i want to build a muff,but i don't know which one.i one that is high on gain,beefy but not too muddy either.i want to play stonerrock.i already have a germanium fuzzface but its not strong enough.one that ive built before and liked it with strat was the ggg tuned version.i dont want to go through ggg boards anymore,too much trouble.any suggestion?the kind of sound would be smaching pumpkins style meloncholy.any suggestion?
First suggestion would be to build a Violet Ram's Head, as that is a nice allround Fuzz. Socket the diodes and trannies and experiment some with those. Another idea would be to hit your FuzzFace with a booster. If you can get your hands on some different models, see what you like best. Might take some tweaking of the gain/volume of the fuzz and the boost control, but when you balance them right, you can get some really cool tones, just stack 'm up!
Paul
i already have a cherrybomb and a superhardon clone.they do not do the trick for what i want.that idea is nice for soloing.my idea is for riffing.i was thinking on the triangle but ill check the ramshead.goes without saying that opam version is not a option.i have some bc549c (i believe those r the ones i have) to build around.
Quote from: DutchMF on February 28, 2013, 09:18:06 PM
wFirst suggestion would be to build a Violet Ram's Head, as that is a nice allround Fuzz. Socket the diodes and trannies and experiment some with those. Another idea would be to hit your FuzzFace with a booster. If you can get your hands on some different models, see what you like best. Might take some tweaking of the gain/volume of the fuzz and the boost control, but when you balance them right, you can get some really cool tones, just stack 'm up!
Paul
Quote from: garfo on February 28, 2013, 09:01:43 PM
i want to build a muff,but i don't know which one.i one that is high on gain,beefy but not too muddy either.i want to play stonerrock.i already have a germanium fuzzface but its not strong enough.one that ive built before and liked it with strat was the ggg tuned version.i dont want to go through ggg boards anymore,too much trouble.any suggestion?the kind of sound would be smaching pumpkins style meloncholy.any suggestion?
Only one choice (well two, a real Skreddy ?Lady if you can find one). You will not get a thicker meaner muff that stays well defined.
Requires a little fettling to do on a MB as it has a mids pot. But it's easy enough (showing below).
(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/GYATM-i.jpg)
Details here:
http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html (http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html)
Has a BC109C in Q4. All obtainables in Q1-3. Socket them if you want to experiment as if you can get them, 2SC1327 are the bollocks. Put the highest gain ones in Q2 & 3 if you go with those. Leave the 109 in 4.
In the project, isn't that the Mayo version?
This one looks interesting as well.
Quote from: garfo on March 01, 2013, 12:11:37 PM
In the project, isn't that the Mayo version?
This one looks interesting as well.
The Mayo is a great all-around variant that has plenty of meat; however, I would build juansolo's ultrastoner as it seams to fit the bill for heavy-stoner riffage. JS has the ear for this so feel confident with his suggestions :)
im confusedd,didnt he suggest the scredy lady,or are they the same!?
I built a Russian and Ram's Head spec. They're different, but both very cool. Russian is a bit more aggresive, Ram's is a bit muddier/fuller, to my ears.
Thanks guys, will be going with the Superstoner.What is the value of the Mids pot?
Quote from: garfo on March 01, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
im confusedd,didnt he suggest the scredy lady,or are they the same!?
The ?lady is oop as it's made with unobtainable transistors (Skreddy stopped making it when he ran out). But it's in the spreadsheet if you want to build it (use the Ultrastoner alternatives). The US uses a couple of resistor changes to make the mid pot work nice, but otherwise it's a Lady with obtainable transistors.
Quote from: garfo on March 01, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
Thanks guys, will be going with the Superstoner.What is the value of the Mids pot?
B50K. There are a few notes on the build in the sheet (inc the pot) http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/Muffs.htm
If you look closely at the pic there's a resistor on the mid line and one on the centre tone line, again noted in the sheet.
cool man...thanks.Listen, I can't get those trannies you suggested for Q2 and 3, i'll use bc547C instead, anny suggestion for Q1 instead of 2n2088? I have some bc183's, would those do the trick, or better bc 109C?
Quote from: juansolo on March 02, 2013, 12:20:46 AM
Quote from: garfo on March 01, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
Thanks guys, will be going with the Superstoner.What is the value of the Mids pot?
B50K. There are a few notes on the build in the sheet (inc the pot) http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/Muffs.htm
Quote from: garfo on March 02, 2013, 12:23:07 AM
cool man...thanks.Listen, I can't get those trannies you suggested for Q2 and 3, i'll use bc547C instead, anny suggestion for Q1 instead of 2n2088? I have some bc183's, would those do the trick, or better bc 109C?Quote from: juansolo on March 02, 2013, 12:20:46 AM
Quote from: garfo on March 01, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
Thanks guys, will be going with the Superstoner.What is the value of the Mids pot?
B50K. There are a few notes on the build in the sheet (inc the pot) http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/Muffs.htm
Q1 is the lowest gain of the lot so suck it and see. Socket those three and try what you've got.
Nice, thanks man, I found that article today and I've checked for the components for the ultra stoner it sounds as a I like it.I will try my mods as well, perhaps 6.8 n instead of 5.6.Will experiment with different diodes.Yep, I noticed how everything is wired and I took note of the values already.Thanks man, a new fuzz is on the pan :)
Ei, back at the mudbunny, I can't put it to workR6, should it be 10 or 18k???
Quote from: juansolo on March 01, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
Quote from: garfo on February 28, 2013, 09:01:43 PM
i want to build a muff,but i don't know which one.i one that is high on gain,beefy but not too muddy either.i want to play stonerrock.i already have a germanium fuzzface but its not strong enough.one that ive built before and liked it with strat was the ggg tuned version.i dont want to go through ggg boards anymore,too much trouble.any suggestion?the kind of sound would be smaching pumpkins style meloncholy.any suggestion?
Only one choice (well two, a real Skreddy ?Lady if you can find one). You will not get a thicker meaner muff that stays well defined.
Requires a little fettling to do on a MB as it has a mids pot. But it's easy enough (showing below).
(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/GYATM-i.jpg)
Details here:
http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html (http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html)
Has a BC109C in Q4. All obtainables in Q1-3. Socket them if you want to experiment as if you can get them, 2SC1327 are the bollocks. Put the highest gain ones in Q2 & 3 if you go with those. Leave the 109 in 4.
Quote from: garfo on April 11, 2013, 05:27:57 PM
Ei, back at the mudbunny, I can't put it to workR6, should it be 10 or 18k???
18k for R6
black arts tone works pharaoh is built on ggg big muff board ( i read on the interweb so it must be true)
that might be mean sounding?
might be worth looking in to
R24 is to omit and place a jumper instead.But isn't c15 supposed to be ommited too and place a jumper?
Quote from: juansolo on March 01, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
Quote from: garfo on February 28, 2013, 09:01:43 PM
i want to build a muff,but i don't know which one.i one that is high on gain,beefy but not too muddy either.i want to play stonerrock.i already have a germanium fuzzface but its not strong enough.one that ive built before and liked it with strat was the ggg tuned version.i dont want to go through ggg boards anymore,too much trouble.any suggestion?the kind of sound would be smaching pumpkins style meloncholy.any suggestion?
Only one choice (well two, a real Skreddy ?Lady if you can find one). You will not get a thicker meaner muff that stays well defined.
Requires a little fettling to do on a MB as it has a mids pot. But it's easy enough (showing below).
(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/GYATM-i.jpg)
Details here:
http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html (http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html)
Has a BC109C in Q4. All obtainables in Q1-3. Socket them if you want to experiment as if you can get them, 2SC1327 are the bollocks. Put the highest gain ones in Q2 & 3 if you go with those. Leave the 109 in 4.
Also, where can I find those transistors 2sc1327???
Quote from: juansolo on March 01, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
Quote from: garfo on February 28, 2013, 09:01:43 PM
Requires a little fettling to do on a MB as it has a mids pot. But it's easy enough (showing below).
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This reminded me of this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIbM6c7DW_U
Quote from: garfo on April 19, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
Also, where can I find those transistors 2sc1327???
Got some from this blokey: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2SC1327-C1327-Transistors-x-6-PCS-/120687365161?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1c19870c29
They're 'T' so mid gain ones. But they still sound really good and are certainly cheap enough for a punt. We were going to buy a shedload from him, but he never got back to us. :( Can't be arsed to chase him about it.
Yeah, I saw those on ebay, the guy is selling them in the UK, I'll try to contact him and see what happens.
Thank you very much
Quote from: juansolo on April 19, 2013, 10:17:49 PM
Quote from: garfo on April 19, 2013, 07:37:55 PM
Also, where can I find those transistors 2sc1327???
Got some from this blokey: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2SC1327-C1327-Transistors-x-6-PCS-/120687365161?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item1c19870c29
They're 'T' so mid gain ones. But they still sound really good and are certainly cheap enough for a punt. We were going to buy a shedload from him, but he never got back to us. :( Can't be arsed to chase him about it.
I built a MB mayo (albeit modified) and a violet rams head (I think stock, but may have messed with the ceramic caps).
The mayo's mods were to get a diffused red and a clear red 5mm LED into D1 and D2 (one to rough it up a little, the other to smooth it out some, both to amp up the attack), up the ceramic values to taste (i think mine is at 560pf to add a little clarity/high end), and swap the transistors - all of them were 2n5088 except q4 I left bc550 (the bc550's were a little bass-y to me, but leaving one in allowed for the tone I like). The original Mayo's were designed to sound like siamese dream era pumpkins, so this will get you somewhere around there.
The violet ram's head I left stock (I may have upped those ceramics to 560pf, as well, but I'd have to look later) - it's definitely more of the classic muff sound. Doesn't get the same bottom as the mayo does, but has similar attack (I hope I'm using that word correctly) and great sound - while still smooth like a muff, it's not as smooth as my mayo, but not as muffled either. These are what will get you closer to the dinosaur jr. solo sound, or even a little white stripes-ish when the sustain is cranked.
I recommend either of them - just add the mids mod (a 20-25k pot to R18 (lugs 1 and 3) with a 4k7 resistor between lugs one and 2) and you're golden.
I'm bulding the superstoner, and I was looking to Juansolo gutshot and only then I realized it was not the same version ;P
All the gutshots are in high res on my site :)
Quote from: juansolo on April 26, 2013, 05:36:50 PM
All the gutshots are in high res on my site :)
I stumbled across them a few weeks back and have been meaning to thank you. You helped me under stand the Mid knob mod just by looking at your photos.
Thanks for sharing.
What transistors did you use in this build, I can only identify bc109.Well, I only ask because I want toknow their orientations, I will be using bc549 for Q1, 2sc... for Q2 and Q3 and bc109 for Q4.So, basically my question is, are the 2sc's orientated in the same way as the 549?
Quote from: juansolo on March 01, 2013, 10:07:12 AM
Quote from: garfo on February 28, 2013, 09:01:43 PM
i want to build a muff,but i don't know which one.i one that is high on gain,beefy but not too muddy either.i want to play stonerrock.i already have a germanium fuzzface but its not strong enough.one that ive built before and liked it with strat was the ggg tuned version.i dont want to go through ggg boards anymore,too much trouble.any suggestion?the kind of sound would be smaching pumpkins style meloncholy.any suggestion?
Only one choice (well two, a real Skreddy ?Lady if you can find one). You will not get a thicker meaner muff that stays well defined.
Requires a little fettling to do on a MB as it has a mids pot. But it's easy enough (showing below).
(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/GYATM-i.jpg)
Details here:
http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html (http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/muffbuild.html)
Has a BC109C in Q4. All obtainables in Q1-3. Socket them if you want to experiment as if you can get them, 2SC1327 are the bollocks. Put the highest gain ones in Q2 & 3 if you go with those. Leave the 109 in 4.
Quote from: garfo on May 08, 2013, 05:13:03 PM
What transistors did you use in this build, I can only identify bc109
The one in the demo used the following:
Q1 2N5088
Q2 BC549C
Q3 BC549C
Q4 BC109C
Good, thank you.Do the 2sc1327 have the same orientation as the bc549?
Quote from: juansolo on May 08, 2013, 05:16:06 PM
Quote from: garfo on May 08, 2013, 05:13:03 PM
What transistors did you use in this build, I can only identify bc109
The one in the demo used the following:
Q1 2N5088
Q2 BC549C
Q3 BC549C
Q4 BC109C
Same orientation IIRC, but they'll need some legs twisting
(http://juansolo.demon.co.uk/stompage/images/ministoner1-i2.jpg)
Juansolo, I detected an error on C15 for the ultrastoner.My pedal wasn't working until I found out what it was.basically, C15 says on the sheet to jumper.Well, I've put a .1 cap and it is working now.
Shouldn't need to fit it. We don't usually put that in. Just omit (don't jumper).
Good, thank you.
Yet, is it the same for R24?I've jumpered it, should have I not done this?
By the way, it is workingb ;) Sounds funny but powerfull.By the way, I've put led's in place of the silicon diodes, I thought they were supposed to blink but they don't, I'm not sure the led's I've placed instead of the diodes are actually doing anything.
Quote from: juansolo on May 09, 2013, 04:04:28 PM
Shouldn't need to fit it. We don't usually put that in. Just omit (don't jumper).
R24 wants the jumper in, yes.
LEDs will not clip anywhere near as much as the diodes (it'd take loads more current). I'd swap them out personally, it's supposed to be a wall of fuzz jobbie more than anything, you don't want to be cleaning it up ;)
It's done and it's working; it is gigantic!!!
That's more like it. It should be unsubtle and somewhat huge :)
Oh yeah, I can't even go with gain all the way, unlike my fuzzface ;P
Quote from: juansolo on April 12, 2013, 07:35:04 AM
Quote from: garfo on April 11, 2013, 05:27:57 PM
Ei, back at the mudbunny, I can't put it to workR6, should it be 10 or 18k???
18k for R6
Ei Juansolo, i've changed the componentes back to the skreddy mayo specs and left the mids pot there as Well.i've crossed a 100k res in parallel with the pot to get next to 33k.yet, I cant figure out the RX resistor thing.Could you give me some insight?
I thought that since im using the madbeanpedals project i should use 10k for R6 instead of 18k.On the side notes this appears o be what John Arnold has to say about it.