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Title: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: Jopn on August 15, 2017, 08:07:19 PM
I just got a cello with a pickup, and my guitar and bass pedalboards have been in disarray for at least a year now. So I'm building a simple grab n go board with tuner/comp/dirt/delay.

What would you guys suggest for a good dirt pedal that does medium OD -> medium distortion that can double duty both on guitar and bass? My guitar amp is solid state (but in my defense, it's the Johnny Greenwood Fender 85) so nothing that's tone relies heavily on overdriving the amp's preamp (klon, TS, etc.). The input signal will also be buffered, if that makes a difference (it shouldn't as I'm not getting into fuzzface territory!).

So... thoughts?
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: matmosphere on August 15, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
Not sure exactly what would fit the bill but I totally want to here how a cello sounds with a violet rams head Muff now.  ;D
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: Jopn on August 15, 2017, 08:19:23 PM
Quote from: Matmosphere on August 15, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
Not sure exactly what would fit the bill but I totally want to here how a cello sounds with a violet rams head Muff now.  ;D

Ok yes, that does sound awesome. Maybe I'll build my dirt pedal in a 1590bb and slip a fuzz into there too ;)
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: somnif on August 15, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
For a mix of OD and distortion,  there are waaaaaay too many options for a quick answer. But for playing well across several instruments,  I'd wager simpler is better, perhaps something like the DOD250/MXR Distortion+
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: jimilee on August 15, 2017, 08:24:51 PM
Green Russian, big bass overdrive, or Buick bass overdrive. Also, a unicorn tears klon are my favs for bass. You could throw a switch for the input cap if you wanted to have it be switchable for bass or guitar.


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Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: Jopn on August 15, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
Ohhh, I like the suggestion of a Dist+! I could quickly breadboard that and mess with the values and components until I'm happy.

And putting in switches for input/output caps is definitely on the radar!
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: BrianS on August 15, 2017, 09:37:21 PM
Bugg (a member on here) might still have some Thermionic boards (BEOD) and it's a great distortion pedal.
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: somnif on August 15, 2017, 11:25:56 PM
One thing to note about the DOD250/Dist+ is that the gain knob is also essentially a tone control, such that at low gain you have a more bassy response, and high gain a more trebly one.

This means it can be a bit fiddly with some instruments at some settings. My LP loves the little dirtbox, but it gets a bit shrill with my tele, for example. This can usually be rectified by playing with your amp's settings a bit, and isn't a deal killer of course, but you may want to be aware of it.

An alternative could be to use a circuit with some built in EQ function. The Marshall Guv'nor/Drivemaster is a place I could suggest looking, goes from a nice barely-warm OD sound, to a fairly high gain distortion sound.(The Shredmaster is also in the same family, but tends to run a bit hotter and has a more aggressive clipping stage so it doesn't cleanup quite as well. Alternatively the Bluesbreaker is also part of this group but is quite low gain and really works best when doubled-up ala King of Tone style).

Given the differing characters between a guitar, a bass, and a cello I'd say having a bit of extra control can't hurt. I'm personally fond of Aion's Drivemaster board (the Equinox) as I like shoving ridiculous numbers of knobs in 1590B sized enclosures
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: matmosphere on August 15, 2017, 11:37:28 PM
i agree the drivemaster would be a good place to start.
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: Jopn on August 16, 2017, 12:26:01 AM
Ah, good call on the EQ section! See... I knew you guys were smart, despite what the other forums say ;)

Holy smokes Aion Electronics has exploded since I've browsed there last! I bought a few boards from him when he first launched with 5(?) projects. I'll probably put in an order for a few with him now too!
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: cajone5 on August 16, 2017, 11:42:58 AM
DAM Ezekiel?
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: midwayfair on August 16, 2017, 01:36:54 PM
If I had to split the difference between a bass and a guitar for medium distortion, I'd probably use the slow Loris. Z

I mostly prefer amp emulators but those aren't usually good for both instruments.
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: Droogie on August 16, 2017, 02:49:00 PM
Have you checked out the BYOC Crown Jewel? Very versatile with a parametric midrange, clipping options and selectable boost modules. I built one on vero w/out boost and it's fantastic.

No affiliation on my part with BYOC, btw, IYKWIM.
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: NFX on August 16, 2017, 05:27:57 PM
ic muff, mad professor blue delay, dyna comp
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: culturejam on August 16, 2017, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: Matmosphere on August 15, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
Not sure exactly what would fit the bill but I totally want to here how a cello sounds with a violet rams head Muff now.  ;D

Maybe it sounds like a Violin Ram's Head??  ;D
Title: Re: One dirt pedal to rule them all? Guitar/Bass/Cello
Post by: Jopn on August 17, 2017, 03:21:05 AM
Quote from: culturejam on August 16, 2017, 05:46:10 PM
Quote from: Matmosphere on August 15, 2017, 08:12:10 PM
Not sure exactly what would fit the bill but I totally want to here how a cello sounds with a violet rams head Muff now.  ;D

Maybe it sounds like a Violin Ram's Head??  ;D

Thread closed.  Culturejam wins.

I did pick up a rat board as well,  and have an IC Muff in the pipeline, so those will be tested for the spot as well.  I'm really looking forward to the drivemaster though.  I think the 3 band eq will help immensely.

Thanks folks!