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Title: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 26, 2017, 11:38:14 PM
Hey there I'm in need of some expertise, built a Rullywow Queen of Bone Pedal, two actually, and they both have a serious pop issue, more than that when engaged they cause other pedals in the chain to pop. There are 1M pull down resistors already I've tried an additional 100k and then 2.2m resistor from output to ground with no luck. Any help greatly appreciated, I'm stumped  :P
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: Ralfg on April 27, 2017, 12:33:38 AM
Do the pedals work? Could be a bad ground connection on the switch. I've had that happen, sometimes the pedal would work, sometimes it would die out, always made a huge pop. Maybe try reflowing the switch. Do you have any pictures?
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 12:45:47 AM
Hi yes they work fine just get a brutal pop, tried reflowing the switch unfortunately no improvement. Thanks for the reply.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: Ralfg on April 27, 2017, 12:56:33 AM
Output to ground I don't think will work that would just make the pedal quieter. I think we need pictures of the inside.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: davent on April 27, 2017, 01:01:40 AM
Measure to see if there's DC voltage on the output and input.

dave
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AntKnee on April 27, 2017, 01:20:54 AM
Quote from: davent on April 27, 2017, 01:01:40 AM
Measure to see if there's DC voltage on the output and input.

dave

Yeah, this.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 02:28:57 AM
Thanks everyone for you help, here's a pic
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 02:32:03 AM
And yes it looks like I've got about .45 volts on the output, how do I fix that?
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: Ralfg on April 27, 2017, 02:49:16 AM
This may be wrong but the circuit uses a charge pump which looks like you are missing from your picture and just have a socket. I don't know what that would do. I would guess it wouldn't work. But maybe it does? I looked at the instructions and there isn't really a 9 volt option, which, from what I have seen would have a jumper to bypass the charge pump. Any reason why it's not there?
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 02:51:15 AM
It's not there on this one, do have it on the other I built, without it the pedal just runs at 9v, the issue is def the .45 v on the output, just need to know how to remedy
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: Ralfg on April 27, 2017, 02:58:50 AM
Cool, only thing I could think is a solder bridge somewhere.  But I'll bow out and leave it to the experts here.  Good luck, I hope you figure it out.  I built the older version and its tons of fun to play.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 03:04:39 AM
Thanks very much for your help, really appreciate it
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AntKnee on April 27, 2017, 03:27:45 AM
You have the same problem on both pedals? If so, you may have used an incorrect value component on both. Or bad electro caps.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AntKnee on April 27, 2017, 03:32:02 AM
Did you use the same charge pump to test both pedals? If so, it could be a bad pump or incorrect part.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 02:04:13 PM
Hi, thanks for the reply, same issue on both pedals, double checked component values and all look correct, I get the pop with and without the charge pump, any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: midwayfair on April 27, 2017, 02:20:39 PM
Replace the output cap with a film cap to rule out a leaking electrolytic. If you still have DC, start looking for a short. I can't think of another place in that pedal where you would have .45V so it's most likely capacitor leakage.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
Thanks very much will give it a go
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on April 27, 2017, 08:28:11 PM
Ok tried the film cap and sure enough pop is gone, does that mean it was the output cap that was leaking so that's the one to replace, sorry might be a dumb question but I've built a bunch of pedals and never run into this, also really weird to have it on two separate builds of the same pedal. Thanks again for your help this was driving me nuts.
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AntKnee on April 28, 2017, 04:01:18 AM
It is improbable for it to happen to both builds, but not impossible. Any chance you overheated them during installation?
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AntKnee on April 28, 2017, 04:05:05 AM
Oh, and yes, you'll want to replace those output caps. If it were me, I'd test them or at least make sure they were not from the same batch. I doubt you'd have three leaky caps, but you've already had two, so...
Title: Re: Help, I'm stumped
Post by: AJPennypacker on May 30, 2017, 10:23:22 PM
Thanks very much, turns out I had a bunch of leaky caps, I'm wondering at 1uF with a cap that has max voltage of 50 or 100v if the tolerance allowed is just too much for this kind of circuit. Either that or I have some super cheap-ass caps.......