Hi everyone. It's been a while since I posted. Been building lots of "off the map stuff" using vero layouts and what not. I find the whole vero and perf thing very interesting and challenging. Really helps me dive into a project and understand it alor more that working on pcbs that usually turn out with no probs. The debugging thing is a big pain in the ass but is teaching me alot. On to the point of this post. I've been searching for projects using the cd4049ube and came up with a fair amount of info all though most of it is from 2001-2009 runoffgroove stuff. I attempted to breadboard the double d and that didn't come out so well. It's very cluttered with the pins so close. I also found the 3 legged dog that sounds a little more my style according to the sound clips. But I also saw several post about this circuit not sounding like it did in the ROG sound clips. I'm looking for some metal tones. I have not found anything that beats the Dr. Boogie and that's kind of my mission. Just wanting some new sounds. Have I found mostly every thing availale or is there somthing I'm looking over? Any fans of the 3 legged hound dawg? Thanks for the advice in advance. Yall are very dependable.
I'm building a Christine fuzz from musicpcb.com using cd4049ube.
If you are after metal tone I recommend the okko dominator, the toneczar openhaus or the wampler triple wreck who is my favorite of the 3. These need big boards, lots of parts and if they don't work on first shot they will give a headache while debugging. But these are really HIGH gain monsters. Check on YouTube ;)
I actually have a half built etched openhaus. Haven't gotten around to ordering the ge transistors. Do you know if they are pnp? Or if not can I jerry rig it so I can use pnp?
The mysterioso uses a 4049. Very unique sounding overdrive. With higher boost settings it gets into fuzz territory, great for sustaining leads and lower gain overdrive sounds. I am about to box mine up.
Quote from: 9Lives on May 10, 2012, 04:01:55 PM
I actually have a half built etched openhaus. Haven't gotten around to ordering the ge transistors. Do you know if they are pnp? Or if not can I jerry rig it so I can use pnp?
they are npn, 2n1306, I built that beast, really hard to find, gotta order at least a few to check for proper HFe.
opnehaus has a more fuzzy sound (uses a fuzz face circuit inside, the ICs are op amp wrappers) and the triple wreck i guess would be more modern sounding.
I'm so close on that build I might as well finish it. Is there any other trannys that are more available to sub in? Will opa2134 work instead of 2604?
maybe you can check what other Germaniums fit the bill (i guess any npn that fits a fuzz-face ?)
but the lnds you can't replace.
the ics i think you can, cause they both accept up to 18v, and i think the 2134a is just a better version of that 2604
I highly suggest tweaking your runoffgroove Double D to perfection. I built one for myself and it really like the chunky channel, it's a nice rich buzz-saw crunch. I don't use overdrives much so the low-gain channel gets less use, but it's still a pretty nice mid-gain overdrive, good as a boost.
also, i haven't tried it, but the 22/7 by ROG looks promising.
i just got a Way Huge Fat Sandwich and that has one in, sounds killer.
do you get any heavy tones out of your double D?
Quote from: LaceSensor on May 11, 2012, 02:52:11 PM
i just got a Way Huge Fat Sandwich and that has one in, sounds killer.
That pedal has always intrigued me. Never played one, but the demos sound neat. Be great if someone traced it ... wink wink
Quote from: 9Lives on May 12, 2012, 02:14:07 AM
do you get any heavy tones out of your double D?
I would say so, the circuit doesn't cut bass very much (if at all), is very saturated and has no mid scoop like a muff does. It's very rich sounding.
Nobody has mentioned the Snarkdoodle/Tubesound Fuzz/Red Llama yet? It sounds great, but is a bit LOUD!! (sorry for repeating myself :D) BTW: when I look at the data sheet for the 4049, it seems you could build at least two Snarkdoodles with one IC, so maybe a two-channel version is something to try out?
Paul
Quote from: DutchMF on May 12, 2012, 05:33:42 PM
when I look at the data sheet for the 4049, it seems you could build at least two Snarkdoodles with one IC, so maybe a two-channel version is something to try out?
That's essential the idea behind the Double D. It uses one channel with 2 inverters, and the other channel uses 3 inverters.
my 2c would go for the ehx Hottubes.
Similar to the red llama/tube sound fuzz, only more fuzzy / abrasive / chainsaw-like ;D
probably not very metal, but lots of fun. some really nasty tones at full gain, and a decent overdrive / boost at lower gain...
http://gaussmarkov.net/wordpress/circuits/hot-tubes-clone/
well, thanks for all the feed back. Maybe if I ask a question in a different direction I can get some feed back instead of starying a new thread. My mission is to build a new super hi gain build that beats the Dr. Boogie. And I gotta say. Brians version of EVERYthing seems better than any other type of projects I've buld. And I'm averaging 4 pedals a week. Brian if your reading this "props" to you! Your stuff is great man, I really enjoy building your designs and they come out the most versitile and best sounding w very few mods that I find useless. I've been building vero's at sabrotone and some turn out good. I just attempted a okko dominator clone and I'm very disappointed. Not sure if my build was quite right. I B. Boarded some of these 4049 designs and I ant get what I'm looking for out of it. I've got a ton of O.D.s I've build but I seem to have a hard time tracking down quality "chugga chugga" type stuff. Killswitch engage type of sound. Brians chunk chunk is spot on but I can't play a pedal for too long w/o changing. I've done rats, ocds, transistor, jfet and opamp circuits. I just can't find anything else. What's somthing I can try. Just to explain my level of building I just completed successful philosopher's tone vero. Thanks
Quote from: 9Lives on May 14, 2012, 10:25:52 PM
I've got a ton of O.D.s I've build but I seem to have a hard time tracking down quality "chugga chugga" type stuff. Killswitch engage type of sound.
If you're looking for a KSE-type sound, you might want to try using an overdrive in front of your main distortion pedal, with the volume maxed and the gain low. That is how they get their mega crunch, but with a high-gain amp instead of the distortion pedal.
Paul
I don't listen to much KSE, but a mate who is GOOD at the chugga chugga thing found that running the La Vache into the Boogey worked bloody well.
I heard that one of the 4049 circuits sound quite Monster Magnet fuzz ish, might have to make one up 8)
I just finished my first 4049.. a Red Lama. If La Vache acts anything like a RL then I can attest that placing a brighter pedal in front gives some great additional dynamics to play with. not the chugga your looking for with a RL but things to try with the builds you have.
Do you have an eq in your pedal chain? I'm usually able to dial in the sound I want sometimes even with pedals/amps that don't normally have the sound like what I'm going after.
I too am in search of more designs around the 4049 so I've been watching this thread quite a bit.
Good topic.
in the extra projects thread there is a stone grey distortion I think uses the 406? Can't remember the exact name. Might be cool. I actually have a snarkdoodle I didn't finish. I think I built it to the hybrid specs. I currently do use my maxon od808 clone into my boogie. What does the llama sound like? Is it actually a fuzz? I really wanna make my own circuit.. I just don't know where to start w/o copying.. That would do no good.