I don't play modulation effects that often but when I do, I prefer phasers ;D
Just curious what you guys have built out there in a phaser (besides the smoothie/phase 45). I have a smoothie and actually love it but just want a "stronger" phase 90 type as well. I have a matched quad set of transistors and parts to build a Vero MXR phase 90 but wondering if there is anything out there I would be better spending my time on?
I know 4ms has the Phaser Fluer that seams cool but all the whacky sounds I don't have much use for, so not sure. What else is out there worth building?
Thanks as always for your suggestions
You could take a look at Frequency Central's Causality 4 MKII phaser, that one is completely OTA based, i have 2 in the work, just missing one type of IC to complete them.
But if you step up to Causality 6, wich is a 6 stage phaser, 4 stages being OTA and the 2 others are JFET. And i think there's a daughter board you can add, to push it to 8 stages....
Also, i just got my Maestro Phaser from Brian, best sounding phaser i've played yet and i played a good bunch of them.....maybe there's a layout out there, i dunno but it certainly worth it.
Rej
The "Swirl" mode on the Runoff Groove Tri-Vibe is a really nice phaser that's a little more subtle and controlable. It's OTA based so no FET matching, though it's not an easy build on perf by any means. There's an etch image by John Lyons on the site. Plus you get two other really good modes out of it, a true vibrato and the Whirl mode, which is one of the best modulation effects I've ever heard.
I know this is backward (more subtle) from what you asked for, but it's an option. :)
And obviously LaceSensor's recent work is bound to be of interest to you.
THanks for the recs so far. I will be looking into these options.
I am not familiar with Lacesensor's recent work? Could you clue me in?
Quote from: pryde on August 28, 2012, 03:49:00 AM
THanks for the recs so far. I will be looking into these options.
I am not familiar with Lacesensor's recent work? Could you clue me in?
This thing: http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=5742.0
Rawr.
The ROSS. Tons of tone and mods to keep you busy for weeks. Mine's got 5 knobs and 3 toggles.
the ross is great. I built a 14 stage version. fairly easy build and the ota" are 85 cents each at sbe.
Quote from: asatbluesboy on August 28, 2012, 03:53:26 PM
The ROSS. Tons of tone and mods to keep you busy for weeks. Mine's got 5 knobs and 3 toggles.
The tonepad one?
Ross phaser looks like a good possibility. Thanks for the recommendation.
I found this demo which pretty much is exactly what I would like:
Jeez I just stumbled across Bean's Stage Fright project :o
As mich time as I spend here you think I would have more of a clue about such things ::)
Maybe I will sit tight and see what comes of this project, sounds like it will fit the bill if released. It looks like the "deluxe" version will have way more whistles than I need but hopefully a trimmed-down version will be available, similar to what's in the video above. I am really liking the sound of that demo.
Man, that Ross clone sounds amazing, even on the most extreme settings. If the Stage Fright is anything like this, I'll be all over that.
I have not made the Ross on, but the tonepad version looks pretty cool.
how about a 24 phase shifter... just need to figure out how to get that all in a stompbox!
Did you take a look at the Dr. Phybes from guitarpcb? I am about done with it but have not fired it up. 3 switches and 1 knob ;D
Quote from: TNblueshawk on August 30, 2012, 04:23:27 PM
Did you take a look at the Dr. Phybes from guitarpcb? I am about done with it but have not fired it up. 3 switches and 1 knob ;D
I'm about to get started on this same project. Demos sounded great to me.
Quote from: TNblueshawk on August 30, 2012, 04:23:27 PM
Did you take a look at the Dr. Phybes from guitarpcb? I am about done with it but have not fired it up. 3 switches and 1 knob ;D
I have looked at it a bit. Let us know how it sounds when done. Very interested.
It may be another week as I will be out of pocket Labor Day. I could have fired it up tomorrow but for not having a 250k trimmer :( Got a few dudes helping me out but alas it won't be here in time.
I decided to do 2 of the mods Tonman suggested in there just for kicks.
I'm also doing a customer build on the BYOC Phase Royal but I'm having an issue with that one so I don't know how it sounds yet. Have to troubleshoot to find whatever dumb mistake I made.
I'm holding out for the stage fright myself. 8)
Quote from: Haberdasher on August 31, 2012, 06:38:29 PM
I'm holding out for the stage fright myself. 8)
+1!
I'm also pretty excited about building Lace's doppelganger, and last night I mostly finished a smoothie, just need to pick up a few final components. Still, my fave is the reissue script phase90 I bought just before I got into building.
Quote from: angrykoko on August 28, 2012, 07:00:27 PM
Quote from: asatbluesboy on August 28, 2012, 03:53:26 PM
The ROSS. Tons of tone and mods to keep you busy for weeks. Mine's got 5 knobs and 3 toggles.
The tonepad one?
Actually, I was given a black ROSS (not clone) as part of a bulk pedal buy from a friend who said it wasn't working. Fired it up and it worked the first time. Modding fun time! I still want to try the Small Stone caps for all stages, though. Even when set to subtle it's still very deep.
Edit: I've RE'd it and it's the same circuit as the Tonepad one.
Guys, is anyone offering a fabbed pcb of the Ross phaser?
Quote from: Cortexturizer on February 26, 2015, 07:58:39 PM
Guys, is anyone offering a fabbed pcb of the Ross phaser?
Maybe tonepad (smallbear) :)
no...unfortunately they do not offer the ross
I am currently working on my Final Project/Master Thesis' Report and have the next two weeks occuppied, but after that I could give the Ross Phaser a try in Eagle and share it on Oshpark.
I had a couple of overdrives in the works, but a phaser seems like a lot more fun!
But I am pretty sure the Ross Phaser is in tonepad's page:
http://www.tonepad.com/tonepadshoppingcart.html
http://www.tonepad.com/project.asp?id=25
it's strange that nobody is offering this one...and whenever a new company shows up and steps into the game they think it's a very good idea to do a tube screamer layout...or eleven other classic ODs. I really can't understand that
Quote from: Cortexturizer on February 26, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
it's strange that nobody is offering this one...and whenever a new company shows up and steps into the game they think it's a very good idea to do a tube screamer layout...or eleven other classic ODs. I really can't understand that
Wow old thread revived. From this original thread I did end up building a Ross phaser from tonepad. It STILL is my favorite phaser to date. I highly recommend the width mod as well. Really adds another dimension to the options. Here is the build report and demo of mine:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=8862.msg77028#msg77028
I'd like the ross phaser with extra stages on PCB, that'd be cool.
Hmm there are a lot of mods that can be included, but the layout would have to be designed for a 1590BB.
Quote from: pryde on February 26, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
Quote from: Cortexturizer on February 26, 2015, 09:02:59 PM
it's strange that nobody is offering this one...and whenever a new company shows up and steps into the game they think it's a very good idea to do a tube screamer layout...or eleven other classic ODs. I really can't understand that
Wow old thread revived. From this original thread I did end up building a Ross phaser from tonepad. It STILL is my favorite phaser to date. I highly recommend the width mod as well. Really adds another dimension to the options. Here is the build report and demo of mine:
http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=8862.msg77028#msg77028
What mod did you ended using for the width pot, Pryde? I saw a thread on diystompboxes were you asked Mark some pretty useful questions related to modifying the Ropez.
tonepad ross it is. I'll get down to etching
(awesome sound on your pryde)
tell me, from the way you can recall, does it stop the phase on the lower frequencies? this is a problem that's pronounced with the nano small stones, and it is definitely there with the space harp (which I love, obviously). my V2 small stone doesn't do that and it makes for a world of difference.
Reviewing all my notes on the phaser project...
I used a 500kB pot with 180k resistor in series for the width control. I found it more pronounced and useful than the 50k/3k3 combo.
To Marko, to my ears the width/depth control does just that, it "thins" the lower frequencies so that there is (or is not) a pronounced warble/whoosh in that part of the sweep depending on how you set the control.
It is one of the things that bothers me about the phase 45/90 etc. that you can't dial out. The modded Ross can give you more control over that.
Another thing is to replace the 15k resistor straped to IC1 pins 6 and 7 with a higher value to increase unity volume. I used a 27k but you may want to socket this one.
I have a lot of notes and scribbles so glad to help if I can
Thank you for taking the trouble Pryde, your demo sounds awesome (I dig the "Zeppelinesque" sounds you get out of it).
I don't know what's about phasers, but the sound give me chills :).
It was the phasery sound John Paul Jones gets in No Quarter what got me interested in effect pedals for the first time.
Sure, that makes sense about the width but I think it probably just affects the higher frequencies, or at least from your clip it seemed so. I don't unserstanf what you said about the phase4590 , you can't dial out the movement in the sweep of the low freqs? That's what I love about them :D
We might be talking about different things though. What I refer to is almost always heard on slower speeds - I don't want the phase to...sort of stop, if you know what I mean. What you probably think about phase4590 is the inability to dial out the high freqs on higher speeds, right?
Quote from: Cortexturizer on February 27, 2015, 12:06:21 AM
Sure, that makes sense about the width but I think it probably just affects the higher frequencies, or at least from your clip it seemed so. I don't unserstanf what you said about the phase4590 , you can't dial out the movement in the sweep of the low freqs? That's what I love about them :D
We might be talking about different things though. What I refer to is almost always heard on slower speeds - I don't want the phase to...sort of stop, if you know what I mean. What you probably think about phase4590 is the inability to dial out the high freqs on higher speeds, right?
My friend we may indeed be talking about different things. or perceptions of the same thing ;D
What I was referring to is that low-end warble/thud that seams pronounced on the jfet phasers to me. Although I admit most of the time I am poor about explaining the noise I hear :)
When I have the width pot full CW (lean) the phase becomes less abrupt and more "swirly". Its like the the frequency is either climbing or descending with no "hard" turn-around point.
When its full CCW (wide) there is a deeper phase that can get more with more pronounced on/off feel (like a sine-wave tremolo or univibe feel) at the turn-around point in the sweep.
Hope that makes some sort of sense. I do know that it is a really versatile and beautiful sounding phaser. I can't see how someone wouldn't be happy with it really.
With regards to the OP, I'm not sure it's safe for me to think on this!
Let's see... in no particular order:
2 - Smoothie
4/5 - Stage Fright
8/4 - Prophecysound Infinitphase
6 - PS-1A
4 - Doppelganger 1.4
4 - Doppelganger 2.1
6 - Nu-tron Phasor ][
20 (!) - Tau Pipe Phaser
Subjectively, stages for filtering, the best sounding ones are the optical ones. Of those, the toss-up is between the Infinitphase and the Doppelganger.
Infinitphase Pro's
- Single LFO, but insane LFO. Tweaker's paradise.
- SEQUENCER! Very tweakable!
- EIGHT or four stages -- very, very liquid on 8
- Intimidatingly big
Cons
- Needs 15VAC, not common
- Annoyingly big
- You can spend ages getting "that sound" if you're not careful
- Complete pig of a build, Wile E level
Doppelganger Pro's
- Dual LFO! Yay! You can get a kind of "beating", with this
- Slow and Square switches -- not as tweakable as Infinitphase
- More on the Dirtbag Genius level of building, but still quite do-able
- Lush, vibey sounds can be had!
- Runs on bog standard 9V DC
Cons
- Not as liquid as the Infinitphase, PS-1A, or Tau Pipe
- Version 1.4 had issues for some (2.1 is issue-free :) )
- Not as wee as the Smoothie (still a damn sight smaller than the Tau and Infinitphase though)