like that Black custom job most.

Jacob
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Morgan on October 17, 2014, 08:15:12 PM

Quote from: culturejam on October 16, 2014, 03:55:16 AM
Jacob,

Do you not like the look of 4-knob guitars, or do you not jive with 4 controls? If it's the latter, you could rewire a LP or SG (or whatever) so it's master volume and master tone and the other two are just mounted but not functional. I've seen more than a few guys do that.
I like SGs and tele wiring is the only way I can stand, so I do that too. The controls are still way in the wrong place though. Gibson hates people efficiently twiddling their knobs!

(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/17/c87af20e6f5854b1bc5b382186ef292c.jpg)
Title: Re: Dual Humbucker Solidbody Guitars
Post by: Willybomb on April 28, 2016, 03:51:34 PM
Necro thread revival. 

Don't know how I missed this thread, but here's my custom Agile, Hulksnot.  It now has a Tonezone in the bridge, and still has a 59 in the neck.

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/v/t1.0-9/222640_161262380603107_6233233_n.jpg?oh=23e6b03de707391b210d5d854f69c69a&oe=57ADFFEC)

The Attention Whore.  Tonezone and Air Norton.

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/227453_161262473936431_5479105_n.jpg?oh=41bda5274add983cd5b6927a686994ed&oe=57B22BAA)

The Lesocaster.  Super Distortion (bridge) and Humbucker From Hell (neck).

(https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/222220_161262260603119_8052164_n.jpg?oh=b522e0937149222a540c351b0cabc307&oe=57A5ADD2)