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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: madbean on August 23, 2011, 12:16:19 AM

Title: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 23, 2011, 12:16:19 AM
Some 1590A projects may coming up. So far I've got a mini Tube Screamer and a mini "Quadrovibe lite" worked out. Any other particular desires for tiny little pedal projects?
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jimmybjj on August 23, 2011, 12:42:31 AM
awesome!!! any types of modulation.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: k.rock! on August 23, 2011, 12:45:23 AM
Nice! modulation would be really cool...how about a mini echo pedal? :P I would really say mini everything haha That would be a sick pedalboard...mini comp, mini drive, mini delay...all I would need is a mini tuner!


-Kaleb
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jkokura on August 23, 2011, 12:47:47 AM
Little angel chorus?

I think the muff Fuzz is a good candidate too...

Jacob
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jtn191 on August 23, 2011, 12:52:31 AM
+1 for a muff fuzz, little Rat (mouse?), other flavors of OD and Dist, fuzz...

here's a little trem http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=87322.0

and a thread to get ideas  ;)  http://www.diystompboxes.com/smfforum/index.php?topic=64752.300

Would delay even be possible? There's the LP Echo Baby which is probably mostly smd
...Mini klon-alike?

Hey how about mini wah circuits/modules (a la Systech Harmonic Energizer) that can be operated using an expression pedal?
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: CRBMoA on August 23, 2011, 01:30:15 AM
An Orange Squeezer type comp would be nice.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: TheCobbenator on August 23, 2011, 01:45:49 AM
Oh yeah! I Love little stuff. I'm amidst building like 20 projects, including a couple of Jimmy's layout for a 1590a comp. Also trying to cram a serendipity, neutrino, and woolly mammoth into a 1590a.

I would like a tiny delay or chorus as well. Maybe a reverb???

the quadrovibe lite sounds great too!!!
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jimmybjj on August 23, 2011, 02:03:40 AM
i gonna say delay as well.   ;D
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 23, 2011, 02:10:28 AM
Okay, I'll work on the delay next. Reverb is out of the question unless maybe it was an FV-1 which would mean some SMD.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jimmybjj on August 23, 2011, 02:14:26 AM
Quote from: madbean on August 23, 2011, 02:10:28 AM
Okay, I'll work on the delay next. Reverb is out of the question unless maybe it was an FV-1 which would mean some SMD.

Great!!! To be honest, I would be really interested in a project with some SMD. Just to see if i could  ;D
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: slimtriggers on August 23, 2011, 02:30:35 AM
I'm definitely interested in the mini Tube Screamer, as long as it's through hole.  I know I don't have the skills for SMD :-[ 

At some point I want to try jimmybjj's OS and Fuzz layouts-great stuff!

A mini Wolfshirt would be cool, too!
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: Haberdasher on August 23, 2011, 02:36:57 AM
opto comp or limiter?
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: cjkbug on August 24, 2011, 05:44:58 AM
how about some kind of envelope filter deal.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: night-B on August 24, 2011, 08:42:51 AM
An auto wah like the snow white would be awesome!
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 24, 2011, 10:14:32 AM
Delay design is more or less finished. I've tacked on a one knob modulation but I will need to breadboard that and see if it works how I want.

So, we have compressor, chorus and envelope filter suggestions. Lemme look into those next.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 24, 2011, 02:52:20 PM
Okay, so I've decided we should do an entire series of these. I'm think at least one project from every category of effect- compression, delay, boost, fuzz, overdrive, distortion, modulation, filter, buffer. I'm also thinking about drawing up plans for making your own custom multi-effect unit with them. So, say plans for putting 7 or 8 of these in a 1590DD enclosure (or you could put them in their own 1590As). Maybe include a custom power unit with a small transformer to power the whole thing, etc.etc. This could be a killer addition to the projects list.

Here are my initial ideas.
Compression - some type of optical compressor,
Delay - PT2399 with modulation,
Boost - probably the FatPants (re-designed board),
Fuzz - NPN Fuzz Face,
Overdrive - not sure yet, although the Tube Screamer would be one. Maybe one other.
Distortion - maybe the Muff Fuzz. How about both the transistor and IC versions on one board? Or maybe the IC Big Muff instead?
Modulation - a tremolo and something else. A vibrato or phaser, I guess
Filter - I'm really tempted with the SWAW, but I'll have to think about it. What other kinds of filters would be desirable?
Buffer - got plans on this one already.

Any feedback?
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: irmcdermott on August 24, 2011, 03:04:38 PM
I think this sounds pretty killer! Excited to see what comes of these!
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Post by: mjcyates on August 24, 2011, 03:09:11 PM
Great idea! For distortion I would rather see something along the lines of the Barber Dirty Bomb or Suhr Riot. Not clones but something similar.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jimmybjj on August 24, 2011, 03:22:02 PM
I think the multieffects idea is great. Probably getting a little to involved but maybe some type of modular system, so we can change effects.

I'm really looking forward to a Phaser. It's something that isn't currently in your current lineup so I think it would probably do well.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: Ettore_M on August 24, 2011, 04:05:45 PM
An entire series of mini pedals?  :o  That's a great idea!
I can't wait for its completion!  ;D
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: thetrend77 on August 24, 2011, 04:36:14 PM
 /drooooooool  :o
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: Haberdasher on August 24, 2011, 05:03:37 PM
amen on the swaw
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jkokura on August 24, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
Modulation - Chorus! Trem and chorus would be cool. All the methods for Phase I know of would be very difficult to make fit. The methods for Vibe would be possible though.

Jacob
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: greyscales on August 24, 2011, 06:06:30 PM
I would love to see some 1590A action. I've been looking for something to try out, and a delay, phaser, buffer, or boost would be perfect.

Maybe a booster with switchable treble, mid, and full boost. That's just me, though.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 24, 2011, 07:01:22 PM
Quote from: jkokura on August 24, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
Modulation - Chorus! Trem and chorus would be cool. All the methods for Phase I know of would be very difficult to make fit. The methods for Vibe would be possible though.

Jacob

Anything OTA is probably out of the question, unless it was something to emulate the Phase 45. I don't think you could fit more than one 13700 in a 1590A (which also requires a dual for I/O and another dual for LFO).

Then again...I will probably try anyway.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: redbean on August 24, 2011, 10:27:17 PM
I'd REALLY like to build a compressor/limiter and an envelope filter.

The compressor/limiter is something I need ASAP before any other type of pedal. The envelope filter is something I need to get on the bus to Funkytown.  ;D

Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: eldanko on August 24, 2011, 11:12:48 PM
When I was at the Amp Expo in Nashville this past weekend, I saw a board in the Cusack Effects room that piqued my interest.  He had several effects built into 1590A boxes, but none of them had stomp switches on them; they were permanently engaged, and the boxes were all routed through one of his Pedalboard Tamer bypass loopers.  So... for guys who run a looper on their board, that might open up a few more possibilities for what you can fit into a box. 

If I'm not mistaken, he had actually crammed some version of a Tap-A-Delay into a 1590LB, which was pretty impressive to say the least.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: jkokura on August 24, 2011, 11:15:27 PM
At that rate, you may as well build the effects right into an enclosure like the one that houses the pedalboard tamer. All those little enclosures are expensive...

Jacob
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: eldanko on August 24, 2011, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: jkokura on August 24, 2011, 11:15:27 PM
At that rate, you may as well build the effects right into an enclosure like the one that houses the pedalboard tamer. All those little enclosures are expensive...

Jacob

Agreed... unless you're the obsessive-compulsive type that likes to swap pedals in and out of order...

...like people who build their own pedals probably do...   :)

...or I'm the only one.   :-\
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: T_MBaker on August 25, 2011, 12:32:08 AM
This is a crazy cool idea!!!
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: petesz on August 25, 2011, 12:39:59 AM
Quote from: eldanko on August 24, 2011, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: jkokura on August 24, 2011, 11:15:27 PM
At that rate, you may as well build the effects right into an enclosure like the one that houses the pedalboard tamer. All those little enclosures are expensive...

Jacob

Agreed... unless you're the obsessive-compulsive type that likes to swap pedals in and out of order...

...like people who build their own pedals probably do...   :)

...or I'm the only one.   :-\

I was thinking.. you could build the little effects into say a 1590DD but include in and out jacks for every effect then use patch leads to swap the order of effects around. I reckon that'd be pretty kewl.

As for distortion i reckon the IC Big Muff or as someone else said if its possible to do like a simplified Riot..
Mini modulation would be rad.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: eldanko on August 26, 2011, 02:00:54 PM
Hey MB -

It finally hit me what I'd like to see... a tiny EQ.  Just a little 3-band or something that can be thrown after drives, etc.  I think that'd be incredibly useful.  Just a thought!
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 26, 2011, 03:06:55 PM
Quote from: eldanko on August 26, 2011, 02:00:54 PM
Hey MB -

It finally hit me what I'd like to see... a tiny EQ.  Just a little 3-band or something that can be thrown after drives, etc.  I think that'd be incredibly useful.  Just a thought!

That's a really good idea. I will add that to the list.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: raulduke on August 26, 2011, 04:30:23 PM
This tiny pedal range sounds well cool.

People (including madbean) have mentioned making a 'modular' kind of effects system where you can mix and swap out effects easily.

I have a preliminary idea for this that might be pretty cool.... bear with me:

This would be the switching box for the system:

-> A row of 3PDT footswitches (say 4) are connected up together in a box just like a chain of effects in series. These 3PDT can have status LED's etc (like normal 3PDT wiring).

So the chain would be: In Jack -> F/Switch 1 -> F/Switch 2 -> F/Switch 3 -> etc -> Out Jack

-> A power supply that can easily provide power for the required number of pedals is also in this box with the footswitches.

-> FX In, FX Out, 9V and Gnd connections are taken from each of the 3PDT's and the PSU and wired up to to 5-Way DIN Connectors (available widely and cheaply as they are used for MIDI) for each 3PDT footswitch.


These would be the effects modules:

-> 1590A enclosures are used to house the FX circuits (modules).

-> External connections on the 1590A will be the FX controls (potentiometers, switches etc.) and a 5 Way DIN connector. No power connector, input/output jacks or 3PDT footswitch is necessary.

-> These 1590A modules can then be easily plugged in to the effects chain by connecting the module to the required 3PDT on the switching box.

-> The modules would be cheaper to build (no 3PDT, Jacks etc.) than standard pedals, plus there would be more room for more advanced circuitry without the footswitch, jacks etc.


This is just an idea I had but I see no reason why it would not work. Noise may be an issue but I think 5 core screened cable for the module/switching box interconnects would probably be ok.

Please let me know if you think this is an ok idea or totally stupid ha ha!
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: cjkbug on August 26, 2011, 05:09:35 PM
Quote from: madbean on August 24, 2011, 02:52:20 PMWhat other kinds of filters would be desirable?


Any feedback?

maybe a fixed position wah.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 26, 2011, 05:35:33 PM
raulduke - that's pretty spot on to one application I was considering. The key factor here is that they will be designed in such a way so that you can choose how to configure them to suit your needs. The simplest would be one effect in one 1590A. Next would be a few in a 1590BB or 1590D. And a full on modular system would be similar to what you are describing. Obviously you can do this with the existing MB boards, but the main benefit is the small form factor of these newer designs.

I've also got some other ideas on how to handle the I/O part, too. If you take out the power, switch and I/O of building suddenly it opens up a lot more possibility. The one cable/DIN connector is definitely a plus and I will be sure to look into that. Also, this will tie into a new kind-of "master controller" project I've been working on.

You guys can expect a lot more on this soon. I'm fully committing some time and resources to making this modular approach an option.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: raulduke on August 26, 2011, 06:01:34 PM
Brilliant news madbean. Im glad to hear that you have the same kind of thing in mind.

Builds would certainly be a lot cheaper for us guys without 3PDT's etc. being thrown in every build.

And how many of us actually use all our builds at the same time anyway?

I think I might just go ahead and have a go with the DIN connector idea just as a proof of concept.

It should be relatively simple.
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: aziltz on August 26, 2011, 06:03:50 PM
please name the "master controller" project, "MASTER EXPLODER"
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 26, 2011, 06:10:03 PM
Quote from: aziltz on August 26, 2011, 06:03:50 PM
please name the "master controller" project, "MASTER EXPLODER"

Done!
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: Haberdasher on August 26, 2011, 06:26:56 PM
please name the swaw, "GHETTO BOOTY"
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: k.rock! on August 26, 2011, 06:47:17 PM
Quote from: Haberdasher on August 26, 2011, 06:26:56 PM
please name the swaw, "GHETTO BOOTY"

lol! nice...
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: madbean on August 26, 2011, 06:50:20 PM
I'm for sure naming the Fuzz Face "stubble" and the Rat "runt".
Title: Re: Who wants to get tiny?
Post by: bigmufffuzzwizz on August 26, 2011, 11:08:46 PM
I love the mini board series idea!! That would be super sick if you do a SWAW in a 1590a...