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Title: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!SIGN-UP!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 07, 2014, 04:23:56 PM
Hey guys, following Steve (raulduke) suggestion, i want to know if there would be any interest.

In order to make this happen, it asks for at least a total of 50 Bricks. You can mix the brick length desired.

We previously had them for 11$ each IIRC.

I now have 2 other buisness partners to get them from so we might be able to get for less, who knows! ;)

GB would be available worldwide, i've thought of à distribution system that would make everybody save money and time. First i have to discuss with my brothers from a foreign mother.

Post your numbers here and see if we can make this happen.

Cheers!

Rej

UPDATE

Here's what i have for now. First! We have reached the minimum numbers required for a breakout price. Still waiting on final pricing quotation from various suppliers.

The good news, what have killed me last year with that GB is that when i received the order i had 170$ customs bill added on top of the order. But this time, i'm completely bypassing that PITA.

The Brothers from a Foreign Mother.

So here's how it will work once we get this going.

-USA-
Big thanks to Forrest (culturejam) who will take reception of the order (saving on primary shipping) and then redistribute the Modules to all US participants, so US guys, you'll definitly get a better shipping rate and delivery time.

-UK/EUR-
Broski Juansolo is taking charge of the distribution for you guys. 8)

The shipping cost of the bricks from NorthAmerica to UK will be equaly divided between each participants involved in the GB, this will stay relatively low, i have to go at the post office later today to post stuff so i'll bring a sample box to get an exact quote about that.

Once the Bricks have landed, UK shipping will be 8$US and EUR 11$US.

-AustralAsia-
Guitarmaggedon is willing to assure distribution in the Wallabi world. Ben you can chime in to speak about the shipping cost within your area.

Anyone that have question or suggestion, feel free to chime in. My only goal is too get this to you guys in the best times and price.

Thanks

Rej

FINAL UPDATE

Bricks are going to be 11.50$US finally, got all my quotes from the various suppliers, tried to get them as low as i could. In fact this is the same price than last year.... so it should'nt be a biggie?

This price, with the amount of brick involved in the purchase, includes the paypal fees for each order, shipping cost of initial order to Forrest. The other trans-shipping fees are included in the oversea buyers shipping fee.

USA buyers, the best, safest and easiest way to proceed the distribution of the US purchaser is using the Flat Rate Box shipping, so 5.50$ fixed shipping in US.

If you only buy one... it's still cheaper than the single unit price at Mammoth... so i guess it's not too much of a turn off.

SUMMARY

Everything in US$

Bricks: 11.50$

Shipping:

US: 5.50$
CAN: 5.50$
UK: 8$
EUR: 11$

Thanks

Rej

Official groupbuy thread

http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14404.0
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: Droogie on March 07, 2014, 04:26:51 PM
I'd go for at least three!
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: selfdestroyer on March 07, 2014, 04:31:25 PM
Edit: I thought this was for the BTDR-3.. I have 4 BTDR-2's on-hand so I'm good.

If you do a group buy of the BTDR-3 I will definitely be in for 4.

Cody
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: ddog on March 07, 2014, 04:32:52 PM
In for 2: 1 long and 1 short
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: thesameage on March 07, 2014, 04:40:35 PM
In for 2.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: Cortexturizer on March 07, 2014, 04:43:17 PM
In for one. Thats all I need
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: PimpMyTone on March 07, 2014, 04:51:56 PM
Im in for 1 or 2 .
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: raulduke on March 07, 2014, 04:59:44 PM
Do you mean the new bricks Rej (with decay) or the older ones?

If it is the new ones then I would be in for 5 at least.

I'm holding off any more reverb builds until I can get my mitts on the new version.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: muddyfox on March 07, 2014, 05:16:29 PM

I'm behind on my reverb builds and I'm down to one brick so depending on the price and the version I may be in for a few.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: miter53 on March 07, 2014, 05:26:06 PM
I'd take 2-3
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: rullywowr on March 07, 2014, 05:31:18 PM
Two or three for me.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: juansolo on March 07, 2014, 05:35:08 PM
Yep, I'll be up for 4 (possibly more).
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 07, 2014, 05:37:51 PM
Forgot to mention, it's à total of 50 all brick length together.

Honestly, i dont think i'll be able to have them under 11$, i know the "cost" price on these and 11$ is à solid deal ;)
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: m-Kresol on March 07, 2014, 05:47:11 PM
Count me in for 2, one short + one long.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: pickdropper on March 07, 2014, 05:48:05 PM
I'll probably grab 3-4 from you.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: raulduke on March 07, 2014, 05:57:11 PM
Rej; sounds Cool. Is it the new brick (with decay)?
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: dan.schumaker on March 07, 2014, 06:06:05 PM
I'll be in for one
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: stevie1556 on March 07, 2014, 06:54:58 PM
I'll take 10 long bricks, as long as this goes ahead after payday. Bloody expensive month so far :(

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Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: billstein on March 07, 2014, 06:59:56 PM

Quote from: raulduke on March 07, 2014, 05:57:11 PM
Rej; sounds Cool. Is it the new brick (with decay)?

I was wondering the same thing.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: mattlee0037 on March 07, 2014, 07:00:49 PM
I'm in for one


Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: jimilee on March 07, 2014, 07:05:47 PM
I'm in for 2, 1 long and 1 short
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 07, 2014, 07:07:29 PM
Like the OP suggest it's for the BTDR 2 in short, medium and long.

The BTDR 3 is not available and not even listed on the manufacturer website....
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: pickdropper on March 07, 2014, 07:19:24 PM
I should clarify that I am in for 3 or 4 if the post office is willing to deliver it to me.   ;D
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: peAk on March 07, 2014, 07:44:24 PM
I'd be in for a long and a medium
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: muehring on March 07, 2014, 07:51:48 PM
I'd be in for 1
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: catfud on March 08, 2014, 12:21:45 AM
I'll be in for 2, a short and a long
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: atreidesheir on March 08, 2014, 12:38:02 AM
2 long, 1 short
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: teknoman2 on March 08, 2014, 12:40:29 AM
I am in for 2
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: mjcyates on March 08, 2014, 12:46:09 AM
1 short for me.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: bcalla on March 08, 2014, 01:50:30 AM
I'd go for a short and a medium.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 08, 2014, 02:41:10 AM
Been looking for a reverb project...I'll go 2 one long and one short.


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Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 08, 2014, 02:58:22 AM
Impressive!

We're in the 40's! Not even counting mine! :o

Just posted the interest thread on BYOC, I don't know but if we get in the 100's, it gives a bit more leverage on dealing.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: juansolo on March 08, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Going to Belton/Accutronics direct to get them?
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 08, 2014, 08:15:56 PM
Quote from: juansolo on March 08, 2014, 07:31:32 PM
Going to Belton/Accutronics direct to get them?

I don't know yet, have to contact them first, they probably have a minimum quantity purchase... ...wich is usually pretty high.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 10, 2014, 06:14:55 PM
UPDATE

Here's what i have for now. First! We have reached the minimum numbers required for a breakout price. Still waiting on final pricing quotation from various suppliers.

The good news, what have killed me last year with that GB is that when i received the order i had 170$ customs bill added on top of the order. But this time, i'm completely bypassing that PITA.

The Brothers from a Foreign Mother.

So here's how it will work once we get this going.

-USA-
Big thanks to Forrest (culturejam) who will take reception of the order (saving on primary shipping) and then redistribute the Modules to all US participants, so US guys, you'll definitly get a better shipping rate and delivery time.

-UK/EUR-
Broski Juansolo is taking charge of the distribution for you guys. 8)

The shipping cost of the bricks from NorthAmerica to UK will be equaly divided between each participants involved in the GB, this will stay relatively low, i have to go at the post office later today to post stuff so i'll bring a sample box to get an exact quote about that.

Once the Bricks have landed, UK shipping will be 8$US and EUR 11$US.

-AustralAsia-
Guitarmaggedon is willing to assure distribution in the Wallabi world. Ben you can chime in to speak about the shipping cost within your area.

Anyone that have question or suggestion, feel free to chime in. My only goal is too get this to you guys in the best times and price.

Thanks

Rej
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: ddog on March 10, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
How about shipping to us Canadians?
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 10, 2014, 06:24:56 PM
Quote from: ddog on March 10, 2014, 06:22:06 PM
How about shipping to us Canadians?

Hahahaha, sorry forgot about my own land.... ::)

6$ will cover it for most orders, since it's an overweight small parcel, but still fits in a padded envellope with foam to have the brick tuck'd in.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: fendman on March 10, 2014, 06:28:30 PM
In for 2 ...1 long  1 medium
Mike
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: juansolo on March 10, 2014, 06:29:38 PM
Just trying to sort out forwarding to mainland EU costs. Currently it's £6.17 (plus jiffybags and covering the shippage to me from CJ if you're wondering why we've guessed a little more). However just to complicate matters, Royal Mail are changing the international shipping at the end of March and this is all it says:

http://www.royalmail.com/international/consumer-changes

No mention of costs... Could be interesting...

On the plus side, redistribution in the UK is easy peasy.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 10, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
Once i have confirmation of the final price, i'll make a google spreadsheet for people to sign in.

Quote from: juansolo on March 10, 2014, 06:29:38 PM
Just trying to sort out forwarding to mainland EU costs. Currently it's £6.17 (plus jiffybags and covering the shippage to me from CJ if you're wondering why we've guessed a little more). However just to complicate matters, Royal Mail are changing the international shipping at the end of March and this is all it says:

http://www.royalmail.com/international/consumer-changes

No mention of costs... Could be interesting...

On the plus side, redistribution in the UK is easy peasy.

And i now owe a case of beer to CJ!
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: juansolo on March 10, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
Found them and as far as I can tell, international (EU) signed for is gonna be £8.70!  Jesustittyf**kingchrist!

UPDATE: Actually it's more than that... It's over £9...

It might be worth trying to find someone in the mainland EU to do another redistribution, our international shipping is really expensive. To the point that you'd be looking at the price you can get a brick from Banzai all up. So there's no point.

I can still cover the UK though. That's easy.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: stevie1556 on March 10, 2014, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: juansolo on March 10, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
Found them and as far as I can tell, international (EU) signed for is gonna be £8.70!  Jesustittyf**kingchrist!

UPDATE: Actually it's more than that... It's over £9...


You're sh!tting me right?????  I post loads of packages of to Europe :(

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Title: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: rullywowr on March 10, 2014, 10:15:19 PM
Packages shipped from US to international are automatically at least $8 even for one ounce. You must fill out a customs form. If you can fit the item in an envelope that is under 3/4 inch thick and uniform flatness, it would be called a "flat" and 1oz is about 2.50 usd.  I have lots of experience shipping packages internationally.  The best bet would be to send the bulk qty to one person in each country and then they can ship domestically.  I am equipped with packing materials and label printer for doing this type of thing. If I can help let me know.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: juansolo on March 10, 2014, 10:20:06 PM
Quote from: stevie1556 on March 10, 2014, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: juansolo on March 10, 2014, 06:41:44 PM
Found them and as far as I can tell, international (EU) signed for is gonna be £8.70!  Jesustittyf**kingchrist!

UPDATE: Actually it's more than that... It's over £9...


You're sh!tting me right?????  I post loads of packages of to Europe :(

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As far as I can tell, comes in at the end of March. I don't ship lots, but I ship enough for that to smart a fair bit!
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: m-Kresol on March 10, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Thanks guys for managing all that PITA. International shipping is always expensive, also within the european mainland. I paid 13.20€ from Vienna to Germany (approx. 5h drive by car) to return a delivery (0.7 kg). Couldn't believe it! Since the company I got the package from had to pay, I didn't bother.
But I guess, it shows that it will not make much of a difference if Juansolo ships it directly from the UK or if we distribute from the european mainland on our own. Also, the question is: would it even be worth having someone to do that? as far as I can tell we are just a few guys here. Depending on the final price for the brick itself I guess I'll pay around the same as with a non GB, but it's always nice to help the community!
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: das234 on March 11, 2014, 02:44:00 AM
I'll take at least 1.  Not sure which one yet.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: Chi_Boy on March 11, 2014, 02:55:34 AM
I'm in for 3.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: juansolo on March 11, 2014, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: m-Kresol on March 10, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Thanks guys for managing all that PITA. International shipping is always expensive, also within the european mainland. I paid 13.20€ from Vienna to Germany (approx. 5h drive by car) to return a delivery (0.7 kg). Couldn't believe it! Since the company I got the package from had to pay, I didn't bother.
But I guess, it shows that it will not make much of a difference if Juansolo ships it directly from the UK or if we distribute from the european mainland on our own. Also, the question is: would it even be worth having someone to do that? as far as I can tell we are just a few guys here. Depending on the final price for the brick itself I guess I'll pay around the same as with a non GB, but it's always nice to help the community!

As long as we can keep it below the delivered price of Das Musikding, TAD and Banzai it's probably worth doing. I'm just not sure we can do that with shipping from the UK to the rest of Europe going up in price so much.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: raulduke on March 11, 2014, 12:35:04 PM
Quote from: juansolo on March 11, 2014, 08:52:25 AM
Quote from: m-Kresol on March 10, 2014, 11:07:15 PM
Thanks guys for managing all that PITA. International shipping is always expensive, also within the european mainland. I paid 13.20€ from Vienna to Germany (approx. 5h drive by car) to return a delivery (0.7 kg). Couldn't believe it! Since the company I got the package from had to pay, I didn't bother.
But I guess, it shows that it will not make much of a difference if Juansolo ships it directly from the UK or if we distribute from the european mainland on our own. Also, the question is: would it even be worth having someone to do that? as far as I can tell we are just a few guys here. Depending on the final price for the brick itself I guess I'll pay around the same as with a non GB, but it's always nice to help the community!

As long as we can keep it below the delivered price of Das Musikding, TAD and Banzai it's probably worth doing. I'm just not sure we can do that with shipping from the UK to the rest of Europe going up in price so much.

I'd take 5 medium (as long as there is at least a little price break over Musikding etc.)

Cheers!
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: juansolo on March 11, 2014, 01:04:24 PM
UK should be much cheaper  8)
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: peAk on March 11, 2014, 01:05:17 PM
I see most people getting medium and short

What's up with the long? Why no love for the long?

Just curious
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 11, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
I actually have no idea what the differences are between the three, I just saw people getting the long and short so I figured I'd get one of each (long and short).  ;)
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: juansolo on March 11, 2014, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: flanagan0718 on March 11, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
I actually have no idea what the differences are between the three, I just saw people getting the long and short so I figured I'd get one of each (long and short).  ;)

Short: 2.0s
Medium: 2.5s
Long: 2.85s

Some bricks tend to suit some effects better than others. For example I like a short in a Rub-a-dub as it sounds most springy, and a medium in a Tenebrion. But that's not to say that others wouldn't prefer a long in there. It's just my preference.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: Cortexturizer on March 11, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
I wanna do the EQD Ghost Echo for my 5-in-1, I don't know what they used in the original, but I guess I need either medium or long, right?
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 11, 2014, 02:06:51 PM
Quote from: juansolo on March 11, 2014, 02:01:06 PM
Quote from: flanagan0718 on March 11, 2014, 01:53:49 PM
I actually have no idea what the differences are between the three, I just saw people getting the long and short so I figured I'd get one of each (long and short).  ;)

Short: 2.0s
Medium: 2.5s
Long: 2.85s

Some bricks tend to suit some effects better than others. For example I like a short in a Rub-a-dub as it sounds most springy, and a medium in a Tenebrion. But that's not to say that others wouldn't prefer a long in there. It's just my preference.

Thanks for clarifying! I was looking at the Tenebroin for my rv build (cause MB is currently lacking one).
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!UPDATE!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 11, 2014, 09:56:03 PM
Quote from: rullywowr on March 10, 2014, 10:15:19 PM
Packages shipped from US to international are automatically at least $8 even for one ounce. You must fill out a customs form. If you can fit the item in an envelope that is under 3/4 inch thick and uniform flatness, it would be called a "flat" and 1oz is about 2.50 usd.  I have lots of experience shipping packages internationally.  The best bet would be to send the bulk qty to one person in each country and then they can ship domestically.  I am equipped with packing materials and label printer for doing this type of thing. If I can help let me know.

Thanks Rully,

that's actually what we are doing, the initial shipment is getting divided on reception, one box to me for CAN, one box to UK for UK/EUR distribution and the remaining stays in US for the DIYers there.

Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!FINAL PRICE!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 11, 2014, 10:00:04 PM
FINAL UPDATE

Bricks are going to be 11.50$US finally, got all my quotes from the various suppliers, tried to get them as low as i could. In fact this is the same price than last year.... so it should'nt be a biggie?

This price, with the amount of brick involved in the purchase, includes the paypal fees for each order, shipping cost of initial order to Forrest. The other trans-shipping fees are included in the oversea buyers shipping fee.

USA buyers, the best, safest and easiest way to proceed the distribution of the US purchaser is using the Flat Rate Box shipping, so 5.50$ fixed shipping in US.

If you only buy one... it's still cheaper than the single unit price at Mammoth... so i guess it's not too much of a turn off.

SUMMARY

Everything in US$

Bricks: 11.50$

Shipping:

US: 5.50$
CAN: 5.50$
UK: 8$
EUR: 11$

Thanks

Rej
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!FINAL PRICE!!!
Post by: jimilee on March 11, 2014, 11:02:08 PM
That's really a great deal! What's the plan then, sign up sheet / doc?
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!FINAL PRICE!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 11, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Quote from: jimilee on March 11, 2014, 11:02:08 PM
That's really a great deal! What's the plan then, sign up sheet / doc?

Google spread sheet on his way, will make an official thread aswell, so we have full coverage of the dividing of order to their respective location and so the BroZ involved can post when they do the moves.
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!FINAL PRICE!!!
Post by: peAk on March 12, 2014, 12:28:17 AM
yeah, I will probably up mine to three possibly four
Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!FINAL PRICE!!!
Post by: muddyfox on March 12, 2014, 12:45:07 AM
Is the shipping per brick or per order?

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Title: Re: Gauging Interest, Belton BTDR-2H GroupBuy !!!FINAL PRICE!!!
Post by: GrindCustoms on March 12, 2014, 02:04:57 AM
Quote from: muddyfox on March 12, 2014, 12:45:07 AM
Is the shipping per brick or per order?

sent from my mobile device

Per Order.

Official SignUp Thread:

http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=14404.0