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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 07:03:42 AM

Title: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 07:03:42 AM
I'm building the Giant Hogweed fuzz circuit. R19 and R20 are both 10M ohm. I'm wondering why the value is so high and could I use 4.7M ohm instead?

(http://www.davidrolo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/GiantHogweedSchematic_zps445f5a36.png)
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Scruffie on June 09, 2018, 08:51:46 AM
Should be fine I'd think, sets the input impedance of T3 and forms a filter with C9.
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: EBRAddict on June 09, 2018, 12:07:01 PM
It's fine. It's just setting a bias point or reference voltage. The extra 450nA isn't going to hurt anything or cause your power bill to skyrocket.
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 12:08:13 PM
OK, thanks. But why does it use such a high value?
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: EBRAddict on June 09, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Copied from some random web site about MOSFET amplifiers, the second part is most applicable here:

"it is desirable to make the values of these two resistors as large as possible to reduce their I2R power loss and increase the mosfet amplifiers input resistance."
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 09:07:41 PM
Quote from: EBRAddict on June 09, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Copied from some random web site about MOSFET amplifiers, the second part is most applicable here:

"it is desirable to make the values of these two resistors as large as possible to reduce their I2R power loss and increase the mosfet amplifiers input resistance."

Interesting, thanks for that! Wonder what "large as possible" means? 10, 20, 30 M ohm?
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Adam_DIY on June 09, 2018, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 09:07:41 PM
Quote from: EBRAddict on June 09, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Copied from some random web site about MOSFET amplifiers, the second part is most applicable here:

"it is desirable to make the values of these two resistors as large as possible to reduce their I2R power loss and increase the mosfet amplifiers input resistance."

Interesting, thanks for that! Wonder what "large as possible" means? 10, 20, 30 M ohm?

10 Billion Ohms

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg/200px-Drevil_million_dollars.jpg)
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: Adam_MD on June 09, 2018, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 09:07:41 PM
Quote from: EBRAddict on June 09, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Copied from some random web site about MOSFET amplifiers, the second part is most applicable here:

"it is desirable to make the values of these two resistors as large as possible to reduce their I2R power loss and increase the mosfet amplifiers input resistance."

Interesting, thanks for that! Wonder what "large as possible" means? 10, 20, 30 M ohm?

10 Billion Ohms

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg/200px-Drevil_million_dollars.jpg)

LOL!  :D
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: reddesert on June 09, 2018, 10:43:13 PM
10 Mohms is about the largest value you are likely to find in a resistor assortment bag or commonly stocked in small web stores, although large distributors may have larger values.

If you want to build the circuit as intended, just teepee two 4.7M resistors together in series for each 10M resistor. I do this frequently to approximate oddball values.
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: somnif on June 10, 2018, 01:03:35 AM
Quote from: Adam_MD on June 09, 2018, 09:11:33 PM
Quote from: Philtre on June 09, 2018, 09:07:41 PM
Quote from: EBRAddict on June 09, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
Copied from some random web site about MOSFET amplifiers, the second part is most applicable here:

"it is desirable to make the values of these two resistors as large as possible to reduce their I2R power loss and increase the mosfet amplifiers input resistance."

Interesting, thanks for that! Wonder what "large as possible" means? 10, 20, 30 M ohm?

10 Billion Ohms

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/16/Drevil_million_dollars.jpg/200px-Drevil_million_dollars.jpg)

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Ohmite/MOX1125231008F?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtlubZbdhIBIJUr%2fIAV1Mb2feZPNMSd1M0%3d

Easy enough, bit pricey, but readily available.  ;D
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Philtre on June 10, 2018, 04:17:50 AM
Thanks, all.

Tayda have 10M ohm 1% in stock. I'll get a couple on my next order.
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Adam_DIY on June 10, 2018, 09:03:01 AM
Quote from: somnif on June 10, 2018, 01:03:35 AM

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Ohmite/MOX1125231008F?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtlubZbdhIBIJUr%2fIAV1Mb2feZPNMSd1M0%3d

Easy enough, bit pricey, but readily available.  ;D

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/ed/72/b3ed72adc22d17154397143e53842e13.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: somnif on June 10, 2018, 09:12:37 AM
Quote from: Adam_MD on June 10, 2018, 09:03:01 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/ed/72/b3ed72adc22d17154397143e53842e13.jpg)

;D

We could even go for 10 TRILLION ohms!

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Ohmite/UM050E100BKE?qs=16s%2f1Hm5%252bncGdj%2fHS8ziZA%3d%3d

Pretty sure a straight up air gap would have lower resistance than that.....
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: Adam_DIY on June 10, 2018, 11:44:02 AM
Lol that's it I'm done now. 
Title: Re: 10M ohm resistors in this circuit. Why so high? Can I use 4.7M ohm instead?
Post by: somnif on June 10, 2018, 08:21:46 PM
I have absolutely no idea what a teraohm resistor would be used for.

BUT, I can guess it would probably be way overkill for setting the input impedance on a MOSFET.  ;D