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General => Global Annoucements => Topic started by: madbean on March 17, 2017, 04:18:19 PM

Title: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 17, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
Just to let you guys know things are moving along. I expect to have the first two or three projects released within weeks (I'll announce which ones soon). Here is a list of the all the projects you will have to choose from. Of these, only the Bumblebee is a limited supply. Everything else will be in stock for quite a long time.

Alpha Dog
Blueprint
Blues King
Bumblebee
Choral Reef
Darkhorse
Distortion 3
Enterprise
Fiery Red Horse
Focus
Merman
Mobius Strip
Old School
Pale Horse
Scream
Springboard
Triplet
Triumvirate
White Horse
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Adam_MD on March 17, 2017, 05:14:07 PM
Excellent good stuff I can't wait for these.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: dan.schumaker on March 17, 2017, 05:20:28 PM
Awesome Brian!  I'm going to build them all, but am excited for the Merman, Choral Reef and Mobius Strip.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Boba7 on March 18, 2017, 02:16:36 AM
I had a choral reed a while ago that was absolutely fantastic. The Pale Horse I built on vero is awesome. And I just cannot wait to build a bumblebee!! Ive wanted one for so long!

Thanks Brian, thanks a lot!

(And thanks for tha Aquaboy pcbs, they're just so perfect)
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: gordo on March 18, 2017, 08:59:42 AM
Ummm, this is shaping up to be a very expensive summer  :D
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 19, 2017, 09:31:57 AM
Organized and inventoried!
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Aristatertotle on March 19, 2017, 10:48:38 AM
Sweet! What the heck is a D taper pot?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Boba7 on March 19, 2017, 11:34:44 AM
Sweet! What the heck is a D taper pot?

A more dramatic A taper pot I believe
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: jimilee on March 19, 2017, 12:08:45 PM
It's like a C taper but one more.


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Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: jubal81 on March 19, 2017, 02:18:44 PM
This is going to be fun. At least 4-5 of these I'm really excited to build.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 19, 2017, 06:38:31 PM
I have no idea what any of these are...I'M SO EXCITED !!!!!


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Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: stringsthings on March 20, 2017, 12:07:32 AM
I have no idea what any of these are...I'M SO EXCITED !!!!!

Me neither!  :D
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Droogie on March 21, 2017, 01:53:35 PM
Had some time at work to check these out on VFE discontinued pedals site. Looks like there's some fun to be had!
vfepedals.com/discontinued.html (http://vfepedals.com/discontinued.html)

Alpha Dog - Vintage Distortion
Blueprint ANALOG-VOICED DELAY w/ modulation
Blues King - Low gain OD
Bumblebee SWELL + COMPRESSOR
Choral Reef MN3008-based chorus
Darkhorse - Hard Distortion w/baxandall
Distortion 3 - Distortion/OD hard and soft clipping
Enterprise - Phaser with var stages, other features
Fiery Red Horse - Fuzz
Focus - Clean mid boost
Merman - klon derivative
Mobius Strip - dual delay
Old School - Trem w/starve function
Pale Horse - Dynamic OD
Scream - TS with user built variations
Springboard - Echo-verb
Triplet - Copm/oct up/distortion
Triumvirate - Multiband distortion
White Horse - Opto compressor
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: somnif on March 23, 2017, 02:05:43 PM
So am I correct in thinking the Bumblebee is basically a Slow Gear chugged into an optical compressor? Or would it be an opto-comp shoved into a slow gear.

What an odd combination of circuits to mix. Sounds interesting though.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 23, 2017, 03:06:59 PM
So am I correct in thinking the Bumblebee is basically a Slow Gear chugged into an optical compressor? Or would it be an opto-comp shoved into a slow gear.

What an odd combination of circuits to mix. Sounds interesting though.

I actually do not yet have the schematic for the VFE Bumblebee so I can't say for sure. But it appears to be compression with the option of blending in volume swells in parallel. If you click on the circuit block diagram on the VFE site it gives you a more detailed explanation.
http://vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html (http://vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html)
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Matmosphere on March 23, 2017, 03:07:04 PM
I'm guessing it's a comp into a slow gear. Wouldn't make sense to compress the signal after the slow gear. Using a comp before my rustbucket makes everything work much better. I'd assume that's true of the slow gear as welll.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Matmosphere on March 23, 2017, 03:23:48 PM
So am I correct in thinking the Bumblebee is basically a Slow Gear chugged into an optical compressor? Or would it be an opto-comp shoved into a slow gear.

What an odd combination of circuits to mix. Sounds interesting though.

I actually do not yet have the schematic for the VFE Bumblebee so I can't say for sure. But it appears to be compression with the option of blending in volume swells in parallel. If you click on the circuit block diagram on the VFE site it gives you a more detailed explanation.
http://vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html (http://vfepedals.com/bumblebee.html)

Just saw this.  Cool idea
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Aleph Null on March 23, 2017, 03:36:01 PM
I'm guessing it's a comp into a slow gear. Wouldn't make sense to compress the signal after the slow gear. Using a comp before my rustbucket makes everything work much better. I'd assume that's true of the slow gear as welll.

Amp Tweaker recently released a compressor that has an extremely fast attack and an extremely slow release, but with a dry blend. If you mix the dry and wet signal just right, it sounds like super sustain. If you cut the dry signal entirely, it sounds like a volume swell (which is essentially what it is) because it completely squashes the attack. My guess would be the bumblebee has a similar operating principal, but maybe more control over the release time.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 27, 2017, 05:45:40 PM
The first two projects will be the Alpha Dog and Pale Horse. I expect these to release by the end of next week! Typing up documentation and getting things ready.

Here is my Pale Horse build. You can see I did a couple of kludges for parts I did not have. Amazing how you can have 2000 different components but still not have that one thing you need...   :)

Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jules on March 27, 2017, 06:12:38 PM
Cool, I am interested in the Alpha Dog for sure.
Are there any custom type parts you will need to supply/sell with the VFE pedals?
Thanks
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 27, 2017, 06:40:52 PM
Cool, I am interested in the Alpha Dog for sure.
Are there any custom type parts you will need to supply/sell with the VFE pedals?
Thanks

The custom parts will be included. Also, the switching board PCB and micro-controller are included with every project.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: somnif on March 27, 2017, 06:41:44 PM
Ha, answered the question before I got to ask it. I was curious about the breakout board for their relay switching. That is pretty awesome.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: dan.schumaker on March 27, 2017, 06:45:01 PM
Looks great Brian!  I am either going to have to suck it up and use side mounted jacks or do a work-around for top mounted :)
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: BrianS on March 27, 2017, 09:31:20 PM
Well there goes the idea of limiting my projects lol.  I like the switching board with the mounted jacks.  That's really neat.  And of course the build looks awesome.  Any idea on how much the boards are going to run?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jules on March 27, 2017, 11:53:30 PM
Cool, I am interested in the Alpha Dog for sure.
Are there any custom type parts you will need to supply/sell with the VFE pedals?
Thanks
that is very cool, my only concern is how much International shipping will go up from the price of just Pcbs?

The custom parts will be included. Also, the switching board PCB and micro-controller are included with every project.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Boba7 on March 28, 2017, 04:04:35 AM
Looks great Brian!  I am either going to have to suck it up and use side mounted jacks or do a work-around for top mounted :)

Ah ah I was just thinking the exact same thing.

Hope shipping won't be too expensive to Europe, but I'm pretty sure I'll want at least a Bumblebee!! Their compressor looks quite amazing too.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 28, 2017, 06:32:52 AM
that is very cool, my only concern is how much International shipping will go up from the price of just Pcbs?

They will require regular 1st Class shipping international. There is no way to offer the cheapest shipping option because of the pots, unfortunately. If this is a big problem for people, I suppose I could offer the cheaper option without the pots but I'm not quite sure how that would work. What do you guys think?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jouve on March 28, 2017, 06:46:54 AM
I'm just excited about it. Recently i've built Brian's Runt - and it just sounds awesome. Seems like i'm all in for alpha dog and a horsie one  :D
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Tremster on March 28, 2017, 06:55:51 AM
How much is that shipping option? I can imagine people having no problem paying that once or twice, but people who will build all of them would maybe have to pay the higher amount every few weeks, I don't know.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jules on March 28, 2017, 07:23:05 AM
For me there are about 3 projects I would like to build and they likely won't be released at the same time. If the shipping is around 20 US and I have to pay it 3 times it would not be worth the shipping cost to me.
Do you expect to have stock of them all in the end or do you expect to them to sell out as released? If I could pay for them as they are released but have them all ship together when ready in some sort of hold system would be OK.
Does every single project have a custom part that cannot be bought elsewhere?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 28, 2017, 07:45:50 AM
Do you expect to have stock of them all in the end or do you expect to them to sell out as released? If I could pay for them as they are released but have them all ship together when ready in some sort of hold system would be OK.
Does every single project have a custom part that cannot be bought elsewhere?

It's going to be a bit of "play by ear" because I only have a few hundred switching boards and micro-controllers right now (obviously I will get more down the road). So, I will likely release the projects in batches of 50 to ensure I can provide everything at the same time.

Not all the projects will require custom pots, but no they are not available elsewhere. These were specifically made for VFE. It's not like other pots can't be subbed, though. Not all projects require custom parts, either. For instance, the second batch is likely to be the Blues King and White Horse. BK has two pots included, WH does not require custom pots.

For international shipping, I might just hard-cap it at $13 1st Class and eat any overages. We'll see. I haven't figured out all the fine details yet but I am willing to listen to suggestions.

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jules on March 28, 2017, 08:11:47 AM
Thanks a lot for the answers Brian.
I could live with 13 dollars, give me a reason to order some other boards also.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Boba7 on March 29, 2017, 02:38:09 AM
$13 sounds fine Brian, thanks!
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: alparent on March 29, 2017, 12:24:46 PM
If I could pay for them as they are released but have them all ship together when ready in some sort of hold system would be OK.

That would not only be OK... That would be AMAZING!
Pay to reserve and shipped when you have all the ones you want.
More trouble for Brian I guess, but just wonderful for international buyers.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: alparent on March 29, 2017, 05:03:57 PM
Organized and inventoried!

It may sound weird, but lucky you!
Organizing and inventorying is one of my favorite part of this hobby.  ;D
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: flanagan0718 on March 29, 2017, 05:09:01 PM
Organized and inventoried!

It may sound weird, but lucky you!
Organizing and inventorying is one of my favorite part of this hobby.  ;D

Not weird at all. It's one of my favorite parts too!


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Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: peAk on March 29, 2017, 05:11:20 PM
Exciting news

What does a 3008 chorus sound like compared to a 3007?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: chuckd666 on March 30, 2017, 12:42:51 AM
I'm not gonna fact check this but I think a 3007 chorus = CE2 and a 3008 chorus = CE3.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: chuckd666 on March 30, 2017, 12:45:42 AM
Duh I was wrong, CE3s use 3207s (I think, schematics are hazy and all this rain is making me woozy)
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: alparent on March 30, 2017, 04:19:35 AM
Organized and inventoried!

It may sound weird, but lucky you!
Organizing and inventorying is one of my favorite part of this hobby.  ;D

Not weird at all. It's one of my favorite parts too!


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Or maybe it is weird and your just as weird as me?  ???

Do we have an OCD "This is how I organize, inventory my stuff" thread?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on March 30, 2017, 06:31:56 AM
The VFE section of the forum is now available: http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?board=91.0

Nothing there yet but feel free to start posting questions there, too. My answers may be somewhat limited since I have not yet build all these projects, but I'll do the best I can.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jules on April 11, 2017, 02:32:02 AM
Ready when you are Madbean..
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on April 27, 2017, 08:51:32 AM
First time in a while making faceplates. For the AlphaDog, I decided to change up the position of the footswtich since I don't use batteries.

Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Adam_MD on April 27, 2017, 09:54:49 AM
They look great.  I've never made a faceplate is that etched on copper?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on April 27, 2017, 06:39:49 PM
They look great.  I've never made a faceplate is that etched on copper?

Yup, etched on black copper clad. After I took this pic I hit them with one coat of clear gloss. That prevents oxidation on the copper and also helps deepen the black some.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Ralfg on April 27, 2017, 06:50:44 PM
I predict a sudden increase in black copper clad sales.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jules on April 27, 2017, 09:32:23 PM
Looks great.
Will the VFE build docs go up when the Pcbs go on sale?
Thanks
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Adam_MD on April 27, 2017, 11:47:01 PM
They look great.  I've never made a faceplate is that etched on copper?

Yup, etched on black copper clad. After I took this pic I hit them with one coat of clear gloss. That prevents oxidation on the copper and also helps deepen the black some.

Excellent I really must try that at some point.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: alparent on April 28, 2017, 09:46:24 AM
Those face plates got me searching.

http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=20380.msg198891#msg198891 (http://www.madbeanpedals.com/forum/index.php?topic=20380.msg198891#msg198891)
WOW

Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on April 28, 2017, 04:47:59 PM
Pale Horse completed. I kludged one component on there (10uF NP).
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: somnif on April 28, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Is... is that an axial inductor on the switch board?
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on April 28, 2017, 05:35:39 PM
Correct. There's quite a bit going on in the switching board.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: BrianS on April 28, 2017, 08:09:33 PM
Looks really interesting.  Can't wait for these to go live.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Jules on April 29, 2017, 04:57:12 AM
Looks really interesting.  Can't wait for these to go live.
Shouldn't be long now...
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on April 29, 2017, 07:21:07 AM
Here's the Alpha Dog. For this one I moved the footswitch lower and did a wired DC Jack instead of PCB mounted. This is the method I prefer so I will probably do the rest of my builds this way.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Droogie on April 29, 2017, 11:35:46 AM
Looks great! Do these boards fit in a B box? Looks like 125B but not positive...
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Sarde on April 29, 2017, 02:01:02 PM
When are these going to go on sale? It says April 29th and I've been waiting all day and they are not up yet? I even checked at midnight last night; because I was so excited. Not complaining, I just have an itch for some new awesome builds.

-Sarde
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on April 29, 2017, 02:26:34 PM
I'm still working on the documentation but I'm more than half-way done. I'll do my best to get everything up by tonight but it may end up being tomorrow.
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: alanp on April 29, 2017, 04:09:28 PM
That ground pour is very distinctive :)

Although the faceplate is slightly mis-aligned, Brian :(
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: madbean on April 29, 2017, 06:19:22 PM
Although the faceplate is slightly mis-aligned, Brian :(

These are details I don't concern my self with :)
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: gordo on April 29, 2017, 07:07:32 PM
OK, this ~April 29th bit has got me tied in knots now that the anticipation of these boards is at fever pitch.  I flash back to when I missed out on the Laserwolf boards on their initial run and think how cool it was to get in on the second round.

I'll probably screw this one up too.

Anyway, the take away from all this is that I'm sitting on a turd load of pcb stock specifically to emulate the MB etched PCB faceplates and I realize that I haven't done squat to get up to speed on it.  Damn how time flies.

Nice job on that plate and I have a few boxes that I totally buggered up drilling that will be great donors for this approach.

Except I sit here hitting the refresh button :-)
Title: Re: VFE Update
Post by: Dv8r601 on April 29, 2017, 08:50:55 PM
I accidentally ordered 14 pieces of the .012 black fr4 clad sheets from abc fab and they are worthless for what I wanted them for so this has sparked an incredible idea. Thanks madbean, I always find useful info every time I go thru this forum.