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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: Philtre on March 09, 2018, 09:21:19 AM

Title: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: Philtre on March 09, 2018, 09:21:19 AM
Now that I'm OK with using Envirotex Lite on an enclosure I want to try my hand at printing on transparent adhesive paper (like this https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adhesive-Microporous-Waterproof-Sticker-PPD-36-20/dp/B000W4H63S/). But I'd like some opinions on inkjet printers and ink:

Will the ink fade over time? Or is it protected in the Envirotex?
What's the best printer and ink to use? Epson? Canon? HP?

Any tips welcome!
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: TNblueshawk on March 09, 2018, 07:08:31 PM
I can only comment on the ink but it doesn't fade one iota. After 80+ pedals with Envirotex the images are as sharp as ever. I can also say damn, that ink is expensive  :P
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: Aleph Null on March 09, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
I haven't had any issues with fading yet. I don't imagine you would unless your pedals spend most of their time on a festival stage or near an window. Keep in mind most inkjet decals or stickers will require the use of a fixative before you do a clear coat.
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: Philtre on March 09, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Aleph Null on March 09, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
...Keep in mind most inkjet decals or stickers will require the use of a fixative before you do a clear coat.

But not needed for Envirotex?
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: jimilee on March 09, 2018, 07:41:46 PM
Before I switched to a laser perimeter, I used just a regular inkjet printer, clear coated with rattle can clear, dropped the water slide in water and applied to the enclosure no problem. I found an rosin  laser printer for around 100 at staples.


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Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: TNblueshawk on March 09, 2018, 08:28:16 PM
Quote from: Philtre on March 09, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Aleph Null on March 09, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
...Keep in mind most inkjet decals or stickers will require the use of a fixative before you do a clear coat.

But not needed for Envirotex?

Right, not needed. Once you place that decal on there, which is an art form unto itself especially with clear water slides, and it dries, that sucker isn't going anywhere and it will not move when pouring the Tex' on there.

I should add that you can get a product that sort of coats the top of the pedal as you apply the decal. It allows you to move the decal into position easily. For white backed I really don't need it. For clear ones it comes in handy. The down side is that is moves TOO easily at times when I'm trying to get the bubbles out of the decal.
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: EBK on March 09, 2018, 08:43:12 PM
 Wait!

You need a fixative before you soak that decal in water to apply it, don't you?!

Thought we were talking about waterslide decals for a minute there.  I believe we are talking about sticker paper instead.
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: Philtre on March 09, 2018, 08:44:57 PM
The decals I intend to use are not water based - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004BF8X2W/ref=psdc_13987041_t2_B000W4H63S
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: TNblueshawk on March 09, 2018, 08:55:04 PM
Gotcha. I don't have experience with stickers. I know that you have to clear coat the water slide before pouring the tex but I don't know about stickers.
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: Aleph Null on March 12, 2018, 06:10:14 PM
Quote from: Philtre on March 09, 2018, 07:26:47 PM
Quote from: Aleph Null on March 09, 2018, 07:16:36 PM
...Keep in mind most inkjet decals or stickers will require the use of a fixative before you do a clear coat.

But not needed for Envirotex?

Sorry. Not trying to sow confusion. Some clear coats would require the use of a fixative. It depends on the inkjet ink and the clear coat being employed. Anything acrylic based should cause issues.
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: stringsthings on March 13, 2018, 01:41:23 AM
Question for inkjet owners?

Many years back, I bought an HP inkjet printer and I didn't like it all because the ink cartridges would always  dry up way too fast.
It cost a fortune to replace the ink.  And this was years and years ago.  So, have things improved in this area?  Do ink cartridges still dry up?
Or do they make better ink that doesn't dry up, so you get your money's worth?
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: mjg on March 13, 2018, 06:02:27 AM
I've not had an issue with the ink drying up.  That's with the branded Epson ink, and 'compatible' 3rd party stuff.

It's still expensive though.  And doesn't last long if you're printing 'photo' quality. 
Title: Re: Advice needed on inkjet printer and ink for pedal artwork
Post by: TNblueshawk on March 13, 2018, 12:18:14 PM
Quote from: mjg on March 13, 2018, 06:02:27 AM
I've not had an issue with the ink drying up.  That's with the branded Epson ink, and 'compatible' 3rd party stuff.

It's still expensive though.  And doesn't last long if you're printing 'photo' quality.

Agreed. I've never had one dry up. I just used it up pretty fast. Like mjg says, if you want to print quality then it will really use it up. I tried a few "less" quality but it wasn't as sharp which bugged me.