Guys, I am trying to assemble an all-seventies board for some time now, and I have 4 pedals and the only thing I lack is the analog delay. Do not ask me why all the pedals need to be from the seventies. Do not do that please :D
So, which one are out there? There are 3 or 4 EHX memory man models, and the green MXR box that looks exactly like their 4 knob flanger looks today.
I thought for forever that the DOD 680 was from the seventies but it looks like it's from the early 80s in fact...damnit.
So any other models that I am overlooking? Also, if anyone has a blue box memory man or the stereo memory man and wants to part from it I'm your man...I think.
Help me out here guys. There has to be some of the models that I am overlooking, I've been exploring this topic for months now.
Happy new year guys!
I believe the Maxon/Ibanez AD-80 was first released in 1979 so it might squeak by for your 70's qualifications. ;)
there is one locally for sale, but the guy wants an insane amount of money for it. no way I'd pay 180 EUR for that.
any other alternatives?
thanks Lacky!
Ross made a delay, and were pretty active in the 70's so maybe look into that? I know they moved production to Taiwan in the 80's so beware of those.
5 knob deluxe memory man will count as well actually, 78.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on December 31, 2014, 01:06:09 PM
there is one locally for sale, but the guy wants an insane amount of money for it. no way I'd pay 180 EUR for that.
I see your point however, you have to realize that you are looking for one of the holy grails in stomp boxes here. Pre-80's delays were not that prominent. If you are looking for a working pedal in decent shape.... you are going to have to pay good money.
Good Luck. Shouldn't be too hard to narrow down the options as I doubt there were a lot of stompbox delays available in the 70's.
I feel your struggle... i've been haunting Delay's from the 70's to no success, unless you go early 80s the price are totally out of hand.
The DOD680 being more than often in my radar... ...and one day, yes one day, a DM-2.
Ibanez AD-230 (just joking really, but they do qualify). From a personal historical point of view, I was never tempted by a delay until the first rack mount digital units hit in the early 80's. I can still clearly remember the first time I played through one.
Getting back to the real question though, isn't it going to have to end up being a DMM of some sort?
Quote from: RobA on December 31, 2014, 04:05:09 PM
Getting back to the real question though, isn't it going to have to end up being a DMM of some sort?
For a reasonable price? I think so, there were some other units (Forgot the BOSS DM-1) but they're a lot rarer and are going to cost a lot more most likely.
I think the cheapest vintage memory mans are the version with boost input and an echo chorus slide usually.
I would'nt be shy at all to have one of these on a vintage board...
https://reverb.com/item/408600-vintage-dod-680-analog-delay-near-mint-in-box-with-original-manual-made-in-usa-works-perfectly
Those do really sound awesome.....;)
Kicked my Maxon AD999 from my board.
https://reverb.com/item/406571-original-vintage-ibanez-ad-9-analog-delay-c-1980
1979!
https://reverb.com/item/399136-mxr-analog-delay-1979-green
https://reverb.com/item/366006-ibanez-ad-80-analog-delay-1980
Been watching that slapback for a little time...
https://reverb.com/item/332231-electro-harmonix-slap-back-echo-silver-blue
Mother of All Repeats!!! That one is the deal! :o
https://reverb.com/item/263660-dod-680-dod-analog-delay-680
@Lacky, I agree with what ypu said, it's just that this particular one (ad-80) doesn't excite me much.
Rej I almost bpught that DOD this morning. Alas the seller won't ship to Serbia. And subsequently I found out that those are from the early 80s anyway.
Why are these 79 mxr green ones that special and expensive? Any real reason?
I also think that these slap back echo ehx pedals are cool but ultimately I am not that much into slapback delay only use that once in a blue moon
I'd like that DOD.. would fit well with my chorus of the same serie.... ;D
Dunno why the MXR are that expansive, though i've seen some for cheaper, in the 200$ range.
Most of the pedals i buy are at first not available to Canada... reason why there's a transistion spot in US, rarely hard to find someone who will make the commission... having the chance to play with relics and what not is fun. And the shipping from US to a US location is rather cheap and they can then ship to you with a custom form made so you don't get fawked by the customs... all in all it will more often cost less than buying directly from the seller who will not want to compromise on shipping to back his ass.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on December 31, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
Why are these 79 mxr green ones that special and expensive? Any real reason?
2 reasons......
SAD1024 and R5101.
I believe that these MXR Green Delays used either or both of these chips in multitude. :o
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on December 31, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: Cortexturizer on December 31, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
Why are these 79 mxr green ones that special and expensive? Any real reason?
2 reasons......
SAD1024 and R5101.
I believe that these MXR Green Delays used either or both of these chips in multitude. :o
Ok! do want know! lol
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on December 31, 2014, 06:51:18 PM
Quote from: Cortexturizer on December 31, 2014, 05:08:27 PM
Why are these 79 mxr green ones that special and expensive? Any real reason?
2 reasons......
SAD1024 and R5101.
I believe that these MXR Green Delays used either or both of these chips in multitude. :o
3 x SAD or 1 x R5101 (which tend to get replaced with PT2399s from what I see on ebay).
The only special thing about them is due to the short delay time of the chips they have moving filters so the pedal gets darker as the time gets longer to pull as much out time as possible without whine (Mark Hammer likes to mention this on DIYSB) however... I doubt the time is that great even still. Noise is probably increased a lot using several SAD1024, they make good flangers but the delays are usually described as "gritty/grainy" which is some peoples bag but not everyones.
They cost a lot cause they're old and rare probably over the chips, but the chips do help as a marketing thing (think if we all start listing pedals with "NOS Rare V3205!" in the title we can manipulate the market? :P ).
I believe the 70's version of the MXR Delay used (3) SAD1024 chips. Sometime during ~1980ish, they switched to the R5101 chip.
If you think SAD1024s are made from fermented unicorn urine...... try getting an R5101! ::)
EDIT: Damn... Scruffie beat me to it! ;)
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on December 31, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
I believe the 70's version of the MXR Delay used (3) SAD1024 chips. Sometime during ~1980ish, they switched to the R5101 chip.
If you think SAD1024s are made from fermented unicorn urine...... try getting an R5101! ::)
EDIT: Damn... Scruffie beat me to it! ;)
5101, that's the huge looking one? That is also found in the DOD 680?
That's the one, they seem to be pretty static sensitive and die more often than other BBDs.
Think it was also used in the flanger/doubler rack unit but that could be another chip.
Here's what I have so far (I use em in the same order, wicked wicked tones available)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10881587_10152985643311337_3259004781497512785_n.jpg?oh=15027463360de9a2c17dc5be128db783&oe=553B8B14&__gda__=1425719617_b2feaf2caf879368569411c4e15c8480)
the DMM would fall so well into the mix it would be ridiculous. I suppose the wait will be a long one but I will get there!
Yup! DMM would fit in there very nicely..... now that i look at that, i need a vintage wah... Boomerangs goes out for not too bad... damn addiction!
My biggest struggle with the vintage stuff, is the dirt, it's just out of price... ...all the time... i had a Shine-Ei Companion but it really sounded like shit to me... than i have a 79-80 RAT... wich also falls in the shit category... and all the dirts that i'd be into are always 600$ and up... can't really justify that.
Oh My!!! Just realised that i had a MicroSynth! Dirt need filled a bit..! :o
Yeah the dirt is definitely the priciest of all them sorts!
You just got so many cool pedals man forget about the vintage stuff for a couple of days :-D
Quote from: Cortexturizer on December 31, 2014, 08:04:56 PM
Yeah the dirt is definitely the priciest of all them sorts!
You just got so many cool pedals man forget about the vintage stuff for a couple of days :-D
You can't! There's always a deal out there lurking at you! lol
What where you thinking of, as dirt goes?
You mean in general or for this board? For the board have it covered this colorsound has it all, volume, fuzz, wah.
In general I'd love to get an ugly fuzz of some sort that I'd infuse in the colorsound for some round octavy superfuzzish toanz
Quote from: Cortexturizer on December 31, 2014, 08:34:25 PM
You mean in general or for this board? For the board have it covered this colorsound has it all, volume, fuzz, wah.
In general I'd love to get an ugly fuzz of some sort that I'd infuse in the colorsound for some round octavy superfuzzish toanz
Yeah i was talking of that board, did'nt remember the colorsound was doing it all.... there's quite a couple Fuzzwah out there in an obtainable range of price.... could be a nice option when time comes that is (see, i can be rational,lol)
Just to inject a bit of reality here. Does anyone recall that the MXR analog delay sounded like ass? By about 1981 you couldn't give one away. There is a very special sound that can only come from the SAD1024 (chorus and flange) but delay isn't one of them.
Sorry, I know this goes against the mojo grain.
And I'm half way into my new years eve beer stash. Happy New Year!!!
Quote from: gordo on January 01, 2015, 01:08:56 AM
Just to inject a bit of reality here. Does anyone recall that the MXR analog delay sounded like ass? By about 1981 you couldn't give one away. There is a very special sound that can only come from the SAD1024 (chorus and flange) but delay isn't one of them.
Sorry, I know this goes against the mojo grain.
Hey gordo, that's very interesting stuff about the MXR delay. I am by no means going for these seventies delays for the mojo factor nor necessarily for the sound, it's more for a concept this pedalboard kind of adheres to. So if you say that the MXR sounds like ass, I totally believe you! Haven't heard one, haven't played one.
Also your comment about the beer stash made me laugh haha, cheers man, glad you had a dizzy one! happy new year!
In the meantime I've found one list of these bad boys here - http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/new/kb/effects/timebased/echo-delay
(http://i.imgur.com/PFVyku5.png)
As you can see both the DOD and the Maxon are here noted as introduced in 1979 whereas I've seen just about everywhere on the internet that the DOD is 1980 or 1981, a bunch of guys have the quality inspection stickers inside that say 1981 and so on...
Not sure about the Maxon. Can't find anything about the method of determining the age of vintage Maxon pedals, if someone out there knows, please help.
As it seems, the Ross one did exist back then. That one might be worth looking into as well. Some cool inside shots of it in here - http://effectsfreak.com/effect/ross/r-80_stereo_delay_wyellow_case_usa/
Quote from: Cortexturizer on January 01, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Quote from: gordo on January 01, 2015, 01:08:56 AM
Just to inject a bit of reality here. Does anyone recall that the MXR analog delay sounded like ass? By about 1981 you couldn't give one away. There is a very special sound that can only come from the SAD1024 (chorus and flange) but delay isn't one of them.
Sorry, I know this goes against the mojo grain.
Hey gordo, that's very interesting stuff about the MXR delay. I am by no means going for these seventies delays for the mojo factor nor necessarily for the sound, it's more for a concept this pedalboard kind of adheres to. So if you say that the MXR sounds like ass, I totally believe you! Haven't heard one, haven't played one.
Also your comment about the beer stash made me laugh haha, cheers man, glad you had a dizzy one! happy new year!
In the meantime I've found one list of these bad boys here - http://www.dinosaurrockguitar.com/new/kb/effects/timebased/echo-delay
(http://i.imgur.com/PFVyku5.png)
As you can see both the DOD and the Maxon are here noted as introduced in 1979 whereas I've seen just about everywhere on the internet that the DOD is 1980 or 1981, a bunch of guys have the quality inspection stickers inside that say 1981 and so on...
Not sure about the Maxon. Can't find anything about the method of determining the age of vintage Maxon pedals, if someone out there knows, please help.
As it seems, the Ross one did exist back then. That one might be worth looking into as well. Some cool inside shots of it in here - http://effectsfreak.com/effect/ross/r-80_stereo_delay_wyellow_case_usa/
Date codes on IC and Pots is the most reliable way of doing it... though they will sometime have stocked on the component a tad before the actual production, see year.
Judging by those Ross delay photos and the Ross flanger being much the same as the MXR flanger... that is also much the same as the MXR delay.
The dates on that list are all wrong, the MXR was 77, the Memory Mans were all 78.
Hm I remember seeing on a bunch of sites that the first memory man was 1976.. damn
Quote from: Scruffie on January 01, 2015, 09:07:27 PM
Judging by those Ross delay photos and the Ross flanger being much the same as the MXR flanger... that is also much the same as the MXR delay.
The dates on that list are all wrong, the MXR was 77, the Memory Mans were all 78.
Man, you're an encyclopedia.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on December 31, 2014, 07:32:19 PM
Here's what I have so far (I use em in the same order, wicked wicked tones available)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10881587_10152985643311337_3259004781497512785_n.jpg?oh=15027463360de9a2c17dc5be128db783&oe=553B8B14&__gda__=1425719617_b2feaf2caf879368569411c4e15c8480)
the DMM would fall so well into the mix it would be ridiculous. I suppose the wait will be a long one but I will get there!
That's a cool collection you have there! I agree, the DMM would be gorgeous there.
Yeah the Guyatone went through after I've seen a 79 catalogue and I am glad it did because it's a cool box of glitch.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on January 01, 2015, 09:48:34 PM
Hm I remember seeing on a bunch of sites that the first memory man was 1976.. damn
I trust the dated schematics more than the internet :)
As far as I can tell, the SAD1024 didn't come on to the market until '77 and the MN3005 followed in '78.
Another early delay was actually by Tycobrahe, but it's insanely rare.
Quote from: micromegas on January 01, 2015, 09:50:53 PM
Quote from: Scruffie on January 01, 2015, 09:07:27 PM
Judging by those Ross delay photos and the Ross flanger being much the same as the MXR flanger... that is also much the same as the MXR delay.
The dates on that list are all wrong, the MXR was 77, the Memory Mans were all 78.
Man, you're an encyclopedia.
Haha, just got good reference material :)
Ok, let's talk DMMs for a moment here. Things like two prongs/three prong cables and such. What should I be wary of as an EU buyer? Which versions are best suited to the 220V network that we have here? Although, I've seen cheap step down thingies that accept a 3 prong cable and put the 220 down to 110 before reaching the pedal.
Quote from: Cortexturizer on January 02, 2015, 12:08:48 AM
Ok, let's talk DMMs for a moment here. Things like two prongs/three prong cables and such. What should I be wary of as an EU buyer? Which versions are best suited to the 220V network that we have here? Although, I've seen cheap step down thingies that accept a 3 prong cable and put the 220 down to 110 before reaching the pedal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mains_electricity_by_country
Any DMM bought from the EU countries with the same voltage'll do ya, then you just need the right plug adapter or to just cut the plug off and wire in a new one.
Any way to date these old Maxons??
The guy I was telling you about posted this old AD-80 once again, here's what the picture shows - http://prntscr.com/5o0gib , this looks like an early unit by the number probably...
This one looks the condition it's in, pretty nice overall - http://prntscr.com/5o0imf
Well from what I found the particular line of pedals was made from 79-81, if that means the delay was made when the line started I can't say (perhaps the '80' in the name suggests it was made from 1980? Speculation though).
You could date the pot codes for a slight better idea but it's not 100%.