Spotted on TGP today:
Quotebut I've been looking to get a really warm and bright overdrive to add to my board
On DIYSB the other day (different person):
QuoteI meant something clear, warm and bright
When I told the DIYSB guy that he was, to the best of my knowledge, asking for a circuit to do two polar opposites at the same time (he also wanted a "completely clean" tube preamp circuit that adds harmonics and sustain ... but isn't a compressor and didn't EQ the signal), he said:
Quoteyes, you can have warm and bright sound. The equilibrium point between these two is a matter of aesthetics.
Anyway, no offence, any musician in here understands what I mean and looking for.
So since I'm clearly not a musician because I can't frigging understand this, what the hell definition of "warm" are people using that encompasses "bright"?
Jon, you are arguing with a 3 year old. You can't win!
Or in the case of my 15 year old nephew...apparently he knows everything including life in general :o
Jon, he means that you need to have a clear glass 150 watt incandescent lamp instead of a LED indicator, then the pedal will be "warm, and bright, and clear". Sheesh, any musician knows that....
I think I'm unusually on edge about sonic adjectives at the moment because I've been researching microphones. Every mic is "completely natural" but "adds" character, warthm, and everything else you can imagine. Sheesh. Even the people who I KNOW FOR A FACT make or mod great microphones (Michael Joly comes to mind) are steeped in more marketing BS than a dozen Mike Fullers.
The Good Guys post frequency response graphs and polar patterns. <3
hahaha all of this made me laugh, Jon thank you for this, fantastic.
I've had a friend ask me to make him a fuzz that does exactly that and I declined saying that such a circuit cannot be made :D "incredible balls and low end, awesome mids, and a string to string separation of a light overdrive pedal and that it cleans up with a volume knob"
Quote from: midwayfair on April 09, 2015, 01:05:55 PM
I think I'm unusually on edge about sonic adjectives at the moment because I've been researching microphones. Every mic is "completely natural" but "adds" character, warthm, and everything else you can imagine. Sheesh. Even the people who I KNOW FOR A FACT make or mod great microphones (Michael Joly comes to mind) are steeped in more marketing BS than a dozen Mike Fullers.
The Good Guys post frequency response graphs and polar patterns. <3
You see this in high-fidelity audio design all the time. Some folks want something that is accurate but with a bit more bass, a bit less treble, etc...
Fidelity = accurate. It's OK to have preferences different than accurate, but adding or subtracting frequencies inherently makes it less accurate.
Please tell me your signature line on DIYSB is the same as the one here, cause that makes the "musician" comment that much more ridiculous (Hi, my name's Jon, here are five proprietary circuits I've designed which are currently being marketed, and here's a link to the music I create on a far more regular basis than 92% of all "musicians" out there).
This is why I don't frequent any other forum other than this one and, every now and then, BYOC.
I think I remember the word "warm" being banned as an audio descriptor from recording review back when I was lurking there because it means something different to everyone who uses it. People can't even agree about what "warm" means when talking about temperature!
You should tell the dude that, as a musician, you don't want to hear his "music."
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
Guy needs one of these to finally have the pedal that really understands him.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/24dow2r.jpg)
The mind-control, I mean. Not the shirt.
Quote from: irmcdermott on April 09, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
I have had very good results with this Fuzz Face mod:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/drolobucket/fuzzface%20mod.png)
Cleans up marvelously, ballsy, yet, dare I say, transparent.
Quote from: drolo on April 09, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: irmcdermott on April 09, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
I have had very good results with this Fuzz Face mod:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/drolobucket/fuzzface%20mod.png)
Cleans up marvelously, ballsy, yet, dare I say, transparent.
Haha! Well played.
Quote from: drolo on April 09, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: irmcdermott on April 09, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
I have had very good results with this Fuzz Face mod:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/drolobucket/fuzzface%20mod.png)
Cleans up marvelously, ballsy, yet, dare I say, transparent.
Snicker.
I was going to post a fuzz on 4/1 that I called "total sonic destruction" that was a mix of two summed 180-degree out-of-phase signals.
Quote from: drolo on April 09, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: irmcdermott on April 09, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
I have had very good results with this Fuzz Face mod:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/drolobucket/fuzzface%20mod.png)
Cleans up marvelously, ballsy, yet, dare I say, transparent.
I hope this is verified because I just sent it off to Oshpark. I couldn't get it under 4 layers and 12 vias but whatever.
If I'm reading this right, I believe it will be totally transparent while completely changing the tone.
I'll have a couple boards left over if anybody is interested. Maybe even do a group buy!
Quote from: midwayfair on April 09, 2015, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: drolo on April 09, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: irmcdermott on April 09, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
I understand these jokes!
I have had very good results with this Fuzz Face mod:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/drolobucket/fuzzface%20mod.png)
Cleans up marvelously, ballsy, yet, dare I say, transparent.
Snicker.
I was going to post a fuzz on 4/1 that I called "total sonic destruction" that was a mix of two summed 180-degree out-of-phase signals.
I understand these jokes!
The types of quotes from cork sniffers trying to describe what tone they want reminds me of this:
Contradiction city!!
Quote from: drolo on April 09, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: irmcdermott on April 09, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
I have had very good results with this Fuzz Face mod:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/drolobucket/fuzzface%20mod.png)
Cleans up marvelously, ballsy, yet, dare I say, transparent.
I have a concern though... is it true bypass? I mean, like REAL true bypass? I've heard that cables could colour your tone. You might want to use a klone buffer there.
Quote from: midwayfair on April 09, 2015, 12:57:24 PM
Spotted on TGP today:
Quotebut I've been looking to get a really warm and bright overdrive to add to my board
On DIYSB the other day (different person):
QuoteI meant something clear, warm and bright
When I told the DIYSB guy that he was, to the best of my knowledge, asking for a circuit to do two polar opposites at the same time (he also wanted a "completely clean" tube preamp circuit that adds harmonics and sustain ... but isn't a compressor and didn't EQ the signal), he said:
Quoteyes, you can have warm and bright sound. The equilibrium point between these two is a matter of aesthetics.
Anyway, no offence, any musician in here understands what I mean and looking for.
So since I'm clearly not a musician because I can't frigging understand this, what the hell definition of "warm" are people using that encompasses "bright"?
Warm/dark - Emphasis on the lower frequencies with a smoother top.
Bright - Emphasis on the higher frequencies, more cutting.
Absolutely, they are opposites like scooped vs humped mids.
So not being a musician ;) I can assume he wants something that's got a lot of bottom end push with cutting top. Given that he's not wanting a boost or a compressor that would even out the frequencies, one can only assume he wants the mids to stay put, hence be scooped in comparison to the warm bottom and bright top (and invisible in a mix...). That's how I'd translate it anyhow. For the OD I'd recommend him a Colorsound OD. It's got a BAX so he can have his 'warm and bright' sound. Then when he works out that doesn't actually work, he can adjust accordingly.
Hmmm, this is where I have trouble and really try to get people to give me examples of what they want. The tube pre... Again I'd suggest maybe he's wanting a tube boost rather than a tube OD (where the OD will have emphasis on specific frequencies and the boost just does the whole lot). They all lose me when they want something transparent that 'adds' something. Then it's not transparent. By definition, it's not bloody transparent, you're wanting to add harmonics and sustain! FWIW, baby boobtube, if I'm understanding him.
It's frustrating though, I'll grant you.
The total ignorance of said user aside, this thread made me laugh!
After Jon screwed it all up with being serious, I'll bring the level down again :)
(http://felix.kalium.org/upload/share/one-does-not-k30ilx.jpg)
Quote from: Cortexturizer on April 09, 2015, 01:07:01 PM
hahaha all of this made me laugh, Jon thank you for this, fantastic.
I've had a friend ask me to make him a fuzz that does exactly that and I declined saying that such a circuit cannot be made :D "incredible balls and low end, awesome mids, and a string to string separation of a light overdrive pedal and that it cleans up with a volume knob"
Tell him to buy a Trainwreck Express.
The pricetag is how you know it does all that.
Quote from: icecycle66 on April 09, 2015, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on April 09, 2015, 03:19:55 PM
Quote from: drolo on April 09, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: irmcdermott on April 09, 2015, 02:58:49 PM
I thank the good Lord every day for this forum, and that no one here has taken a drink of the Kool-Aid.
Also.... what do you recommend for the cleanest fuzz out there? Only real musician's reply please.
I understand these jokes!
I have had very good results with this Fuzz Face mod:
(http://i1277.photobucket.com/albums/y492/drolobucket/fuzzface%20mod.png)
Cleans up marvelously, ballsy, yet, dare I say, transparent.
Snicker.
I was going to post a fuzz on 4/1 that I called "total sonic destruction" that was a mix of two summed 180-degree out-of-phase signals.
I understand these jokes!
Have you tried the "trace cut" mod?
Quote from: Martan on April 09, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
Guy needs one of these to finally have the pedal that really understands him.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/24dow2r.jpg)
The mind-control, I mean. Not the shirt.
Warmer and more tubular with a little more translucence without EQ...of course, [pretend to twiddle knobs] how does this sound?
PERFECT! what did you do? NOTHING!
I loved doing that to our lead singer...
I swear I had a video producer ask me to make the music score more tubular once...
I can't stand DIYSB. ;D
This thread is gold....
I'm glad I don't have to worry about any existence or non-existence of musicianship here while I'm falling over backwards laughing...
Quote from: cooder on April 09, 2015, 08:38:30 PM
I'm glad I don't have to worry about any existence or non-existence of musicianship here ...
Me too, I'm glad we're all bass players.
Quote from: icecycle66 on April 09, 2015, 09:11:58 PM
Quote from: cooder on April 09, 2015, 08:38:30 PM
I'm glad I don't have to worry about any existence or non-existence of musicianship here ...
Me too, I'm glad we're all bass players.
You say that, but I'm a hilariously poor bassist. The engineer I record with once took a bass away from me and laughed at me. We were recording the song "1962" (on the second MF album) and he asked me how I could be such a bad bassist. Then he played a good bassline for the the song straight through after like 3 takes.
Quote from: juansolo on April 09, 2015, 03:52:24 PM
Warm/dark - Emphasis on the lower frequencies with a smoother top.
Bright - Emphasis on the higher frequencies, more cutting.
That's what I was thinking. Maybe not mid scooped, there was no mention of mids, so mids would be flat. Just boosted highs and boosted lows...?
Look Jon, I would be peeved if someone spoke to me like that too, but to be honest I don't think he was intentionally trying to be offensive. He's on a pedal building / electronics forum and...probably...assumes we don't actually pick up our guitars anymore...?
Well he'd be right with that one.
My guitar gets far less playing action than it should since I discovered the joys of building pedalz!
As an engineer, I get a lot of random "musician language" requests like this. Learning how to translate it into meaningful action is an important job skill!
My related-but-tangential version of this is when they ask you to turn this up, then turn that up, then turn this other thing up, and hey how about this fourth thing? Everything louder than everything else!
Quote from: blearyeyes on April 09, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: Martan on April 09, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
Guy needs one of these to finally have the pedal that really understands him.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/24dow2r.jpg)
The mind-control, I mean. Not the shirt.
Warmer and more tubular with a little more translucence without EQ...of course, [pretend to twiddle knobs] how does this sound?
PERFECT! what did you do? NOTHING!
I loved doing that to our lead singer...
I swear I had a video producer ask me to make the music score more tubular once...
Our sound man in a band I used to be in worked for a time at a big church. Whenever somebody wanted him to change the sound, he would turn a knob on the board that didn't do anything. Then ask "That better?" Most of the time they'd say "Yep" and walk away happy as a clam.
Hate to say it, but... every other week I play soundman at church. I don't change a bloomin' thing, but Dad tells me every time I'm on, "It sounded a lot better, Alan!"
Quote from: alanp on April 10, 2015, 09:04:58 AM
Hate to say it, but... every other week I play soundman at church. I don't change a bloomin' thing, but Dad tells me every time I'm on, "It sounded a lot better, Alan!"
It's what Dad's do in'it... ;)
Quote from: billstein on April 10, 2015, 05:21:34 AM
Quote from: blearyeyes on April 09, 2015, 05:24:59 PM
Quote from: Martan on April 09, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
Guy needs one of these to finally have the pedal that really understands him.
(http://i59.tinypic.com/24dow2r.jpg)
The mind-control, I mean. Not the shirt.
Warmer and more tubular with a little more translucence without EQ...of course, [pretend to twiddle knobs] how does this sound?
PERFECT! what did you do? NOTHING!
I loved doing that to our lead singer...
I swear I had a video producer ask me to make the music score more tubular once...
Our sound man in a band I used to be in worked for a time at a big church. Whenever somebody wanted him to change the sound, he would turn a knob on the board that didn't do anything. Then ask "That better?" Most of the time they'd say "Yep" and walk away happy as a clam.
I enjoy doing this to pretentious assholes who request things like "can I get half a dB cut at 4k?" Or "can you bump up 0.5 dB at 12k?" Then I twist the headphone vol knob on the desk, ask "how about now?"and they are like "perfect!"
Quote from: lincolnic on April 10, 2015, 05:01:07 AM
As an engineer, I get a lot of random "musician language" requests like this. Learning how to translate it into meaningful action is an important job skill!
My related-but-tangential version of this is when they ask you to turn this up, then turn that up, then turn this other thing up, and hey how about this fourth thing? Everything louder than everything else!
That's when the lecture about masking comes in and the demo of hi pass filters on the guitar tracks in the mix. They love the way it tightens up the mix until you solo the guitars. When soloed "oh that's awful!" Un-soled "oh that's much better"
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Quote from: blearyeyes on April 18, 2015, 08:16:02 PM
Quote from: lincolnic on April 10, 2015, 05:01:07 AM
As an engineer, I get a lot of random "musician language" requests like this. Learning how to translate it into meaningful action is an important job skill!
My related-but-tangential version of this is when they ask you to turn this up, then turn that up, then turn this other thing up, and hey how about this fourth thing? Everything louder than everything else!
That's when the lecture about masking comes in and the demo of hi pass filters on the guitar tracks in the mix. They love the way it tightens up the mix until you solo the guitars. When soloed "oh that's awful!" Un-soled "oh that's much better"
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Yep. I recently had to completely remix a record because the band's guitarist insisted on having his guitars all being super big and loud (and thus overpowering the rest of the band). When they let me redo it properly, everyone was much happier.