So i've been out of the loop for a little period of time and all the topics related to Xvive BBDs are now gone....
Did they ever talked of getting into those?
Thanks
Rej
I don't know about those because there is still a rather plentiful supply of the 3007 and Belling is still producing the 3207.
On a related note, I finally got notification from Paypal that my monies for the Xvive purchase (which they backed out on) finally got refunded. Paypal had to force the refund. So sad!
Quote from: Govmnt_Lacky on January 19, 2016, 11:08:07 AM
I don't know about those because there is still a rather plentiful supply of the 3007 and Belling is still producing the 3207.
On a related note, I finally got notification from Paypal that my monies for the Xvive purchase (which they backed out on) finally got refunded. Paypal had to force the refund. So sad!
Oh my! Won't rely on them then.... i had contacted CoolAudio to become a re-seller but! the minimum they are asking is totally out of reach for me right now...
Sad1024 would be cool🙂
I think they need to seriously sort out their manufacturing procedures of the 3008's before they consider trying their hand at rolling anything else :)
Quote from: chromesphere on January 19, 2016, 06:13:27 PM
I think they need to seriously sort out their manufacturing procedures of the 3008's before they consider trying their hand at rolling anything else :)
does anyone know the status of those? last i heard is they couldn't ship because of the (at least) 2nd failed batch?
I probably know more then anyone Misha and you are correct (2nd batch failed). I have emailed the company again today for an update.
Too bad for you guys trying to get some in stock. Sounds like a pain in the ass. I'd love to purchase 6-10 when available.
I think the big boys are snagging them up and Xvive is prioritizing. Maybe they pushed the 2nd batch out too fast and slacked on QC? Seems weird. Who knows..
Let us know guys, this guy wants a few delays to play with. Good luck!
Quote from: SmoothAction on January 20, 2016, 04:40:40 PM
I think the big boys are snagging them up and Xvive is prioritizing.
Chase Bliss has just released a pedal using them and EHX are using them (not to mention all the other stuff that might be using them so far coming out of NAMM) so I think that's a safe assumption at this point.
Seems logical. Lots of small orders equals more hassle, whereas you can afford to lose a few small orders, but you will definitely feel the loss of a really big order. Plus they do have a kind of monopoly here. Maybe you guys are pissed off now, but its not like you can go to another manufacturer. The only real competition seems to be dodgy geezers selling old stock for inflated prices on Ebay. Chances are once Xvive finally gets their shit in order you guys will still come back to them.
Unless we say f*** it, analog voiced PT2399's for the win!
Quote from: Muadzin on January 21, 2016, 01:45:51 AM
Maybe you guys are pissed off now, but its not like you can go to another manufacturer.
Ah yeah, hence the 4+ month wait ;-) Not really much other option!
The only thing I am really pissed about is the fact that they didn't refund my money when asked and Paypal had to force it. I am used to dealing with people/companies like this who have poor customer service and "prioritize" as you all say. I just put them into the "Never deal with again" column.
Someone, somewhere will catch on to the money that can be made with these and I am sure you will see others pop up soon.
Paul... good luck with them. I do hope that you get the order sometime soon ;)
Quote from: chromesphere on January 21, 2016, 01:53:08 AM
Quote from: Muadzin on January 21, 2016, 01:45:51 AM
Maybe you guys are pissed off now, but its not like you can go to another manufacturer.
Ah yeah, hence the 4+ month wait ;-) Not really much other option!
Totally worth the wait! 8)
Quote from: chromesphere on January 19, 2016, 06:28:33 PM
I probably know more then anyone Misha and you are correct (2nd batch failed). I have emailed the company again today for an update.
Any news on the xvive MN3005 chips? I'm in another group buy (synthcube) and waiting like everyone else.
Except, it seems, for CabinTech (who spammed here amongst other places) who seem to have gotten their shipment in late december and fulfilled orders, and are now expecting another order this month. Wonder how the hell that works when everyone else is being told the batches are defective...
Hey spice, cant talk for CabinTech they might be getting there's from a magical fountain, last i heard its Chinese new year so the epic wait is extended by 2 weeks. My contact told me she would update me as soon as the holidays are over, i really hope she has positive news, this group buy has been a killer for everyone involved....i will update this thread when i hear more, thanks for your patience...
Paul
ya i think we are all looking forward to the day when we can reliably buy good BBDs at a decent price point. fingers crossed.
I think the whole thing has proved to me even more that we need to seek alternative methods of getting that sound from a delay...
By 'we', I of course mean people far brighter than me who design delays...
I just build stuff ;)
Quote from: juansolo on February 06, 2016, 10:11:41 AM
I think the whole thing has proved to me even more that we need to seek alternative methods of getting that sound from a delay...
By 'we', I of course mean people far brighter than me who design delays...
I just build stuff ;)
I hear there's this whole new technology called........ modeling?
Quote from: Muadzin on February 06, 2016, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: juansolo on February 06, 2016, 10:11:41 AM
I think the whole thing has proved to me even more that we need to seek alternative methods of getting that sound from a delay...
By 'we', I of course mean people far brighter than me who design delays...
I just build stuff ;)
I hear there's this whole new technology called........ modeling?
Modeling?!? Bah humbug! :P
Quote from: Muadzin on February 06, 2016, 06:30:47 PM
Quote from: juansolo on February 06, 2016, 10:11:41 AM
I think the whole thing has proved to me even more that we need to seek alternative methods of getting that sound from a delay...
By 'we', I of course mean people far brighter than me who design delays...
I just build stuff ;)
I hear there's this whole new technology called........ modeling?
Diamond pedals have an interesting delay topology, they use a modern DSP chip with high quality sampling and playback but use analog filters on the repeats for grittiness. i wanted to try this myself but i don't know anything about DSP chips and developer kits are pretty expensive. i think it's certainly in reach of DIY, just not me.
Quote from: stecykmi on February 08, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
Diamond pedals have an interesting delay topology, they use a modern DSP chip with high quality sampling and playback but use analog filters on the repeats for grittiness. i wanted to try this myself but i don't know anything about DSP chips and developer kits are pretty expensive. i think it's certainly in reach of DIY, just not me.
I wonder how much of that is driven by actually sounding better or because of marketing. Because to many musicians digital has become a dirty word while analog is the ne plus ultra. So such a solution is more likely to appeal to the cork sniffers then going full modeling.
Or is it because the boutique pedal builders, most of whom started out like us as DIY solder jockeys, just don't have the know-how and resources of Line6 and Fractal to really make modeling work so they have to come up with analog shortcuts?
Quote from: Muadzin on February 09, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: stecykmi on February 08, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
Diamond pedals have an interesting delay topology, they use a modern DSP chip with high quality sampling and playback but use analog filters on the repeats for grittiness. i wanted to try this myself but i don't know anything about DSP chips and developer kits are pretty expensive. i think it's certainly in reach of DIY, just not me.
I wonder how much of that is driven by actually sounding better or because of marketing. Because to many musicians digital has become a dirty word while analog is the ne plus ultra. So such a solution is more likely to appeal to the cork sniffers then going full modeling.
Or is it because the boutique pedal builders, most of whom started out like us as DIY solder jockeys, just don't have the know-how and resources of Line6 and Fractal to really make modeling work so they have to come up with analog shortcuts?
Looking at Diamonds website, their digital delay features variable sample rate for setting the delay time.
I would assume they are also combining this with analogue anti-aliasing filters.
This is in line with how BBD delays are designed.
Varying the sample rate to adjust delay time is part of what gives BBD delays their 'mojo' IMO.
In short... Diamond know their sh*t so I wouldn't dismiss them as solder jockeys just yet. Their pedals sound great and are well designed (I own their boost pedal, and had their compressor for a while).
Quote from: raulduke on February 09, 2016, 05:21:01 AM
Quote from: Muadzin on February 09, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: stecykmi on February 08, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
Diamond pedals have an interesting delay topology, they use a modern DSP chip with high quality sampling and playback but use analog filters on the repeats for grittiness. i wanted to try this myself but i don't know anything about DSP chips and developer kits are pretty expensive. i think it's certainly in reach of DIY, just not me.
I wonder how much of that is driven by actually sounding better or because of marketing. Because to many musicians digital has become a dirty word while analog is the ne plus ultra. So such a solution is more likely to appeal to the cork sniffers then going full modeling.
Or is it because the boutique pedal builders, most of whom started out like us as DIY solder jockeys, just don't have the know-how and resources of Line6 and Fractal to really make modeling work so they have to come up with analog shortcuts?
Looking at Diamonds website, their digital delay features variable sample rate for setting the delay time.
I would assume they are also combining this with analogue anti-aliasing filters (as per BBD delay designs).
This is in lieu with how BBD devices work.
Varying the sample rate to adjust delay time is part of what gives BBD delays their 'mojo' IMO.
In short... Diamond know their sh*t so I wouldn't dismiss them as solder jockeys just yet. Their pedals sound great and are well designed (I own their boost pedal, and had their compressor for a while).
I should have added boutique builders
in general, as I do agree that Diamond are on the better part of the spectrum. I still think though that combining digital delay with analog filtering is just as much a sign of weakness in the DSP field as it is of strength in the analog field.
Quote from: Muadzin on February 09, 2016, 05:45:13 AM
Quote from: raulduke on February 09, 2016, 05:21:01 AM
Quote from: Muadzin on February 09, 2016, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: stecykmi on February 08, 2016, 03:50:19 PM
Diamond pedals have an interesting delay topology, they use a modern DSP chip with high quality sampling and playback but use analog filters on the repeats for grittiness. i wanted to try this myself but i don't know anything about DSP chips and developer kits are pretty expensive. i think it's certainly in reach of DIY, just not me.
I wonder how much of that is driven by actually sounding better or because of marketing. Because to many musicians digital has become a dirty word while analog is the ne plus ultra. So such a solution is more likely to appeal to the cork sniffers then going full modeling.
Or is it because the boutique pedal builders, most of whom started out like us as DIY solder jockeys, just don't have the know-how and resources of Line6 and Fractal to really make modeling work so they have to come up with analog shortcuts?
Looking at Diamonds website, their digital delay features variable sample rate for setting the delay time.
I would assume they are also combining this with analogue anti-aliasing filters (as per BBD delay designs).
This is in lieu with how BBD devices work.
Varying the sample rate to adjust delay time is part of what gives BBD delays their 'mojo' IMO.
In short... Diamond know their sh*t so I wouldn't dismiss them as solder jockeys just yet. Their pedals sound great and are well designed (I own their boost pedal, and had their compressor for a while).
I should have added boutique builders in general, as I do agree that Diamond are on the better part of the spectrum. I still think though that combining digital delay with analog filtering is just as much a sign of weakness in the DSP field as it is of strength in the analog field.
DSP is an amazing thing and IMO can sound 100% identical to the real thing, even for something really complex like a tube amp or a speaker cabinet. I've got a Line 6 Pod HD Pro and it is a wonderful sounding device but it just sits in my rack and doesn't get touched live.
Nobody can get past the 'weird' feeling playing through it.
That weird feeling is latency, which is inherent to digital devices. It's usually only a few ms, not enough to consciously discern with the human ear, but enough for the brain to go 'wait a minute, something's off here'.
An analog device is basically instantaneous. Since a BBD is
supposed to introduce a delay anyway, having an analog signal path and a digital delay path is actually a really good solution IMO, at least for live use.
As to the boutique thing, I agree there are a few out there that are just talking out their ass and hoping for the best, but in general there are some pretty smart dudes/dudettes out there in the audio world.
I agree that it can do amazing things, and can sound awesome (SoundToy's stuff sounds analogue to my ears).
But I can also see the sense in melding DSP with analogue circuitry that is hard to emulate with DSP (eg. esoteric filters, clipping characteristics of analogue circuitry etc.) it could be a nice mix of both worlds.
On delay design, I've found that injecting a little noise into digital delay lines time modulation can sound really cool and 'analogue-ish'.
I've been mucking around with Reaktor a lot recently, and made a delay that to my ears sounds very much like a BBD delay:
(https://www.native-instruments.com/typo3temp/pics/a1cc4145ee.png)
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/9375/ (https://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/9375/)
So... ive been out of the loop for quite some time. just now read the total recall project page and learned about these new mn3005s. i'm surprised this is the only thread! still not available for us to purchase or whats goin on? more importantly how do they sound? i know the project doc says they work just fine, but i seem to remember bean saying the v3205's were acceptable in one of the old analog delay projects... not saying i dont trust ya. just want a more scutinizing comparison? are they really darn close? (because I dont consider the v3205's to be close at all- though ive never been able to make a direct swap with v3205 for mn3005)
ive been waiting to roll my own big box DMM for years! Id love to get this underway!