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Title: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on August 21, 2016, 06:48:49 AM
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=12617.0 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=12617.0)

My first Infinitphase clone was done over several PCBs, to get around my then-limitation of a maximum board size of 80x100mm. I was never very happy with this build, as the final size was gargantuan, and the nature of the multiple boards rubbed me up the wrong way.

So I've subbed for fab a second layout. This one is ALL on one PCB, and sized for a 1550E enclosure, much smaller than the 1456KL3 I used for the first build. Audio ground and noisy ground have separate planes. PSU is onboard, and needs 15-18VAC to run -- Juan could whip up some kind of 9VDC -> +/-15VDC arrangement, I'm sure, but I can't be bothered. The two cut outs at the bottom are for the normal stomp switch, and the 4/8 Stage Switch as a stomp.

I'm doing a ten board run, and have no plans to do any more past that. Once I've verified my personal board, I'll look into flogging the rest.
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Hangingmonkey on August 21, 2016, 07:36:29 AM
Cool. Well if this is the official sign up thread, count me in. My vero version is still on the shelf from 3 years ago and I don't think I will have the time to finish all the off board wiring


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Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: zombie_rock123 on August 21, 2016, 08:03:03 AM
Count me in too. Its astounding the layouts you do and that you only do it as a hobby.
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Jules on August 21, 2016, 08:36:49 AM
Quote from: zombie_rock123 on August 21, 2016, 08:03:03 AM
Count me in too. Its astounding the layouts you do and that you only do it as a hobby.
Agree with this absolutely, count me in for one.
Thanks
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: stringsthings on August 21, 2016, 05:05:31 PM
Please put me down for a PCB.  Phase shifters FTW!
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: m-Kresol on August 21, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
I'm intrigued... The design looks good Alan and sure is complex. But it seems like an effect I don't see myself using in the end, so I'll give someone else the chance to grab one  :)

Oh, just saw this: are the diodes on top of IC5 touching the IC pads? looks really close on the pic.
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: stringsthings on August 21, 2016, 10:20:19 PM
Quote from: m-Kresol on August 21, 2016, 05:37:42 PM
Oh, just saw this: are the diodes on top of IC5 touching the IC pads? looks really close on the pic.

From looking at the schematic,  I think they're supposed to be connected.   Looks like IC5 is a LM3914 and the diodes are zeners
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Jules on August 22, 2016, 12:46:45 AM
Are these 16mm Pots or 12mm so you can use clear Led style pots like the Heavy Water mk1?
It looks like a great build!
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on August 22, 2016, 04:33:30 AM
16mm, bog standard :)
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on August 23, 2016, 06:38:59 AM
I'm turning over in my head how to do a CV Input to directly control the LEDs (so you can plug in your own LFO, with a 0 - 5V range), or a foot-pedal input to do the same with an expression pedal. This is going to need a couple of switching jacks, I suspect, as well as some perf board.

Expression pedal'ing the LFO Rate should be a straightforward matter of a parallel resistance to the Rate pot, just like the Lovetone Wobulator. Not sure if I'll bother.

Cracking open the first Heavy Water, I'm getting a swing of 12.6V - 4.8V at maximum depth at pin 2 of CVMIX, with 7.8V swing, centered around 8.7V (this is with my own unit, after calibrating it, values will probably differ for other units after calibration.) So an offset of gnd lifted to 4.8V, with an amplification of 1.74X for an input range of 0-5V, if my maths is right. Two trimmers would be the way to go. (Yes, I'm thinking out keyboard.)

Manas, did you get yours to the calibration stage?
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: juansolo on August 23, 2016, 07:50:43 AM
Quote from: alanp on August 21, 2016, 06:48:49 AMJuan could whip up some kind of 9VDC -> +/-15VDC arrangement, I'm sure, but I can't be bothered.

Can do it with a brick, but entirely depends on the current draw. The Maestro PS-1A was just too much for it for example. Otherwise probably easier to do 18vDC to +/-15vDC. Which is the way I'd probably go.

Looks insane dude BTW! Impressive sir!

Reminds me that I'm sure I have one of your mad PCBs to build still. Must get around to that!
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Hangingmonkey on August 23, 2016, 10:08:13 PM
Hey Alan, no didn't get that far. I did the main vero and the power vero (was there a separate power vero... It's all vague in memory now). By the time I finished doing the vero and looked at all the off board wiring that needed doing next and the separate grounds, I shelved it as decided it needed too much time investment.  (OK, basically couldn't be arsed!)



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Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: wgc on August 24, 2016, 02:25:02 AM
Grand work Alan!
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on August 30, 2016, 04:40:20 AM
I have a horrible suspicion that the pcbs will turn up tomorrow -- AFTER World of Warcraft: Legion has been released.

If they do, you lot had better start praying that WoW gets DDoS'ed under a deluge of eager basement dwellers.
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: selfdestroyer on August 30, 2016, 04:57:36 PM
Quote from: alanp on August 30, 2016, 04:40:20 AM
I have a horrible suspicion that the pcbs will turn up tomorrow -- AFTER World of Warcraft: Legion has been released.

If they do, you lot had better start praying that WoW gets DDoS'ed under a deluge of eager basement dwellers.

LOL this is great.

Cody
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on September 01, 2016, 07:27:34 AM
I must be getting old. WoW: Legion has gone live, no server issues, no lag, smooth as butter, and I'm NOT mainlining it.

Ordered the rest of the parts for this, and this is where I am so far:
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: zombie_rock123 on September 01, 2016, 08:36:29 AM
Its... its beautiful :o Love the led/ldr arrangement!
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on September 01, 2016, 12:38:00 PM
Would DEFINITELY be interested in this Alan...  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Martan on September 02, 2016, 01:37:28 PM
Definitely interested if any available.

Marty
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on September 05, 2016, 07:31:54 AM
Rest of my parts turned up, and a few hours were spent troubleshooting.

Traces need to be cut, patches need to be made, and a couple resistors have to be bodged in. I'm pretty sure the Depth pot works backwards :/
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Jules on September 05, 2016, 09:04:24 AM
Still interested Alan, what type Ldr did you use?
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on September 05, 2016, 09:24:23 AM
Cheapo, bog standard Tayda LDRs.

I'm not happy with the amount of bodging needed on this board. I'm tempted to have another run of a revised version done. I need to re-route the Resonance pot, and then test again. too late, right now.

As it stands, if I sold copies of the current version of this board, it'd rate as Wile E. difficulty.
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on September 06, 2016, 07:26:56 AM
Done!

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/Gutstwohand/hw%20box_zpslbxytyui.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/Gutstwohand/media/hw%20box_zpslbxytyui.jpg.html)
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/Gutstwohand/hw%20guts_zpsroxe3w8i.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/Gutstwohand/media/hw%20guts_zpsroxe3w8i.jpg.html)

More patches on the pcb than I like, but it works :)

Given that I had to bend all the sequencer pots out of the way to troubleshoot, it wound up being a real adventure, getting the sodding board in the enclosure with 18 pots, 9 of which were bent out of alignment!

(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/Gutstwohand/hw%20save_zpsgevdfbil.jpg) (http://s163.photobucket.com/user/Gutstwohand/media/hw%20save_zpsgevdfbil.jpg.html)

This is to illustrate how much floorspace I saved :)
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: m-Kresol on September 06, 2016, 08:01:46 AM
turned out great Alan. so much space on top and you still go with side mount jacks ::)

on a more serious note, great job on drilling/alignement. this is a horror scenario for me. At least they were 16mm pots and not 9mm ;)
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: alanp on September 06, 2016, 08:04:09 AM
All the LFO signals and noisy grounds are flying around the top of the PCB -- I didn't want to go near them with my audio signals.
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: stringsthings on September 06, 2016, 12:43:09 PM
Looking good!  That's a lot of knobs.  I see why you went with inexpensive ones.
Nice work on the recessed LEDs.  I've yet to try that.
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Govmnt_Lacky on September 06, 2016, 12:57:09 PM
Looks fantastic Alan!

Let us know when you get the boards sorted. Definitely interested in building this...  ;)
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: LaceSensor on September 07, 2016, 03:10:59 PM
Looks amazing
I think Im game - save me a set once the kinks are ironed out
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Addy Bart on September 07, 2016, 09:58:32 PM
Wow! You deserve a medal Alan  :)
Title: Re: Heavy Water Two
Post by: Clark GriswoId on September 14, 2016, 11:55:14 PM
Very cool. Do you have a drill template to go with the board?

If so, im interested.