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General => Open Discussion => Topic started by: ch1naski on February 04, 2013, 05:41:42 AM

Title: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: ch1naski on February 04, 2013, 05:41:42 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/02/04/y2e6e2az.jpg)

These look pretty darn cool. Anyone know where to get them? At a reasonable retail price?

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Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 04, 2013, 05:30:03 PM
I am all over every thing lighted, but I have never seen those before. Where did the pic come from? The only lighted toggles I have seen were at led-switch.com,  but the are kind of wonky (only good as a on/ off switch for 12v effects). Would've very interested in more info on these
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: 2tonewarrior on February 04, 2013, 08:48:39 PM
Try here (http://stores.ebay.es/PARTSPIPE) or any other electronic related chinese ebay store.

I´ve seen some lighted switches looking around but not that ones, but you can try.

Here´s an example http://www.ebay.es/itm/8-CAR-BOAT-Fog-Light-Strobe-illuminated-SWITCH-B07D-/300724918628
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 04, 2013, 09:02:17 PM
I think the big problem is that all of these switches that I am seeing are essentially useless in effects pedals. The reason being is that they all assume that the only thing they will be switching is a 12V DC supply line, which they require to power the LED or lamp in the switch.  So generally you will have 3 lugs, one for the incoming power line, one to ground for the LED/Lamp, and one for the outgoing power line. So there is really no way to use them to do stuff like clipping diode switching, or any audio signal switching, and still get the LED to light up.
Title: Re: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: ch1naski on February 05, 2013, 05:16:01 AM
Most switches have voltage requirements that don't suit us. I'm looking for this web site, I  could swear I saw that you could specify voltage on them when ordering......I was tipsy on wine and didn't bookmark it....dammit

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Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 05, 2013, 08:38:32 PM
Ya, that pic is the only one I have seen of lighted toggles with more than one pole, so would be very interested in finding where the pic came from or where the toggles are sold.
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: trickpony on February 05, 2013, 09:13:10 PM
Well, unless they have tiny watch batteries inside them, I would say the light effect has been photoshopped in.
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 05, 2013, 09:28:49 PM
Oh ya, the ones in that pic are photoshopped for sure, but lighted toggles are definitely out there.  The thing is all the ones I have actually found work as in the pic I attached here.  What we need is a switch that allows you to supply independent power and ground for the led or lamp inside.
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: hammerheadmusicman on February 05, 2013, 11:35:09 PM
why bother photoshopping them?!

they blatently have, but why!?
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 06, 2013, 12:01:42 AM
Dollars to donuts they took the photo then realised, "Crap these are the illuminated toggles".
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: 2tonewarrior on February 06, 2013, 12:03:38 AM
http://www.pddnet.com/product-releases/2006/10/illuminated-toggle-switches-12131

http://www.nkkswitches.com
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 06, 2013, 12:12:26 AM
Holy poop, YES, thank you 2tonewarrior!!  Now we just need to find someone who will order them in!!

http://www.nkkswitches.com/series.aspx?stid=13&id=5079 (http://www.nkkswitches.com/series.aspx?stid=13&id=5079)

Here is a tact switch that I found while looking:
http://www.e-switch.com/product/tabid/96/productid/16/sename/tl1290-series-right-angle-illuminated-tactile-switch/default.aspx (http://www.e-switch.com/product/tabid/96/productid/16/sename/tl1290-series-right-angle-illuminated-tactile-switch/default.aspx)
Title: Re: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: ch1naski on February 08, 2013, 03:57:52 PM
I knew they were out there....;D

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Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 27, 2013, 11:45:58 PM
Ok update based on my recent research.  NKK Switches makes 3 different kinds of lighted toggles, regular size, sub mini and ultra mini (there is a bunch of options for each) all with isolated LED circuits.  The ultra mini and sub mini are only available in SPDT, and the normal size is SPDT and DPDT.  There are a number of different LED colors and mounting styles, and they all seem to come in on - on, and on - off - on configurations, and have options for a single or bi-color LED (on - off - on only have bi color option).  Here are links to the datasheets for the three model types, including how the part numbers break down (important when ordering):
Large Size: http://www.nkkswitches.com/pdf/M2100.pdf (http://www.nkkswitches.com/pdf/M2100.pdf)
Sub Mini: http://www.nkkswitches.com/pdf/BIllumToggle.pdf (http://www.nkkswitches.com/pdf/BIllumToggle.pdf)
Ultra Mini: http://www.nkkswitches.com/pdf/gtogglesilluminated.pdf (http://www.nkkswitches.com/pdf/gtogglesilluminated.pdf)

The only place I have found so far to order these  is Allied Electronics http://www.alliedelec.com (http://www.alliedelec.com) (there must be others, I didnt actually do too much more searching once I found Allied).  The easiest thing I have found to locate the specific switches on the Allied site, is to use the data sheets from NKK and figure out what the first part of the part number is going to be and do a search for that.

Also, they ain't cheap!! About $5-7 each for the minis and $6-$9 for the larger ones.  I just put an order in for a couple (got at least one of each size) and will report back when they get here.
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 27, 2013, 11:52:06 PM
Gahhhh, just went to put in my order and they have 0 in stock on any of these, all on back order  >:(  Will email Allied to see when they will be in, if at all.

Update: Spoke to Allied on the phone, these switches are essentially a special order. I am going to put together an email with part numbers etc and she is going to give me a quote and lead time. 

Soooo I suppose if there are other brave souls out there who would like to try a few of these out let me know asap and I will tack some onto my order.
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 28, 2013, 03:10:06 AM
Probably can wait another couple of hours (say 10pm pst), if people are interested please PM me with the product numbers and quantities?? I will also need to get paypaled tonight as well. The Allied site gives an idea of price, and of course I will have to tack on the shipping costs.
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: cajone5 on February 28, 2013, 02:30:35 PM
I might bite the bullet -- gotta think of some builds they'd be good for.  i can think of at least one off the top of my head where i'd be able to use a lit DPDT on-on or on-off-on

Let me know when you'd need the info by.  Would be great to get a (slightly) discounted price for a group buy  :D
Title: Re: Re: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: ch1naski on February 28, 2013, 02:58:12 PM
Quote from: DuctTapeRiot on February 28, 2013, 03:10:06 AM
Probably can wait another couple of hours (say 10pm pst), if people are interested please PM me with the product numbers and quantities?? I will also need to get paypaled tonight as well. The Allied site gives an idea of price, and of course I will have to tack on the shipping costs.
Crap, I'm just now seeing this?
Dang, DTR, you really went to work on this!
Did you already order? I'll be happy to throw in for a few.

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Title: Re: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: ch1naski on February 28, 2013, 03:24:44 PM
Mouser has a few of these in stock, but they are gold terminal and not cheap.
For instance, dpdt large size, gold contact solder lug, sync led, is $13.
Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: DuctTapeRiot on February 28, 2013, 04:25:14 PM
My lazyness your gain!! Havent sent the email yet so cajone and ch1naski if you want someet me know asap with the exact model numbers.

Ch1naski, the synchronous led ones are not going to be much good for us, the isolated led ones are the ones we need.
Title: Re: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: ch1naski on March 01, 2013, 06:26:41 PM
Count me out. Just took my car to the shop, otherwise known as the cash vacuum. Goodbye, tax refund...:(

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Title: Re: Illuminated toggles!
Post by: cajone5 on March 01, 2013, 09:34:49 PM
Quote from: DuctTapeRiot on February 28, 2013, 04:25:14 PM
My lazyness your gain!! Havent sent the email yet so cajone and ch1naski if you want someet me know asap with the exact model numbers.

Ch1naski, the synchronous led ones are not going to be much good for us, the isolated led ones are the ones we need.

Sorry -- just saw this -- PM coming your way