Looks like Boss listen to the internet
https://www.boss.info/uk/products/dc-2w/
https://www.boss.info/uk/products/mt-2w/
The latter will keep the memes rolling, surely.
I am actually very keen to get the DC-2w assuming the price isnt horrific...
Quote from: LaceSensor on October 04, 2018, 07:43:37 AM
I am actually very keen to get the DC-2w assuming the price isnt horrific...
I would have been eager to climb on that bandwagon (sharing your price concerns), but I just finished a Blueshift not too long ago. Hard to justify now without major alterations to the circuit, and I think that would be an exercise in missing the point for such a beloved circuit.
I'm ashamed to admit I'm mildly interested in their MT-2 as well. I always liked the idea of the metal zone--the 3 band EQ with parametric midrange is just such a sensible way to make a distortion pedal. It works pretty well on the shredmaster. But, of course, it sucks. It really, really sucks. Can they find a fix for that?
I suspect it'll depend on the person, and their inclinations, and also how plugged-in they are.
If they are a diy-freak, like me, then they will always prefer to pick up a hot, cheap pencil iron and melt tin/lead alloy to get what they want.
If they are plug-n-play, and don't know this Dimension C nonsense from a hole in the wall, they will just get something else.
If they are plug-n-play, and do know what DimC is, they will be torn between "accurate" DIY copies, and the Boss re-issue (which will always carry something of a stigmata of, just HOW accurate is it?)
Wow. Boss really takes some shots at the DIY community with their wording: "The genuine BOSS and Roland Dimension effect is back"..."the DC-2W is the only pedal available that delivers the classic Dimension experience with complete sonic authenticity."
So Boss has sourced some original Panasonic MN3007s for this? (highly unlikely, if they did, they would be gloating about it all over that page...featuring original BBD technology!). As we already know, the clones made by the DIY community are actually more accurate to the original than their digital recreations.
I really wish they would do without the giant, gaudy, lable right smak dab in the middle of the footswitch. It's a huge turn off for me.
Quote"The genuine BOSS and Roland Dimension effect is back"
Probably a dig at Behringer.
Quote from: Aentons on October 04, 2018, 03:16:28 PM
I really wish they would do without the giant, gaudy, lable right smak dab in the middle of the footswitch. It's a huge turn off for me.
Always makes me want to shout aloud WAZZZAAAAA! I have a friend with that nickname ;D
Quote from: lars on October 04, 2018, 02:52:19 PM
Wow. Boss really takes some shots at the DIY community with their wording: "The genuine BOSS and Roland Dimension effect is back"..."the DC-2W is the only pedal available that delivers the classic Dimension experience with complete sonic authenticity."
So Boss has sourced some original Panasonic MN3007s for this? (highly unlikely, if they did, they would be gloating about it all over that page...featuring original BBD technology!). As we already know, the clones made by the DIY community are actually more accurate to the original than their digital recreations.
DC-2 used Mn3207.
Anyway, I saw one listed at AM for $230. "No sir, I don't like it."
Yep, $230
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-dc-2w-dimension-c-waza-craft-guitar-effects-pedal?rNtt=waza&index=8
Can you select multiple switches on the Behringer? If not, I'd say they definitely took a look at the DIY version. That seems to be a big section of their marketing.
TC Electronic also recently released a DC-2 clone through their budget line, though its more of a DC-1/2 since its mono rather than stereo.
Quote from: ahiddentableau on October 04, 2018, 07:59:36 AM
Quote from: LaceSensor on October 04, 2018, 07:43:37 AM
I am actually very keen to get the DC-2w assuming the price isnt horrific...
I would have been eager to climb on that bandwagon (sharing your price concerns), but I just finished a Blueshift not too long ago. Hard to justify now without major alterations to the circuit, and I think that would be an exercise in missing the point for such a beloved circuit.
I'm ashamed to admit I'm mildly interested in their MT-2 as well. I always liked the idea of the metal zone--the 3 band EQ with parametric midrange is just such a sensible way to make a distortion pedal. It works pretty well on the shredmaster. But, of course, it sucks. It really, really sucks. Can they find a fix for that?
its got stereo in and out, thats what I am keen on...
Quote from: Bio77 on October 04, 2018, 05:56:45 PM
Yep, $230
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-dc-2w-dimension-c-waza-craft-guitar-effects-pedal?rNtt=waza&index=8
Can you select multiple switches on the Behringer? If not, I'd say they definitely took a look at the DIY version. That seems to be a big section of their marketing.
you can select 2 at a time with the new Waza DC-2w
Quote from: Bio77 on October 04, 2018, 05:56:45 PM
Yep, $230
https://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/boss-dc-2w-dimension-c-waza-craft-guitar-effects-pedal?rNtt=waza&index=8
Can you select multiple switches on the Behringer? If not, I'd say they definitely took a look at the DIY version. That seems to be a big section of their marketing.
You can select any combination of the switches on the Behringer. From all 4 at once to none, which is kind of a secret 5th setting.
Quote from: peterc on October 04, 2018, 04:26:29 PM
Quote"The genuine BOSS and Roland Dimension effect is back"
Probably a dig at Behringer.
That is how I read it, too. As much as I would like to think that the people at Roland are secretly shaking their fists at anonymous solder jockeys like us, I somehow just can't believe it.
But I want to believe it!
Quote from: Aentons on October 04, 2018, 03:16:28 PM
I really wish they would do without the giant, gaudy, lable right smak dab in the middle of the footswitch. It's a huge turn off for me.
100%, this is enough to stop me from buying one, it just looks bad. the pedal on the other hand seems great, though for the price would probably rather build the aion version.
Still trying to work out who wants a metal zone in the first place, let alone a Waza version.
The mt2 is like their 2nd best selling pedal. Mostly going to high schoolers thinking the name means instant metal godhood, presumably.
Funny enough, one of my favorite youtube guitarists put out a vid on the MT-2 (non-waza) just a few weeks ago. He gives the thing an attempt at a fair trial.
(Still sounds like every 15 year old metalhead rocking a 15W crate amp to me, but that EQ section is still a thing to be respected, if only from a technical standpoint)
Quote from: somnif on October 05, 2018, 02:25:12 AM
The mt2 is like their 2nd best selling pedal. Mostly going to high schoolers thinking the name means instant metal godhood, presumably.
Hey, somnif, where'd you find a source on that? I would like to look over a sales list for their line, see what people are really buying.
Quote from: ahiddentableau on October 05, 2018, 01:24:21 PM
Hey, somnif, where'd you find a source on that? I would like to look over a sales list for their line, see what people are really buying.
It's in the Boss marketing verbage from the link at the beginning of the post. DS-1 is first. I wouldn't be surprised if the BD-2 is third.
"For over 25 years, the MT-2 Metal Zone has been one of the most popular and influential compact pedals in the BOSS lineup, with overall sales that are second only to the venerable DS-1 Distortion."
Quote from: Aentons on October 05, 2018, 04:10:29 PM
Quote from: ahiddentableau on October 05, 2018, 01:24:21 PM
Hey, somnif, where'd you find a source on that? I would like to look over a sales list for their line, see what people are really buying.
It's in the Boss marketing verbage from the link at the beginning of the post. DS-1 is first. I wouldn't be surprised if the BD-2 is third.
"For over 25 years, the MT-2 Metal Zone has been one of the most popular and influential compact pedals in the BOSS lineup, with overall sales that are second only to the venerable DS-1 Distortion."
Serves me right for not reading the marketing print. Thank you. Though I'd still love to see a full list of sales figures.
Quote from: ahiddentableau on October 05, 2018, 11:22:46 PM
Serves me right for not reading the marketing print. Thank you. Though I'd still love to see a full list of sales figures.
Yeah It was mostly hearsay and marketing that I pulled the "2nd best seller" figure from. That and empirical data of how many I see in the used pile at my local shops.
It appears Boss doesn't actually publish sales figures though, annoyingly (though not surprisingly).
Quote from: somnif on October 05, 2018, 11:29:46 PM
Quote from: ahiddentableau on October 05, 2018, 11:22:46 PM
Serves me right for not reading the marketing print. Thank you. Though I'd still love to see a full list of sales figures.
Yeah It was mostly hearsay and marketing that I pulled the "2nd best seller" figure from. That and empirical data of how many I see in the used pile at my local shops.
It appears Boss doesn't actually publish sales figures though, annoyingly (though not surprisingly).
Yeah, those are exactly the lines on which I was thinking--I couldn't believe that Roland would give away trade information that was of obvious commercial value. Frankly I'm still a bit surprised they revealed as much as they did. If you had asked me which Boss pedals were the best sellers, I never would have picked the MT-2 in second place. Aentons suggested the Blues Driver, and I think that would have been my guess, too. Blues Driver or SD-1.
Does this suggest anything? Is Roland just messing with us, or is there a huge untapped market out there for high gain distortion? I think I'm still skeptical.
I really think it is a huge market of entry level players, same as the DS-1 (which will always be #1 because of its price).
The pedal has a marketable name, "curb appeal" to new players who want to "shred", its relatively cheap (compared to many pedals), and so on.
I knew 4 dudes with MT-2s in high school. 2 ibanez players, a BC rich player, and a Jackson player. All with cheapo under-20W solid state practice amps, who desperately wanted to play metal riffs without the need for practice or proper tools. The mindset is an effects pedal is all you need to replicate THAT tone.
Of course, it all sounded like crap, but if folks are having fun who cares. Boss certainly doesn't seem to mind the pedal has become a meme for lousy sound.
Quote from: somnif on October 06, 2018, 12:30:35 AM
I really think it is a huge market of entry level players, same as the DS-1 (which will always be #1 because of its price).
The pedal has a marketable name, "curb appeal" to new players who want to "shred", its relatively cheap (compared to many pedals), and so on.
I knew 4 dudes with MT-2s in high school. 2 ibanez players, a BC rich player, and a Jackson player. All with cheapo under-20W solid state practice amps, who desperately wanted to play metal riffs without the need for practice or proper tools. The mindset is an effects pedal is all you need to replicate THAT tone.
Of course, it all sounded like crap, but if folks are having fun who cares. Boss certainly doesn't seem to mind the pedal has become a meme for lousy sound.
I agree with you about any market coming from entry level players, although I came to my conclusion a bit differently. I thought about when I first picked up the instrument and how I felt and what I wanted. Mainly I wanted distortion. I think my (admittedly fuzzy 15 year-old) logic went something like this: in the music I was listening to all the guitar sounds were distorted, right? How do they do that? Oh, pedals? That makes sense! And I can get a pedal! Awesome! So, my birthday comes and I have a bit of money so off I go to the music store. I sit haplessly in front of that demo board, baffled by my options. So I just start stomping through the lot. And of course I'm playing through some cheap 15W solid state amp with the volume on 1.5, so my impression of each pedal is incredibly misleading. I distinctly remember thinking that the tube screamer was the worst pedal in the universe. Blues driver? Sounds like wimpy mush! But the Metal Zone? Hey! That sounds like distortion! It's so heavy! So much gain! And the EQ knobs actually offer some control!
When I was 15 I bought an OS-2 this way, but I could just have easily picked the metal zone. I think that's what sucks a lot of new players in. Context matters, and a lot of the pedals that really do sound good only really sound good when they're used properly/at stage levels. But on your crappy 15W crate, the metal zone probably has something going for it.