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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: madbean on October 19, 2016, 11:37:21 PM

Title: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 19, 2016, 11:37:21 PM
This is something I just started so I can't recommend it yet, but it does look promising. Someone may have tried this before but I don't recall seeing it.

Leather dye on a bare, unfinished enclosure. This is just red. But, dye colors can be mixed! Took less than 10 minutes. More on this soon.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: BrianS on October 20, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Are you planning to put a clear coat on it? It does look pretty cool and 10 minutes to do it is fabulous.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: nzCdog on October 20, 2016, 01:30:32 AM
This is awesome!  Be interesting to hear more about this, spraypaint is a pain
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: pickdropper on October 20, 2016, 02:46:10 AM
I wonder how laser etching would work with that
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Post by: galaxiex on October 20, 2016, 03:08:44 AM
Looks very cool!  8)

Great idea, thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 20, 2016, 03:34:14 PM
So it is not fully drying. Kind of not surprising since there is probably little absorption into the metal so it sits on top. Trying a hair dryer to speed it up. It may require a clear coat to seal. More soon!
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: juansolo on October 20, 2016, 07:01:18 PM
Cure it with FIRE!


Doubt it'll work, but it'd be awesome if it did...


Fire makes everything more awesome.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: davent on October 20, 2016, 11:46:43 PM
Quote from: juansolo on October 20, 2016, 07:01:18 PM
Cure it with FIRE!


Doubt it'll work, but it'd be awesome if it did...


Fire makes everything more awesome.

I tried fire to relic some Tayda stompswtich nuts like i've always done with other stainless parts ...

(http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc305/davent/IMG_6865_zpsd175b9c6.jpg)

To be fair Alpha nuts responded the same way. Now I use gun metal bluing to age stompswitch nuts. Jack nuts- fire.

dave
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 20, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
I applied some envirotex. It changed the color a bit but also made it pop quite a bit more. But, because the dye never fully dried the sides ended up running off some of the color. So, it's not quite what I was hoping for but does look pretty cool.

I did not do any sanding or cleaning of the enclosure beforehand and that might have made a difference actually. Allow the dye to absorb more into the metal. Probably a spray clear coat would not run like the envirotex. We'll see how it looks in a couple of days after it is fully cured.

Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: mjg on October 21, 2016, 12:14:41 AM
That looks beautiful - almost like it has a caramelised sugar glaze on top! 

I'm hungry now.   :P

It does look awesome though.  I'm keen to see other colours. 
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 21, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
One nice thing - it takes almost no dye to do a coat...even several coats. I bet an 8oz. bottle would last for 30 boxes or more. I'm using Angus Leather Dye.
One bad thing - oh boy do you gotta wear gloves. This stuff will stain your skin like no one's business.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: wgc on October 21, 2016, 12:56:49 AM
That looks cool. Maybe it doesn't dry as much as absorb into the leather, and possibly react with some of the proteins. No idea really, just hypothe-phisizing.

But maybe a coat of shellac on the raw box before dye might give it something to sink into?
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 21, 2016, 02:07:34 PM
The shellac is a great idea, wgc. Thanks, I will try it next time.

I'm getting really impressed with this. The vibrancy of the color and texture coming through the dye is very pretty.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: pickdropper on October 21, 2016, 06:30:34 PM
Have you ever tried the leather dye on a light colored Rosewood fretboard?  Assuming you like dark fretboards, that is.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 21, 2016, 06:42:58 PM
Here's another approach- mix the dye directly into the Envirotex. This could work for etched enclosure, probably even flat painted ones for a color tint.

Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: wgc on October 22, 2016, 02:31:09 AM
So cool.  On my to do list!
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: alanp on October 22, 2016, 07:49:10 PM
Clear decals with black labelling on the enclosure before dyed envirotex would look very good, I think, font-dependent :)
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 23, 2016, 01:38:30 AM
Finished product on the first enclosure. It's a Chunk Chunk!
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 24, 2016, 02:48:14 PM
Here's the other one finished off. I put a Bear Hug in it. Since I had an extra hole drilled, I had to come up with another control. First I tried a variable resistor off the source of Q1 (a 5kB in series with a 1k2 resistor instead of the 2k7) for a gain control. Then I tried a 10uF in parallel with a 2k7. Neither of those did much for me. So, I put a 22uF switched in parallel with C9. This seems to change the release time to about infinite (and makes the initial attack just a bit more pronounced it seems). Kind of a ridiculous mod but it's something.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: mrclean77 on October 24, 2016, 03:38:30 PM
The added "pop" you mentioned more than makes up for the slight change in shade/color, IMO. Mixing the dye in w/the E-tex ---- now that's CHEATING!  ;D 8)

They both look great & I hope somebody will throw that on top of an etched box for us all to oogle at.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: madbean on October 24, 2016, 04:06:12 PM
With the dye mixed in the sides of the enclosure come out a bit weird. You get more of a tint rather than a solid color and the dye tends to collect around the bottom leaving a ring of color. Not much that can be done about that, I think.

I've got a couple other ideas on how to do the application with tinted envirotex so I'll update this thread if I make more progress.
Title: Re: New finish technique
Post by: Ralfg on October 24, 2016, 06:18:37 PM
Thanks for sharing this technique. I really want to try this. I'm really digging the final results. I've been getting into etching lately and filling in the tech with black paint to make it pop.  I wonder if the dye could go over that? Or do you think the dye would cover the paint?