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Projects => General Questions => Topic started by: pryonisys on March 13, 2017, 02:26:30 AM

Title: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: pryonisys on March 13, 2017, 02:26:30 AM
Hey everyone, I am making a pedal that is very much like the JHS Double Barrel, 2 drive pedals in one enclosure, but I would like to be able to use a switch to select which pedal is first in the chain.  I have seen some diagrams where people are using 3PDT foot switches and are able to achieve this using a 3PDT on/on switch and I'm willing to do one of those, but my preference would be to use 2PDT foot switches (with a Millennium bypass, I would like to use the board mounted layout from effectslayouts http://effectslayouts.blogspot.com/2015/06/millenium-2-bypass.html)
So to ask my question in a condensed fashion, is it possible to use a switch to determine effect order when using the millennium bypass instead of using 3PDT foot switches?  Is there a different schematic for that or anything of that sort?
Sorry if this is a terribly newbish question, and thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: AntKnee on March 13, 2017, 03:30:47 AM
I'm not as experienced as some, but I don't think it's possible with a 2pdt, ar least not without an accompanied switching circuit. That would probably be more parts and labor than it is worth. The simplest route is to use a 3pdt. Is there some reason you don't want to?
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: pryonisys on March 13, 2017, 10:30:51 AM
In general curiosity, I've got the 3PDT switches and I'm willing to use them, I just like that the 2PDT switches are a softer touch.
Having a "quieter" switch would be nice, but like I said, I'm completely fine with using the 3PDT if they are what work.  I figured if anywhere  would have people who knew how to do this or if it was doable it would be this forum.
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: sturgeo on March 13, 2017, 11:35:11 AM
If you prefer the feel of the DPDT you can use one side of it to drive a DPDT relay, the other side and the relay combined then effectively make a 3PDT.
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: Aleph Null on March 13, 2017, 05:56:15 PM
You'll need a 3PDT for order switch...and a 4PDT if you want and LED indicator as well. There may be other options for relay swtiching, but I can't speak to those.

I put an order switch in a tremolo/reverb. It looks like this:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1516/26319121735_7a7fa9c4f1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G6JnWX)
If you would like a wiring diagram, I can make you one.
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: pryonisys on March 13, 2017, 08:17:03 PM
Quote from: Aleph Null on March 13, 2017, 05:56:15 PM
You'll need a 3PDT for order switch...and a 4PDT if you want and LED indicator as well. There may be other options for relay swtiching, but I can't speak to those.

I put an order switch in a tremolo/reverb. It looks like this:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/2/1516/26319121735_7a7fa9c4f1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/G6JnWX)
If you would like a wiring diagram, I can make you one.

If you could give a wiring diagram that would be fantastic!  Thank you!
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: nocentelli on March 13, 2017, 09:02:50 PM
http://www.geofex.com/article_folders/juggler/juggler.htm

The link runs through how to get an order switcher/juggler.

You need a minimum of three SPDT switches working simultaneously to alter the signal path, and a fourth if you want LED indication of what order it is set to (not absolutely necessary if you are using a toggle switch, since the position of the bat show you, but pretty much essential if using a footswitch). Perfectly possible with a soft click DPDT footswitch driving relays, or electronic logic switching.
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: Aleph Null on March 13, 2017, 09:20:23 PM
Here's a quick and dirty diagram.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3740/33296863861_1722205d44.jpg)
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: BrianS on March 13, 2017, 11:36:48 PM
Have you seen these?

http://www.guitarpcb.com/apps/webstore/products/show/4337258

http://www.guitarpcb.com/apps/webstore/products/show/4611320
Title: Re: Multiple Drive Pedals in One Enclosure Change Order
Post by: pryonisys on March 14, 2017, 02:51:21 AM
Thank you guys so much, you're the best.

Quote from: BrianS on March 13, 2017, 11:36:48 PM
Have you seen these?

http://www.guitarpcb.com/apps/webstore/products/show/4337258

http://www.guitarpcb.com/apps/webstore/products/show/4611320
That would be fantastic if I planned on doing more of these, I will have to keep those in mind.