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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: raulduke on February 22, 2016, 12:38:49 PM

Title: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on February 22, 2016, 12:38:49 PM
We have a lot of NGD threads, and it's always fun to see what people have been buying, so maybe it could be fun to have a thread where we can collate all these 'New Gear Day' posts in one place?

Just bought one of these (Yamaha EM90A) with the intention of running my synths etc. through as a summing mixer. Figured it would be more fun than buying something new and utilitarian.

The spring reverb sounds great (surprisingly). The preamp's sound good (although I haven't had chance to check out the mic preamps yet). The rhythm generator is a basic analogue drum machine that is a novelty at best. I may record some of the rhythms from it for a laugh though.
(https://myblogitsfullofstars.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/yamaha2bem90a2b.jpg)

I also posted this (Korg SDD1000) before the forum went down, but thought I would show it again.
This thing sounds gorgeous. Really really nice delay. I love the hold feature. Why modern digital delays do not have this I do not know.
(http://www.tornadostudios.dk/BT_Gear/BT_Gear_KorgSDD-1000.jpg)

Another one that I got was this Guyatone Analogue Delay. Has a nice clean tone for an analogue delay (a lot cleaner than the Carbon Copy I had). It also has a dual time feature where you can footswitch between two delay times. Quite useful. I love the graphics on this too. Pure 80's  :)
(http://img.audiofanzine.com/images/u/product/normal/guyatone-ps-014-dual-time-delay-33576.jpg)

I'm on a real 'old and cheap' gear bent at the moment. Some really nice stuff is available for very little outlay. Plus a lot of it looks way cooler than modern stuff  ;D
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: Muadzin on February 22, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
What does the hold function on the SDD-1000 precisely do? Is it akin to the hold function on the Boss DD2/3 pedals? Which seems to be a primitive first step towards the current loop functions that many modern delays have.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on February 22, 2016, 02:33:03 PM
Quote from: Muadzin on February 22, 2016, 01:30:33 PM
What does the hold function on the SDD-1000 precisely do? Is it akin to the hold function on the Boss DD2/3 pedals? Which seems to be a primitive first step towards the current loop functions that many modern delays have.

It loops the current delay buffer indefinitely and mutes the input signal. Eg. if you have a time of 550ms set then it loops 550ms. You can also play with the filter and modulation settings for sh*ts and giggles.

The Lexicon Primetime features a hold function, which in collaboration with a sample rate control, allows for all sorts of sh*ts and giggles. Look up Daniel Lanois Black Dub for some examples (Brian Eno is a fan as well by all accounts).

Mostly it's just a lot of FUN... like a lot of things that are primitive (one particular primitive activity... perhaps the most primitive of them all...springs to mind  ;))
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: jimilee on February 22, 2016, 03:41:02 PM
Those are very nice.


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Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: jubal81 on February 23, 2016, 05:22:37 AM
I got a couple things lately that I can wholeheartedly recommend.


First is the new One-Spot Pro. I needed to replace the wall-wart One-Spot, which I'd become annoyed with because of the noise and how it has a tendency to whine with charge pumps and other plugs. Looked at all the options and counterintuitively decided to take a shot with the new One-Spot pro and it's awesome. Totally silent. All the options I need and more. Only complaint is that the hook up cables that come with it are rather short.




The other is the new Polytune clip-on tuner. It's amazingly accurate, easy to see and easy to use.


(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/closeup/750-1SpotProCS12_detail6.jpg)
(http://guitarnoize.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/polytune-clip.jpg)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: jimilee on February 23, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
Well, there's this
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/15dffc6dec869c06a9fded22b2fd0e52.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/d2d1872ea4359c518b944c266c836da7.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/0da18de9d5ad8b4c1ef272cca93d6ce4.jpg)
So, that's a thing


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Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on February 23, 2016, 06:44:35 PM
That esp is a beaut.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: jimilee on February 23, 2016, 07:36:22 PM

Quote from: raulduke on February 23, 2016, 06:44:35 PM
That esp is a beaut.
Thanks, the dimarzios scream.


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Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: thesameage on February 23, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
This is not new, but I have finally dialed it in after fiddling with the setup for a few months. Sold an old G&L bass that I loved but never bonded with and had one of the luthiers from echo park guitars make me a nice Neck and body. I finished them myself with shellac (from flake) and tru-oil. Pickups are from Timbo (is he winding again?).

Here's Timbo's description of the pickups: The neck pickup is a P-Bass, ~10k, 42awg plain enamel wire, alnico 5 magnets, but with the bobbin flatwork shaved to fit inside a Jazzmaster cover, and with the rod magnets exposed like a WRHB.

The bridge pickup is a humbucker based off Jazz bass pickups, but with 40awg wire on one coil and 42awg on the other, raised rods on one side to match the WRHB-like configuration of the neck. It reads 11k5, fit in the JM cover just perfect.

Sounds and feels amazing:

(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af348/coverbagman/IMG_2832_zpsopsc6dnq.jpg)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: matmosphere on February 23, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
I remember the post about those pickups. Great idea, they look set in there. The whole bass looks great.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: kgull on February 24, 2016, 01:01:49 AM
Not super new gear but the best tuner I've ever used (and currently own) is the Sonic Research ST-300. It's something like 99.98% accurate (+/-.02 cents) and I find the stroboscope is much easier and faster to dial in than the bar style or needle style tuners everyone else tends to use.

I've played with the polytune clip ons above as well and they are SUPER nice for a clip on tuner (accurate to +/- 1 cent), definitely the best clip on out there, but I'll stick with my turbo tuner :P
(https://www.turbo-tuner.com/images/ST-300-top-249h.jpg)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: nzCdog on February 24, 2016, 02:44:55 AM
Quote from: raulduke on February 22, 2016, 12:38:49 PM
I also posted this (Korg SDD1000) before the forum went down, but thought I would show it again.
This thing sounds gorgeous. Really really nice delay. I love the hold feature. Why modern digital delays do not have this I do not know.
(http://www.tornadostudios.dk/BT_Gear/BT_Gear_KorgSDD-1000.jpg)


I saw your original post, and GAS'd bad for one of these:
(http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/resources/images/content/2015-09/REV/Korg_SDD3000_FEATURED.jpg?1441402121)

It's in the post now.... can't wait till it arrives! Squeeee! :D
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on February 24, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
Nice!

It got a rave review in Sound on Sound. Looks great in the demo videos as well.

Think there must be some magic in the SDD delays.

Saying that pretty much everything Korg makes has a bit of magic in there 8)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: nzCdog on February 24, 2016, 03:33:11 PM
Quote from: raulduke on February 24, 2016, 03:09:04 PM
Think there must be some magic in the SDD delay.
Indeed, the best kind of magic smoke is stored inside! I think my pedalboard's gonna freak when it sees the size of this thing. :o
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: micromegas on February 24, 2016, 11:36:06 PM
Hi everyone!
I think this is my first post in almost 5 months.... been busy with all the changes (moving to London, starting new masters, etc). Haven't built a pedal in a while.
However, I need to show my new beauty. I couldn't live without a guitar, so I got this 2nd hand 2000's Korean Levinson Blade Texas.
Amazing guitar for the price, building quality is amazing (fret ends covered with wood  ::) ) and the woods are resonant and nice. Neck is thinner than my G&L, but still 12'' radius It has Fender Noisless pickups that I'll change for some Dimarzio if I am ever able to recover from paying rent in London. The bridge saddles are from a Japanese high-end Levinson and have to say I really like them.

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kTCsWze2vDZSczc_NTDKHbCk4gBE5z-tSBXwmX4bR1gCNBo79R0iapWHgSIaxRFhIJtse-DvOuDBSDlTg6IiPapuPCNhIfkDa4mTDY2NnUVt4u7aKXnOENwrjVGMhBDqGRofQZ0dk2X_HETuCIcJ6guYVRqqN54_T8zvTqXczmmFJ67R_t2xi6NPqfO-wGIGckPz19DPdokI9sXQipNZABRELvg5wjStPZRqv2YCGUW2zcvT4yhCu623XdgqW75FA2PDV9v7OGDafilNi71z6ia-6-W4i3khQ7tgC5Zlsib2_ynIZpr5JcOzDOoqbifL0lEzqAvjQ51xZAR_iMmFMhKJs_BpbX2Yr_quEWuy5mjmElh9bjdB6tcFC5tkroTzlFajKKUfabe0MCG2vSWVCy1iIuzJJ8G5vxl3BR8D88XWRoKWq4p3k5wljtcr3-uHChIyhWXEKPDL07u7e4YWJlRGEuAH0FDzDlHICi_L4ybyda7lE8y9TUM1SwbeR-Y47Amd6ilpporCch2oYf8h-KHAb-CKuOXK07C0W1qN4PsEgwy9HVD5pGwbVDq0vhHo4M9i=w1120-h1678-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pDiWRy2lpelYihDkCOi4aZanIO-ilNoGhSe1v8oNPEeQy3UCHEGN4vpdiuDDlDkZvVmy43EO_7ANsbor3Zpt95H5HSqGp0hVjIq8Sfa8PnI9XOO1ScrfExd-nixw0zGM0tDZ7upuLbIYwmdFN8ZfvxK-54s7idrb8gPPlKsyaudFL7Z-FOp8O2ViE2jl6iJOHeI2-WMUjAkWqh0ERs69IuT_oyNzsFOrPaUN36xc3PvWfRCu5sHq0w7EGlTATlLSfA74h3ikiUbw4c1DNBL-s_x15gzNmiVADxrufLhC7q_JrYnkNJzxCwvofV2eFN_ECcUriifszQo3juuwWiwvAbuPUMp9JCd9qbDztMuZonmw2Fg9DxazSV-D4aCtgfKzFN_0te2PnB4BSGZbGr2fimvG07PeS24Pc0vUcJrQ-_L8idtasfYJ4sQLLhohgbILnn6tbICDXZ4SYjl9WKNmnWQWjnbrJPXEfx0jKCjDFluo2X0z2Eq6brcW8S5Zoqj1NnKWg-pMedXzdLLdDLYwHYjR_WmwlgwRNEKmLn9UDGyq_t2pNK355dR0OTnExmYceB76=w1120-h1678-no)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4m4vNfXKdiUebv18mp10_nyNP9Ynjzl9a8uLpm3GZ8e9zsN3f6gku7nAQxC4-JTlYLQyTZws1pUhClJCi5fJlzZ6kCxOX9sYg1DWX2INnmsslQael_o2kkXOuGl0wFw2r3xyq8cMKCJRjeljoMWNvpoUMSoK8U1svwpDa_TDE9dDOc-GeW0PT2gh58CvCQndSA-bKV_QeUyhjWsqu197KjXztHdkE41bc2e2Fau1WLIkRt83LdPKFBQb_qEhGmD1u-KNogB1_T4jFK6vS1IyHbDe9Bat5MUevQ1d6V-PgvkosNvPEsu3q-K1-IjmJpIvWl-5yk6NyyeWX9eyfg4NT2kNiz2tKeBm8fLF6XNHPOcrrA5Ktvsd4dr7QAZv5ECmTCfAQ-MnrSL6BfeRxR8V7vLo9M00RlfHSeu_gcyOndu8F_KyO0qO3BlxQaY3j-11kVbGZm1tdCaJ7Him8MA1vvkqAszEXaDn9wzT4mPeB0gfLqERcSTA-7XXl_-dxqBQ1URLIFkafI1Y0Sbrnxod8O4FJZirf1nH0-NS3PJ5AiHN-AH2YYJYucvi8ekbQKVIESPN=w1120-h1678-no)

Here is the original advert, the photos have better quality than mine:
http://www.thefretboard.co.uk/discussion/52501/sold-blade-texas-classic-strat-price-drop#latest
Paid 310 pounds for it.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: micromegas on February 24, 2016, 11:39:13 PM
Quote from: jimilee on February 23, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
Well, there's this
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/d2d1872ea4359c518b944c266c836da7.jpg)
So, that's a thing


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One of my coursemates in the master (he is doing part-time) has been designing amps for Blackstar for the last 2 years. Nice guy, I may make a visit to the factory one of these days. He used to be a pedal builder btw.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: jimilee on February 25, 2016, 01:02:01 AM

Quote from: micromegas on February 24, 2016, 11:39:13 PM
Quote from: jimilee on February 23, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
Well, there's this
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160223/d2d1872ea4359c518b944c266c836da7.jpg)
So, that's a thing


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One of my coursemates in the master (he is doing part-time) has been designing amps for Blackstar for the last 2 years. Nice guy, I may make a visit to the factory one of these days. He used to be a pedal builder btw.
Wow, that's really cool.


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Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: selfdestroyer on February 26, 2016, 03:43:22 AM
My TC Electronics Ditto X4 came in today. So excited to get this mounted on my board. I am going to redo my whole board to get the MIDI on the X4 to synch with my Strymon stuff. Gives me an excuses to setup my board again from scratch.

This thing is packed with cool features.

(http://music.codydeschenes.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/img_0685-1.jpg)

Cody
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: nzCdog on February 26, 2016, 04:03:54 AM
yay!  i had the ditto 2 was quite cool, this looks like fun 8)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: alanp on February 26, 2016, 04:32:23 AM
You guys actually buy pedals? (said the stingy bastard)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: Tremster on February 26, 2016, 08:41:00 AM
Quote from: micromegas on February 24, 2016, 11:39:13 PM
One of my coursemates in the master (he is doing part-time) has been designing amps for Blackstar for the last 2 years. Nice guy, I may make a visit to the factory one of these days. He used to be a pedal builder btw.

Welcome back. Nice to see you're already networking your way into the music electronics scene.
And those Blade guitars were always of amazing quality, I wonder why they never got wider recognition.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on February 26, 2016, 09:29:17 AM
I've tried a few Blades in the past and they were really nice.

r.e. Ditto X4. I've got an original Ditto. Great pedal (also really handy as a pedal testing device; leave the loop playing while probing).

I would imagine you can do a lot with 4 of the buggars.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: Muadzin on February 26, 2016, 11:03:06 AM
Quote from: nzCdog on February 24, 2016, 02:44:55 AM
Quote from: raulduke on February 22, 2016, 12:38:49 PM
I also posted this (Korg SDD1000) before the forum went down, but thought I would show it again.
This thing sounds gorgeous. Really really nice delay. I love the hold feature. Why modern digital delays do not have this I do not know.
(http://www.tornadostudios.dk/BT_Gear/BT_Gear_KorgSDD-1000.jpg)

I saw your original post, and GAS'd bad for one of these:
(http://www.premierguitar.com/ext/resources/images/content/2015-09/REV/Korg_SDD3000_FEATURED.jpg?1441402121)

It's in the post now.... can't wait till it arrives! Squeeee! :D

Sweet! I wouldn't mind having one myself. The love child of the SDD-3000, with that famous preamp, and the SDD-2000, which didn't have that, but it did have MIDI and presets. In a pedal format!
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: Dminner on March 04, 2016, 10:00:46 PM
I bought an electronic drum set about three weeks back and just finished setting it up yesterday :)

I found a nice set and a nice price on CL...but they needed some work...

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/DanMinner/image1%203_zpssmfzwbpu.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/DanMinner/media/image1%203_zpssmfzwbpu.jpg.html)

The kit was sagging and super dirty, but the price was right and the brain had the expansion kit that is no longer offered...so it was worth it :)  After several trips to the hardware store (it was missing several nuts and bolts), the stand was then straight, strong and sag-free again:

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/DanMinner/IMG_6128_zpsz8dnvtzp.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/DanMinner/media/IMG_6128_zpsz8dnvtzp.jpg.html)

Then I had to tackle the drums...They came from a church and seem to have had 10yrs worth of dust in them...

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/DanMinner/IMG_6136_zpskhsr4fiw.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/DanMinner/media/IMG_6136_zpskhsr4fiw.jpg.html)

While they worked fine, some of the drums had less sensitivity and when cleaning them up I noticed that the trigger cones had seen better days, so I ordered some new ones and replaced them:

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/DanMinner/cone1_zpswud9tjh3.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/DanMinner/media/cone1_zpswud9tjh3.jpg.html)

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/DanMinner/cone2_zpsgqyrgblg.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/DanMinner/media/cone2_zpsgqyrgblg.jpg.html)

After a snare and some cymbal upgrades which the expansion kit on the brain allowed for it is now done and awesome.  All the issues forced me to learn a lot AND I scored on the cymbals because I got four expensive cymbals for the price of one! I scored and got all of the Cy cymbals in a "broken" lot on ebay and only one actually needed anything (the choke repair, which was super easy). The power of DIY :)

(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/DanMinner/IMG_6637_zpsu5w4jnic.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/DanMinner/media/IMG_6637_zpsu5w4jnic.jpg.html)[/QUOTE]

I love them and feel like in the future I want to do an acoustic to electronic conversion for fun, based on my new found knowledge :)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: jimilee on March 04, 2016, 11:28:56 PM
Sweet, that's on my long list of things I want when I get a house.


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Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on March 04, 2016, 11:46:42 PM
Nice.

My brothers got a kit (Roland v drums) and it's great fun.

I can't drum for shite though :)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: Dminner on March 05, 2016, 12:00:49 AM
Quote from: raulduke on March 04, 2016, 11:46:42 PM
Nice.

My brothers got a kit (Roland v drums) and it's great fun.

I can't drum for shite though :)

Yeah, this is a v-drum kit too! I had a cheapo kit with hard plastic pads a couple years ago. This is soooooooo much nicer. I love it
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: bcalla on March 05, 2016, 12:37:23 AM
The drum kit is great, but your practice room is awesome!
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: galaxiex on March 05, 2016, 01:23:27 AM
"New" gear for me, means picking up a vintage, cheap, possibly (usually) broken, amp on eBay. Guitars too.

This is my latest find. It's a Unicord Power Plus 2 X 12 with horn.
Came with "issues"... all fixed now and sounds pretty good for a germanium solid state amp from the 70's.
Pretty rare judging by how little info is out there. I think they only made these for a couple of years.
Rare does NOT = valuable, but I don't really care about that.

It takes pedals REAL well.  :)  and has a true optical Vibrato circuit.
The pitch warbling sound is most noticeable on low notes and since
I've never played this type of vibrato before, I'm still not sure I like it as compared to a normal Tremolo.
Maybe it'll grow on me.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: Dminner on March 05, 2016, 01:34:12 AM
Quote from: bcalla on March 05, 2016, 12:37:23 AM
The drum kit is great, but your practice room is awesome!

Thabks man! I got tired of kids messing with knobs and got cabinets big enough to hold everything :)



(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll190/DanMinner/IMG_6536_zps6lqncjsg.jpg) (http://s288.photobucket.com/user/DanMinner/media/IMG_6536_zps6lqncjsg.jpg.html)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on March 07, 2016, 12:54:47 PM
Your practice room is a thing of beauty.

Picked up one of these for not much £ to record my modular synth noodling (finally got it all hooked up):
(https://www.zoom-na.com/sites/default/files/styles/png_to_jpg/public/products/hero-image/leadImage_h1.png?itok=QQHyqPkO)

Really small and handy. Just switch it on, set your level, hit record and off you go. I'm going to take it everywhere with me to record ideas on the fly. So many times I come up with something on guitar, then can't for the life of me remember it the next day ;D

I don't know why I didn't get something like this sooner. It's really useful.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: nzCdog on March 15, 2016, 12:51:56 AM
Quote from: raulduke on March 07, 2016, 12:54:47 PM
Picked up one of these for not much £ to record my modular synth noodling (finally got it all hooked up):

Really small and handy. Just switch it on, set your level, hit record and off you go. I'm going to take it everywhere with me to record ideas on the fly. So many times I come up with something on guitar, then can't for the life of me remember it the next day ;D

I don't know why I didn't get something like this sooner. It's really useful.
That's cool!  Bet it sounds great too, gotta be better than my cellular phone demos.  I was looking at soething similar a few years ago for recording gigs. :)

I've got one of these in the post... Looking forward to a decent toe-dip into the brave new world of IR cabinets
(http://eshop.amtelectronics.com/images/detailed/0/PANGAEA-black-1.jpg)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: raulduke on March 15, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
That looks cool.

What do you plug into it?

I assume you need an amp with a line level output?

My Guitar rig software uses convolution and it can sound great.
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: nzCdog on March 15, 2016, 06:20:46 PM
Yes, line level input. I'm making a loadbox for my amplifier head, and this will mean silent recording or practicing with headphones... :)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: daleykd on March 15, 2016, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: selfdestroyer on February 26, 2016, 03:43:22 AM
My TC Electronics Ditto X4 came in today. So excited to get this mounted on my board. I am going to redo my whole board to get the MIDI on the X4 to synch with my Strymon stuff. Gives me an excuses to setup my board again from scratch.

This thing is packed with cool features.

I expect a demo video of this stuff with MIDI.  I've never touched MIDI before, and don't know the first thing about Strymon stuff or awesome looping.  (I DO know I want an El Capistan.)
Title: Re: New Gear Thread
Post by: daleykd on March 15, 2016, 06:57:20 PM
Quote from: Dminner on March 04, 2016, 10:00:46 PM
I bought an electronic drum set about three weeks back and just finished setting it up yesterday :)

I found a nice set and a nice price on CL...but they needed some work...

While they worked fine, some of the drums had less sensitivity and when cleaning them up I noticed that the trigger cones had seen better days, so I ordered some new ones and replaced them:

After a snare and some cymbal upgrades which the expansion kit on the brain allowed for it is now done and awesome.  All the issues forced me to learn a lot AND I scored on the cymbals because I got four expensive cymbals for the price of one! I scored and got all of the Cy cymbals in a "broken" lot on ebay and only one actually needed anything (the choke repair, which was super easy). The power of DIY :)

I love them and feel like in the future I want to do an acoustic to electronic conversion for fun, based on my new found knowledge :)

Which head unit are you using?  I was trying to find a way to upgrade the cymbals on our church's system so we can choke, but the head needed an upgrade (plus the cymbals themselves).