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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: raulduke on August 08, 2016, 04:54:21 PM

Title: Amp Emulators
Post by: raulduke on August 08, 2016, 04:54:21 PM
Need you guys help!

Anyone got any recommendations on good amp modeller units for not too much £ (ie. not Kemper type stuff)?

I've tried to keep up with playing on electric, but with a 6 week old baby, turning on my amp is:

A. Usually only possible when babies asleep.

B. Usually results in me being told off by Mr's as I will wake the baby (note even when I'm playing at really low volume)  ;D

I've got Guitar Rig on my laptop, but I'm looking for something a bit more immediate.

Is a POD still the go to for this kind of thing?
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: wgc on August 08, 2016, 05:33:07 PM
Can totally relate, but wouldn't trade the dad thing for the world. ;)

The Johnson jstation is a bit dated but you can pick them up cheap. Had the ability to go way deeper for editing than the pods of same era.

Haven't checked the more recent pods so can't comment on those.

Another cool option I've been playing with is "bias" for iPhone or iPad. Cool for learning tunes or use with garage band. Cant beat the price.

Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: jimilee on August 08, 2016, 05:33:35 PM
For this type situation, I'd go with whatever you you like. I have an amp with a headphone jack, I've built a headphone amp with a 2 channel mixer both from tagboard. I have a Scarlett that unplug in to my computer.  Just whatever is easiest price wise, space wise and size wise.


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Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: matmosphere on August 08, 2016, 05:34:59 PM
Feel your pain man. I think I barely played for a few years when our kids were born. It's actually why I got into building pedals. At least then I got to have a guitar adjacent hobby.

Best advice I can give is to invest enough that you get something worth having. Might end up being the new normal for a while.

I take that back, the ACTUAL best advice is to have fun with the little one. Kids pretty much rule.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: Muadzin on August 08, 2016, 05:43:03 PM
Plenty of cheap amp emulators to be had, good ones however depend on how anal you are about your tone. Personally I think for playing at home a Pod HD is good enough, and 2nd hand ones can be had for a good price. Especially now that Helix is out. The only downside in my opinion is that it lacks a separate volume control for its headphone output. If it has one I haven't found it yet. This means you have to use the overall volume control. Which is not something I find desirable when I also have to use it in a live situation. On the plus side the overall volume control is a big plus compared to the Pod XT, in which you had to adjust the volume in every preset. Which meant you could be playing nicely to a finely tuned preset through your headphone, then you switch to another preset and BAM, your ears start to bleed.

The thing with Line6 though is that if you're going to do some on the fly editing it's best to connect it to a laptop and use the editing software for the unit as I think Line6 editing software is very good and intuitive to use. Way way easier and quicker then using the actual Pod interface. I also have an Axe-FX and for ease of use the Line6 software beats the one from Fractal. But then again if you're going to hook up the Pod to a computer you might as well stick with Guitar Rig.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: gordo on August 09, 2016, 05:38:17 AM
On the cheap, I agree with the J-Station.  It's the sleeper of the emulator ilk.  That said, the original Line6 POD is good as well at sounding like an amp thru headphones, and the better the headphones the more convincing.  There's a bunch of disconnect between hearing a roaring Mesa Rectifier in your ears but not getting the physical feedback.  You get over it.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: drolo on August 09, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Had the same situation when our kid was born 4 years ago (how time flies ...)
I bought a Yamaha THR10 and it has been my workstation every evening since. Great for recording directly over USB.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: mrclean77 on August 09, 2016, 10:56:58 AM
I grabbed a Blackstar Fly to put on my bench for testing, but I have used it a good bit for headphone jamming and for playing along w the mp3 input. For the cost, I was super-duper surprised at how it does as an amp and may be one of the first amps I've played in a long time (not given many a chance in a while) that has on-board effects that aren't 'fried dog doo' bad.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: culturejam on August 09, 2016, 01:18:26 PM
Quote from: drolo on August 09, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
I bought a Yamaha THR10 and it has been my workstation every evening since. Great for recording directly over USB.

Second vote for the THR10. Very realistic amp models, headhphone jack, and USB out for direct recording. Also, there are effect parameters that you can only change over USB and the computer interface (like some aspects of the delay and reverb effects).

But, when you can actually unplug, it sounds very good despite the tiny speakers.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: raulduke on August 09, 2016, 03:04:20 PM
Thanks for the comments guys!

The Yamaha THR-10 is looking like a real winner.

Plus it looks cool  ;)
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: drolo on August 09, 2016, 03:44:52 PM
you can also find the cheaper THR5 which is also smaller if you can live with the few options it has less (i don't remember the actual differences )
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: solderfumes on August 09, 2016, 06:40:55 PM
Are you averse to smartphone/tablet apps?  I quite like Amplitube on my iPhone, and use an iRig Pro to connect my guitar.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: nzCdog on August 09, 2016, 08:44:02 PM
I built this: http://www.aikenamps.com/index.php/designing-a-reactive-speaker-load-emulator (http://www.aikenamps.com/index.php/designing-a-reactive-speaker-load-emulator)
And then use this:
(http://eshop.amtelectronics.com/images/detailed/0/CP-100-front1434372077557ec7ede7cee.jpg)
So I can use existing my 'real' amp and pedalboard rig running through the reactive load and IR cabinets.  Headphones out or line/bal etc.  Sounds really good
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: playpunk on August 09, 2016, 09:58:29 PM
Quote from: nzCdog on August 09, 2016, 08:44:02 PM
I built this: http://www.aikenamps.com/index.php/designing-a-reactive-speaker-load-emulator (http://www.aikenamps.com/index.php/designing-a-reactive-speaker-load-emulator)
And then use this:
(http://eshop.amtelectronics.com/images/detailed/0/CP-100-front1434372077557ec7ede7cee.jpg)
So I can use existing my 'real' amp and pedalboard rig running through the reactive load and IR cabinets.  Headphones out or line/bal etc.  Sounds really good


Is this simple circuit what suhr charges $400 for?!?!?!?


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Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: nzCdog on August 10, 2016, 01:02:29 AM
QuoteIs this simple circuit what suhr charges $400 for?!?!?!?
I'm not suhr about that to be honest... prolly a few more bells and whistles, but the concept is likely similar ;D

I had a hard time finding the inductors, ended up getting RF power chokes and removing the ferrites.  It sounds and feels better than a plain old resistor did.  There are free IR cabs out there, I like the free Ownhammers the best. 

This Pangaea thing is pretty cool for bedroom jamming etc, I have used it to DI my amp live when using IEM on a silent stage also.  It's mono in, stereo out & and truncates the IR files to 20ms... so not usable for reverbs etc. I haven't used more recent modelling gear, but used to be a modelling geek back in the early days.  Absolutely kills the early stuff like Vetta and PodxT.  TBH sounds better than if I had miked the actual amp myself :-[
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: culturejam on August 10, 2016, 01:53:40 AM
Quote from: drolo on August 09, 2016, 03:44:52 PM
you can also find the cheaper THR5 which is also smaller if you can live with the few options it has less (i don't remember the actual differences )

The 10 has a few more options:
• 5 presets for user settings
• Aux input volume control (for adjusting volume of play-along tunes via phone or whatever)
• 3-band EQ (instead of 1)
• Bass setting / Acoustic setting

I also forgot to mention that all of the THR amps have a built-in tuner (which is quite accurate) and that same button acts as a tap tempo actuator. Also, they also have noise gate and compressor effects, but they are only accessible via the THR Editor software. On the 10, you could turn on the compressor and adjust it and save to a preset. On the 5, you wouldn't have that option.

They sound the same, though. I went full monty on the 10 because I really thought the 3-band EQ was essential for getting realistic drive tones in emulation.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: raulduke on August 10, 2016, 09:05:47 AM
Thanks for the advice guys!

Just got myself a Yamaha THR10C. I wanted something immediate that I can just switch on and play.

It's the one that cuts out on High Gain emulations, and bumps up on the clean/blooz models.

Looks really handy with a wide range of stuff I didn't even know about (eg. the built in audio interface, tuner etc.).

I'm looking forward to getting it!
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: culturejam on August 10, 2016, 12:22:00 PM
I've got the 10C as well. I find that 95% of the time I use the Deluxe model because I'm testing pedals and want things to be clean but sound like it's coming through an actual amp. The "Flat" setting is good for totally clean/dry testing as well, but it's obviously a bit sterile. Flat is good for recording direct if you will be using amp/cab modeling in the recording software. For something barebones like Audacity, the Deluxe model is ideal for recording.

BTW, you can also use it simply as a portable speaker system. Just plug your phone or other devices into the Aux input and adjust the level to taste.
Title: Re: Amp Emulators
Post by: jball85 on August 13, 2016, 08:12:23 PM
I still use my Johnson J-Station from time to time, it's got a killer rectifier emulator. If I'm truly feeling lazy or need to be quiet, I just run Amplitube, Guitar Rig, or GTR3 (Waves). Using an Guitar Cabinet Impulse Response plug-in for any of these works wonders. Using headphones of course.