This winds me up...
Why have you decided to make the 'L' another 'D'? It really isn't. A sod is a bit of a bastard, or a clump of earth (sodomy is something else entirely).
Please stop it. ;)
What kind of stupid sold would spell it that way? ;-P
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Quote from: juansolo on March 31, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
This winds me up...
Why have you decided to make the 'L' another 'D'? It really isn't. A sod is a bit of a bastard, or a clump of earth (sodomy is something else entirely).
Please stop it. ;)
It's like dropping your Rs, except we got the wrong liquid. Any for a round of goff?
As a Brit living in Florida since 2001, that's one of the ones I've always been confused about. A bit like pronouncing herb 'erb'. ;D
Also, I can't figure out why the 'i' was dropped from aluminium but no other elements. Why don't kids have helum balloons at parties?
Quote from: mcallisterra on March 31, 2015, 02:16:02 PM
Also, I can't figure out why the 'i' was dropped from aluminium but no other elements. Why don't kids have helum balloons at parties?
Well, I don't use tantalium capacitors....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Etymology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium#Etymology)
Aha! Good point. Maybe we should try some though. They might sound better.
Quote from: mcallisterra on March 31, 2015, 02:25:36 PM
Aha! Good point. Maybe we should try some though. They might sound better.
and change the name to unobtainum.
haha, I had to search it just to be sure. My english isn't perfect by no means, but I like this definition:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Soddering
Herbs when you pronounce the "H" which isn't pronounced WITH the "H"
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I agree wholeheartedly. It's definitely spelled "solder". (The "L" is silent though ;) )
My next build will be called the hydroseed, because I'm gonna sodder all up in there!
Quote from: juansolo on March 31, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
This winds me up...
Why have you decided to make the 'L' another 'D'? It really isn't. A sod is a bit of a bastard, or a clump of earth (sodomy is something else entirely).
Please stop it. ;)
I'm pretty sure that this is one of those cases where the Americans have preserved an older English pronunciation while it changed in the UK. So, either way you look at it, it's England's fault. ;D
Always cringe a bit when I hear "sodder" on Youtube vids.
"You're going to commit soddomy with a HOT soLdering iron?!"
Quote from: juansolo on March 31, 2015, 09:26:19 AM
This winds me up...
Why have you decided to make the 'L' another 'D'? It really isn't. A sod is a bit of a bastard, or a clump of earth (sodomy is something else entirely).
Please stop it. ;)
All depends where in the world you're from, we sodder/sawder 'round here, with leaded solder of course.
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/19990/what-is-the-correct-pronunciation-of-the-word-solder
dave
I always sodder my boards and then put them in Alumininininium boxes. ;D
I think Geordies have far more of a problem pronouncing English words properly.... And they're from England (just) ;)
Quote from: raulduke on March 31, 2015, 05:17:15 PM
I think Geordies have far more of a problem pronouncing English words properly.... And they're from England (just) ;)
Hadaway and shiteman*
*Famous Geordie solicitors
I thought geordi was from gambia?!?!
No, Geordi is from the USS Enterprise.
(http://www.startrek.com/legacy_media/images/200307/la-forge05/320x240.jpg)
I would comment but im fairly certain I have no right too..what with my Straylian accent and constant dropping of unnecessary letters.
Sold der ring? Nooooo! soddering! I'm a soderhead! Hee hee!
Quote from: chromesphere on March 31, 2015, 11:49:59 PM
I would comment but im fairly certain I have no right too..what with my Straylian accent and constant dropping of unnecessary letters.
I was amazed when we lived in the UK at how quickly England stole some of the letters in my vocabulary. Such as "isn't it" becoming "innit". As in "Where are you going?" "Store innit." Forty became foe-ee. Plus they insisted that the trunk of my car was a boot and the fenders were wings. My sweaters were jumpers... I'm so confused.
http://youtu.be/9WxVf9njHps
Quote from: billstein on April 01, 2015, 05:36:44 AM
Quote from: chromesphere on March 31, 2015, 11:49:59 PM
I would comment but im fairly certain I have no right too..what with my Straylian accent and constant dropping of unnecessary letters.
I was amazed when we lived in the UK at how quickly England stole some of the letters in my vocabulary. Such as "isn't it" becoming "innit". As in "Where are you going?" "Store innit." Forty became foe-ee. Plus they insisted that the trunk of my car was a boot and the fenders were wings. My sweaters were jumpers... I'm so confused.
http://youtu.be/9WxVf9njHps
innit=Essex. Which isn't a good example of English speech (understatement of the century).
There's plenty of other stuff. Pavements are footpaths that run along side roads. Hoods are bonnets (which makes perfect sense if you think about it). Boot doesn't and trunk does, so that's a 50/50 job. But wings do where as fenders do not (old cars had wings, the name stuck).
Soddering though, is ridiculous. It's mainly because it sounds like it's another word pertaining to buggery. The soddering iron! :o Sodder sounds like it could be a byproduct of using a soddering iron, maybe it's something you have to clean off it...
Im thinking about starting an economically priced soldering iron manufacturing company called "Sodder Miser"... :o
Quote from: chromesphere on April 01, 2015, 09:21:36 AM
Im thinking about starting an economically priced soldering iron manufacturing company called "Sodder Miser"... :o
;D
*Coffee on screen incident*
Juan, you had to know, NO-ONE would take you seriously, no matter how irritating it is....
Just tell them to sold off!
Oh I knew... but I do find it amusing.
Quote from: chromesphere on March 31, 2015, 11:49:59 PM
I would comment but im fairly certain I have no right too..what with my Straylian accent and constant dropping of unnecessary letters.
I read this in your accent and I'm still picking up half the alphabet off the floor.
There's a t missing ... gotta be around here somewhere.
You could move to the mid Atlantic. People here add letters. "Warter" is something you drink, and "warsh" is something you do to your clothes. My grandmother had it. My mother does not. Somehow my sister got it. Maybe it skips a generation, like baldness.
Quote from: midwayfair on April 01, 2015, 12:51:13 PM
You could move to the mid Atlantic. People here add letters. "Warter" is something you drink, and "warsh" is something you do to your clothes. My grandmother had it. My mother does not. Somehow my sister got it. Maybe it skips a generation, like baldness.
That generally just happens with the letter combo "ar" though, and sounds a lot like "or" (i.e. "worsh those clothes"). In the same region some letters are dropped as well, such as the "L" when talking about "diggin' a hoe" in the ground. Oh, and that brings up another... the suffix ing is nearly always shortened to just in' :D
Of course, when talking about grandmothers, everything is fair game. The word "fish" becomes "feesh".
Quote from: Justus on April 01, 2015, 03:07:51 PM
Quote from: midwayfair on April 01, 2015, 12:51:13 PM
You could move to the mid Atlantic. People here add letters. "Warter" is something you drink, and "warsh" is something you do to your clothes. My grandmother had it. My mother does not. Somehow my sister got it. Maybe it skips a generation, like baldness.
That generally just happens with the letter combo "ar" though, and sounds a lot like "or" (i.e. "worsh those clothes"). In the same region some letters are dropped as well, such as the "L" when talking about "diggin' a hoe" in the ground. Oh, and that brings up another... the suffix ing is nearly always shortened to just in' :D
Of course, when talking about grandmothers, everything is fair game. The word "fish" becomes "feesh".
Many dialects of English have weird things with liquids (I mentioned liquids earlier in the thread). I think the one in "warsh" is called an interstitial /r/.
RP does these, too. My favorite is when the BBC talks about the weathah in Chiner.
-ing becoming -in is actually proper English going back as far as something recognizably "English" was a language. The spelling was normalized but an unstressed -ing ending never had an /inj/ sound until very, very recently after widespread literacy. The association with literacy probably has something to do with people erroneously believing that "dropping the g" is a low-class thing. Nineteenth century writers using weird spellings to transcribe regional accents, and their fondness for prescriptive grammar, really did very little to curb this.
Another word that suffered a pronunciation change due to literacy was "often." It's pronounced "offen." It was spelled with a "t" for some reason (I forget why) and people started pronouncing that letter.
Hah, here's one you lot will take awhile to work out what the word really is.
Chur, bro.
ohnoz! sloid glod thread n teh mayking ;D
It's funny to my American ears when I hear the English dropping 'r's from words but then adding them where they don't belong. What's up with adding 'r's at the end of words ending in vowels if the next word begins with a vowel?
I've seen a couple pedal names that tried to capitalize on this, but I don't think they got it right. I remember reading that the Supa Trem was supposed to be a joke and that it would be pronounced Super Trem by the British. I think Mike Fuller didn't get the memo that 't' is a consonant.
I'm going to invent a desoldering pump and call it the "Sollda Extracta".
Quote from: Leevibe on April 02, 2015, 02:17:59 PM
It's funny to my American ears when I hear the English dropping 'r's from words but then adding them where they don't belong. What's up with adding 'r's at the end of words ending in vowels if the next word begins with a vowel?
For the first half of our time in England Princess Dianer was still alive.
One of the classics to me, and is still stuck in my head is "bottle of water" being "bah-o of woe-ah". I really miss England at times.
Great place.
Quote from: jimilee on March 31, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Herbs when you pronounce the "H" which isn't pronounced WITH the "H"
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Growing up we used to call people "herbs" pronouncing the h. Meaning uncool or being a dick.
Now we smoke herbs and it's all good. 😄😜✌️lol
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Well, at least the change fits in nicely well with my self-chat whilst soddering:
- sodding soddering iron!
- sodding sodder!
- sodding board!
... you get the idea. :)
Time for a non native speaker to chime in. I believe that my english is very good, credit goes to all the TV shows I'm watching, to all the science related literature being published in english and of course my semester in Calgary also helped.
However, I found it quite irritating to hear soddering the first time. Honestly, it still is. In my opinion soldering makes more sense. But hey, what do I know. My friends from Vienna can't understand me when I'm talking on the phone to people from my hometown, so I guess you could just pass of 'soddering' as a form of dialect/accent/slang. As long as you know what the other person is talking about. :)
As an english only speaker I've no recollection of ever hearing it pronounce any other way then sodder/sawder. You've got me curious now, do you rhyme it with colder/folder etc, how does it roll?
dave
Quote from: Leevibe on April 02, 2015, 02:17:59 PM
It's funny to my American ears when I hear the English dropping 'r's from words but then adding them where they don't belong.
Happens in Long Island, too. Or, as I call it, Lon Guyland, which is how a lot of the natives say it. ;D
I used to work with a LI native that constantly talked about wanting a "vodker tonic" to drink and some "pizzer" to eat. :D
Quote from: davent on April 02, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
As an english only speaker I've no recollection of ever hearing it pronounce any other way then sodder/sawder. You've got me curious now, do you rhyme it with colder/folder etc, how does it roll?
dave
It's more like Saul-Der.
Quote from: culturejam on April 02, 2015, 07:19:39 PM
Quote from: davent on April 02, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
As an english only speaker I've no recollection of ever hearing it pronounce any other way then sodder/sawder. You've got me curious now, do you rhyme it with colder/folder etc, how does it roll?
dave
It's more like Saul-Der.
iirc i've also heard it with a long o
Every time I try to hear the L in my mind, I get this guy's voice:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Sb21qbpEQ
After reading all this, i now feel like my spoken english is really not that bad... native are butchering it more than me.. haha!
Quote from: Shrtyska9 on April 02, 2015, 04:11:24 PM
Quote from: jimilee on March 31, 2015, 02:39:17 PM
Herbs when you pronounce the "H" which isn't pronounced WITH the "H"
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Growing up we used to call people "herbs" pronouncing the h. Meaning uncool or being a dick.
Now we smoke herbs and it's all good. 😄😜✌️lol
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And that makes lots of sense!
Quote from: davent on April 02, 2015, 05:43:50 PM
As an english only speaker I've no recollection of ever hearing it pronounce any other way then sodder/sawder. You've got me curious now, do you rhyme it with colder/folder etc, how does it roll?
dave
It's funny, I was reading this and chuckling then I thought "Hey wait! That's the way I say it. Sodder". To pronounce the L seems really strange.
Quote from: Shrtyska9 on April 02, 2015, 04:11:24 PM
Growing up we used to call people "herbs" pronouncing the h. Meaning uncool or being a dick.
Now we smoke herbs and it's all good. 😄😜✌️lol
Huh, there's a New Zealand band called Herbs. Pacifica reggae, VERY popular band over here. Everyone in Aotearoa has heard their song with Dave Dobbyn, Slice of Heaven.
I was reading a build doc and it mentioned soldering. I don't even know how to say it now. What the heck!
I've never heard of soddering, but I have heard of sautering. Sautering isn't an actual word, but I've heard that word used as often as soldering in my part of the world (Midwest USA). And, of course, the wire that is melted is sauter. Since "soddering" and "sautering" (sottering) sound very similar, maybe that's the connection. And, yes, this non-existent word is spelled "sautering" and pronounced "sottering", which is pretty funny in itself - a correct pronunciation for an odd spelling of a make-believe word. Of course, "sautering" doesn't suffer from any of the "sodding" problems, making it a better non-existent word.
I know EEs that call it sautering because that's what their teachers call it. I find that amusing, especially when I say "solder" and they correct me to "sauter" - hey, they should be the experts! I actually did think it was a word at one point. I thought it meant something more like brazing or something plumbers did to join pipes. But it doesn't. It doesn't mean anything other than someone doesn't know it is really "soldering". My guess is that it was some messed up version of an actual word in German, Dutch, French, or other language that was spoken by people that settled here long ago. Lots of messed up words and place names here have resulted from semi-literate English-speaking mangling of non-English words and names. Or it could be German, Dutch, French, etc settlers messing up the English word and passing it back. Sautering has been going on here for many years.
Anyway, I say soldering now so people won't know I'm a hick, but give me a couple of longnecks and an iron and I might start sautering...
Losing that "L" always puzzled me, I just figured, in the US, it was silent - as in "pee" in swimming. ;)
This thread reminds me of this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmqJQ-nc_s
If you're looking for a language where spelling is a reliable guide to pronunciation, English ain't the one. :) Did we mess it up even worse when it got to our continent? Yep. And it makes perfect sense to me why our pronunciation of the word bothers Juan. Will I be able, in the face of that, to change the way I say it? Probably not.
I honestly never even knew of the British (and Australian) pronunciation until I saw one of Paul's videos. I thought he was mispronouncing the word. Haha. Now I know better, and I understand why it would sound so offensive in other parts of the world. We just don't say "sod" or "sodding" over here unless we're talking about lawns.
If you look it up in a dictionary, pronunciations are shown for both American English and British English. We've also chosen our own spellings for a lot of words over here. If it keeps evolving, we'll probably just resort to a series of clicks, whistles and grunts.
Quote from: Leevibe on April 03, 2015, 03:08:59 PM
If you're looking for a language where spelling is a reliable guide to pronunciation, English ain't the one. :)
That's for sure. I'm still trying to figure out how a military officer is spelled "Colonel". How the heck can that sound the same as a popcorn "Kernel". Try using phonics to help you on that one.
Quote from: billstein on April 03, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: Leevibe on April 03, 2015, 03:08:59 PM
If you're looking for a language where spelling is a reliable guide to pronunciation, English ain't the one. :)
That's for sure. I'm still trying to figure out how a military officer is spelled "Colonel". How the heck can that sound the same as a popcorn "Kernel". Try using phonics to help you on that one.
I'm a fan of pronouncing "lieutenant" as "leftenant" myself. ;D
Yeah but is a silent "L" really that bad? What about a silent "J"? ;)
Quote from: Justus on April 03, 2015, 04:28:09 PM
Yeah but is a silent "L" really that bad? What about a silent "J"? ;)
As used in the word "Jogging"? :P
Quote from: culturejam on April 03, 2015, 04:19:50 PM
Quote from: billstein on April 03, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
Quote from: Leevibe on April 03, 2015, 03:08:59 PM
If you're looking for a language where spelling is a reliable guide to pronunciation, English ain't the one. :)
That's for sure. I'm still trying to figure out how a military officer is spelled "Colonel". How the heck can that sound the same as a popcorn "Kernel". Try using phonics to help you on that one.
I'm a fan of pronouncing "lieutenant" as "leftenant" myself. ;D
Good man :)